Matt Araiza

[Fan in Chicago]

17 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said:

Happy to say I was absolutely on the right side of this issue, and the proof is in this thread - thanks for finding and posting.  I got absolutely blasted for it too, by some nut-job with serious mental issues - cant recall her handle / screen name.  Happy for Matt!

A look at the last few pages shows that a poster by name of @redtail hawk was clearly on the other side of the argument. 

[Motorin']

4 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

Astonishing how many people here concluded he was guilty without knowing anything, maybe reserve judgement next time.

 

He screwed himself over on two fronts. First by having sex in public with a young girl he just met, and then by failing to disclose to the NFL or the Bills that he had been questioned in an alleged rape case of an underage girl.

 

Incredibly poor judgement on his part in both instances. 

 

Had he not hooked up with some rando on the side of a house that turned out to be under the age of consent this never would have been a story. 

 

Had the Bills front office been up to speed about what Arzia knew were baseless accusations, they wouldn't have gotten caught with their proverbial pants down when the accusations went public. 

 

Moral of the story, don't hook up with strangers, minors, or in public. 

 

When accused of terrible things you didn't do while trying to break into a business where outside allegations can lead to termination, you better be upfront with your employer even if it's embarrassing and uncomfortable. 

 

 

[chongli]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

 

Moral of the story, don't hook up with strangers, minors, or in public. 

 

When accused of terrible things you didn't do while trying to break into a business where outside allegations can lead to termination, you better be upfront with your employer even if it's embarrassing and uncomfortable. 

 

 

And Beane needs to do better investigations. Apparently, at least two other teams knew of the allegations. Those teams should have some liability for not informing the NFL, so they could warn others.

[Doc]

Just now, chongli said:

And Beane needs to do better investigations. Apparently, at least two other teams knew of the allegations. Those teams should have some liability for not informing the NFL, so they could warn others.

 

They investigated and found the allegations had no merit.  It wasn't just luck that they came to the same conclusion the DA's office did.  They probably never figured the accuser would go through with the sham.

[Motorin']

Just now, Doc said:

 

They investigated and found the allegations had no merit.  It wasn't just luck that they came to the same conclusion the DA's office did.  They probably never figured the accuser would go through with the sham.

 

Not exactly. The Bills say they knew nothing about the allegations until the girls attorney contacted the Bills legal department long after the draft. I don't believe the Bills said they ever conducted a full investigation. 

[Udubalum07]

This one hits home.  One of my really close high school friends had to deal with this in a small town.  He and his family ended up moving due to false allegations.  

 

The thing that gets me is everyone knows his name, and doing some initial searches, i still can't find hers.  She shouldn't have any protection at this point.  What she did was awful and she should be held accountable. 

[muppy]

I hope Mr Araiza was smart enough to keep himself in good physical shape so he can be up to snuff when his next opportunity arises. For Araiza. 🙂

 

Im not trying to make light of his debacle. I cannot imagine how horrible it must have been to be accused of such a crime and be indeed innocent. 

 

If the  San Diego DA's office says he won' be charged to me that is vindication . What a traumatic event  he went through. From Bills draft pick to released.

 

That is a special kind of suck, nothing good about it. ZIPPO

Edited May 9, 2023 by muppy

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

I am not sure if anybody here on TBD accused him. I wasn't, buy many were going by an allegation that he admitted having sex with her, which is, by definition, statutory rape in California. I am still angry we let him go. It won't happen, but the fair thing would be for the NFL to award us a 5th 4th round comp pick in 2024.

also, to be fair, by California law he likely wouldn’t have been found guilty of statutory even if they slept together with her loudly declaring her age at a college party 

[BananaB]

Love to get this kid back. Never believed it for a second. Beane kept him around and cut Haack knowing about the situation. Once everything went public there really was no option but cut him. Maybe he made some good friends here during his short stay and would like another shot

[QCity]

Don't expect an apology from the shrieking Mafia Wives Club on Twitter. They've got their heads too far up their own assess.

[SCBills]

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

20 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

 

 

Most likely her parents have homeowner's insurance, which would cover this (I think).

 

I'd imagine a years lost salary of an NFL player projected as to impact over an entire career would exceed what many people have for homeowners liability coverage.

 

Wonder too does home owners liability cover cases where a person has broken law, in this case filing a false report?

[chongli]

Well...I give to over/under to this thread being shut down for not contributing positively to the community here 1.5 days.

[JoPoy88]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They investigated and found the allegations had no merit.  It wasn't just luck that they came to the same conclusion the DA's office did.  They probably never figured the accuser would go through with the sham.

One of the things that gave me pause initially and thought looked bad for Araiza was the fact that this accuser did do something that many actual rape victims unfortunately do not do - go in immediately (next day) and get a rape kit done. That, combined with all these prosecutor findings (which I do not doubt at all), just doesn’t add up to me, unless she was attempting some actual malicious s***.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I'd imagine a years lost salary of an NFL player projected as to impact over an entire career would exceed what many people have for homeowners liability coverage.

