SCBills Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) Second DT domino falls. Edited May 4, 2023 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) As expected. I would have been surprised if they didn't extend him. Edited May 4, 2023 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 I have a hard time believing the Bills are willing to pay Oliver a similar type of contract. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 With Lawrence signed, Quinnen Williams is definitely going to want something between Simmons and Donald. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I have a hard time believing the Bills are willing to pay Oliver a similar type of contract. Yeah, there's no way they're giving him that kind of coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 If he has a good year, I’d guess Oliver would sign in the $17M/yr range. Just like Edmunds before him, I don’t see the Bills offering that kind of second contract. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, SCBills said: With Lawrence signed, Quinnen Williams is definitely going to want something between Simmons and Donald. Good go wreck the Jets salary cap 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Oliver not even worth half of that contract 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pete said: Good go wreck the Jets salary cap Paying great players doesn’t wreck salary caps. Paying mediocre players does. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Yeah, this is an outdated way to build a team in my opinion. Paying DTs to huge money. Not a business I want the Bills to be in. Of course there are exceptions, Chris Jones. To some degree I don’t know how much value there is in paying DEs to massive deals, verses keeping a young pipeline going on the defensive line. Quarterbacks are too smart, get rid of the ball too quickly, for these pass rushers to get there reliably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 No thanks, trade Oliver now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Let Oliver see the dollar signs that he can get as a free agent next season. Maybe that motivates him to have a career year. He then gets paid by someone else and the Bills get a comp pick. If he plays that well, it benefits the Bills this upcoming season and the comp pick benefits in the future. Alternatively, if the Bills think he's had a "breakthrough" season and he becomes Aaron Donald 2.0, they have the opportunity to pay him. If he doesn't play well, he gets moved out of the rotation and/or leaves quietly to sign a more modest deal elsewhere. In the meantime, trading him now won't yield more than a mid-round pick, so the better bet is to see what they can get out of him this year. As stated somewhere above, if he can be traded for another player who might be a better fit or asset to the team, then yes, trade him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) Saquon Barkley is more *responsible for that team's success than any DT. I don't get it. Edited May 4, 2023 by Chicken Boo 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: No thanks, trade Oliver now Yes. Then sign another free agent DT left on the market. We'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Boogie Basham counting the days till he gets bank….in the XFL 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: No thanks, trade Oliver now I dont get how this is still a thing people are saying. What exactly do you think you’re getting for him? What do you do about the gaping hole it leaves in a season where a Super Bowl is still a very real possibility and you already don’t have a mlb? The guy is not terrible, and he’s going to be performing for a big time contract. It’s very possible this is the hardest he ever plays. He’s on the last year of his deal, who’s trading away anything close the value he will bring to the team this season? Mind=boggled You know when all is said and done in the offseason the team has to play actual football games, right? Edited May 4, 2023 by Bobby Hooks 2 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: I have a hard time believing the Bills are willing to pay Oliver a similar type of contract. It's not happening and Oliver is smoking something if he thinks anyone else is going to give him that. 17 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: I dont get how this is still a thing people are saying. What exactly do you think you’re getting for him? What do you do about the gaping hole it leaves in a season where a Super Bowl is still a very real possibility and you already don’t have a mlb? The guy is not terrible, and he’s going to be performing for a big time contract. It’s very possible this is the hardest he ever plays. He’s on the last year of his deal, who’s trading away anything close the value he will bring to the team this season? Mind=boggled You know when all is said and done in the offseason the team has to play actual football games, right? I would only trade him for a major