 

Wonder too does home owners liability cover cases where a person has broken law, in this case filing a false report?

It would probably go under liability, which most homeowners have a minimum of $100k .. 

 

Umbrella Policies can go into the millions. 
 

Edited May 9, 2023 by SCBills

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He's got proof he wasn't there at the time of the alleged gang rape.  Many cases don't have that.

Sounded like the DA basically said he didnt think there was a rape even. Girl was called out for a half dozen lies in that article, and theres no way DA says what he did if he thought there was any chance this was a rape. Hope she has to move and change her name. Dumbass did a disservice to matt and actual rape victims at same time. hope he takes her to the cleaners and takes 20% of her minimum wage job earnings the next 40years

[Billznut]

1 minute ago, chongli said:

Well...I give to over/under to this thread being shut down for not contributing positively to the community here 1.5 days.

It’ll get shut down because all the know it all’s from last summer don’t want this topic talked about now and they don’t want to look foolish if their old posts were dug up and reposted. That’s why it’ll most likely get shut down. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

The Bills should bring him in as a camp leg … at least he can put a body of work on tape for other punter openings around the league 

[Milanos Milano]

Now we lost a great talent for all you idiots that couldn’t let the legal process carry on. Guilty until proven innocent isn’t the proper method. 
To make the universe right, the NFL should give the Bills the 1st option to have him return. 

[chongli]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

 hope he takes her to the cleaners and takes 20% of her minimum wage job earnings the next 40years

 

I'm thinking she would declare bankruptcy in that case to get out of paying. Is that possible? 

Edited May 9, 2023 by chongli

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Unless she was on video… Looking sober enough

 

Talking about how she hooked up with a bunch of guys… Lots of videos at parties

 

If a woman accused me of rape I would want the hammer dropped

Classiest quote---

" I want you to f me, and if you dont f me, you are a (guessing another f-bomb of a diff variety)"

 

Walking around saying this to multiple men at the party. Please counter sue the pants off thischick

[Snappysnackcakes]

35 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Irvin was falsely accused of sexual assault in 1996:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Irvin

 

"Fabricated sexual assault allegation against Irvin"

 

[excerpt from wikipedia:]

"In 1996, as the Cowboys prepared to play the Carolina Panthers in the NFC Divisional Playoff game, media reports stated that Irvin and teammate Erik Williams, while under the influence of cocaine, had sexually assaulted a Dallas Cheerleader, Nina Shahravan, and, with a gun to her head, videotaped the interaction.

 

Despite Williams' and Irvin's denials of the allegations, the story largely overshadowed the game, which the Cowboys lost. The accuser was later proven to have fabricated the entire incident. She recanted her story, pled guilty to perjury and filing a false police report, and was sentenced to 90 days in jail and a fine.[16] In the game against Carolina, Irvin was injured in the opening minutes and did not return."

 

 

He overcame this and continued a successful career with the Cowboys for three more years and then went on to a successful career in sports broadcasting. So, so can Matt Araiza, hopefully with Buffalo. 

Explain to me why he’s indefinitely suspended from the NFL Network for speaking with a female in a hotel lobby? 

[chongli]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Now we lost a great talent for all you idiots that couldn’t let the legal process carry on. Guilty until proven innocent isn’t the proper method. 
To make the universe right, the NFL should give the Bills the 1st option to have him return. 

 

I agree...except Beane was the one who cut him (albeit under public pressure...he still might have anyway though).

Just now, Snappysnackcakes said:

Explain to me why he’s indefinitely suspended from the NFL Network for speaking with a female in a hotel lobby? 

 

I think it's standard, until the process plays out. I think it's with pay?

[Motorin']

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

Classiest quote---

" I want you to f me, and if you dont f me, you are a (guessing another f-bomb of a diff variety)"

 

Walking around saying this to multiple men at the party. Please counter sue the pants off thischick

 

Sounds like a completely unstable person that a future NFL star should stay far far away from. 

[chongli]

3 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

The Bills should bring him in as a camp leg … at least he can put a body of work on tape for other punter openings around the league 

 

Heck, if he outperforms Martin, he gets the job.

[Snappysnackcakes]

ESPN should do a 30 For 30 on this. The NY Times should follow. I’m just sick over this nonsense. I’m mad at myself, too. No more. 

[Nitro]

After my career in law enforcement, false allegations ruin the person accused but rarely the one who lied.  I hope this young man can bounce back and that stain on his character is erased.

[chongli]

6 minutes ago, Billznut said:

It’ll get shut down because all the know it all’s from last summer don’t want this topic talked about now and they don’t want to look foolish if their old posts were dug up and reposted. That’s why it’ll most likely get shut down. 

 

I agree for this reason. And it's become a witch hunt. And for a lot of political stuff being posted too.

Edited May 9, 2023 by chongli

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Now we lost a great talent for all you idiots that couldn’t let the legal process carry on. Guilty until proven innocent isn’t the proper method. 
To make the universe right, the NFL should give the Bills the 1st option to have him return. 

 
He was also signed for 4 yrs, a bit under $1M per year. 

Sam Martin is good.  We lucked out.  He’s at 3 yrs / 2M AAV. 

 

Not that it’s a huge difference,  but that’s an extra million per year on a cash strapped team. 

[CoudyBills]

Just now, chongli said:

 

I agree for this reason (it's become a witch hunt), and for a lot of political stuff being posted too.

God forbid those quick to judge have to deal with some of their own medicine.  Might do them some good.

[78thealltimegreat]

I feel terrible for the kid I saw it in my own life where a girl at work falsely accused her hubby of being abusive turns out she was using her coworkers as a buffer so she could sleep around on her husband hooking up with guys on fetish sites. 
His only real recourse is to sue the living daylights out of everyone involved as she clearly damaged this generational level punters chances of making a good living of a skill he has that few else do. 

Edited May 9, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[SCBills]

Just now, chongli said:

 

I agree for this reason (it's become a witch hunt), and for a lot of political stuff being posted too.

Politics were in play, but yes, should be avoided. 
 

As far as the witch hunt goes, just own up to it.  If you’re a Bills content creator who tore Arazia down, would it kill you to help clear his name?

[chongli]

4 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

ESPN should do a 30 For 30 on this. The NY Times should follow. I’m just sick over this nonsense. I’m mad at myself, too. No more. 

 

Yep, when Michael Irvin was vindicated in 1996 or 1997, he told the media repeatedly: "Don't lose the intensity! Don't lose the intensity! [when reporting this news]. He was indignant.

Edited May 9, 2023 by chongli

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 
He was also signed for 4 yrs, a bit under $1M per year. 

Sam Martin is good.  We lucked out.  He’s at 3 yrs / 2M AAV. 

 

Not that it’s a huge difference,  but that’s an extra million per year on a cash strapped team. 

I’m super mad now. I’d much rather have Araiza than Martin. If the NFL doesn’t give us Araiza back, than this is BS. 

[Process]

People saying bring him back. Imagine being him, would you want to come back to the team that cut you over something you didn't do?

 

I'm not blaming the Bills, they had to do it, it's the world we live in. 

 

Just a ***** situation. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It would probably go under liability, which most homeowners have a minimum of $100k .. 

 

Umbrella Policies can go into the millions. 
 

 

Agree if has umbrella coverage likely OK.  But still could argue,  Araiza by now would be in 2nd season of low paying rookie contract.  But would have received much higher 2nd contract 1 to now 2 years sooner which could be in multi million, may exceed umbrella coverage too?? Sam Martin is making $1.6 mil,  Araiza likely would have got much better 2nd contract.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

People saying bring him back. Imagine being him, would you want to come back to the team that cut you over something you didn't do?

 

I'm not blaming the Bills, they had to do it, it's the world we live in. 

 

Just a ***** situation. 

Frankly no, if I was Araiza and knew management couldn’t be with me during the worst of times, they don’t deserve me during the best of times. 
I blame crappy bills fans and McD/Beane for caving to a crazy world. 

Edited May 9, 2023 by IronMaidenBills

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Agree if has umbrella coverage likely OK.  But still could argue,  Araiza by now would be in 2nd season of low paying rookie contract.  But would have received much higher 2nd contract 1 to now 2 years sooner which could be in multi million, may exceed umbrella coverage too?? Sam Martin is making $1.6 mil,  Araiza likely would have got much better 2nd contract.

Agreed.   Argument would be lost earnings plus lost future earning potential.  
 

Unless they have a 2M+ Umbrella, should Arazia go that route and get a judgment, it could be bank account/asset evaluation time if he’s not willing to settle.  
 

Edited May 9, 2023 by SCBills

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Not exactly. The Bills say they knew nothing about the allegations until the girls attorney contacted the Bills legal department long after the draft. I don't believe the Bills said they ever conducted a full investigation. 

 

True but not hard to do an investigation in this case.  You need to establish that she lied about her age and that was easy enough to do.  Next you determine where he was when the festivities inside the house happened using geolocation of his cell phone.  Maybe with an assist from the SDPD.

[Chaos]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 
He was also signed for 4 yrs, a bit under $1M per year. 

Sam Martin is good.  We lucked out.  He’s at 3 yrs / 2M AAV. 

 

Not that it’s a huge difference,  but that’s an extra million per year on a cash strapped team. 

Bills own the decision to buckle under pressure and cut him. They own the consequences of their decision.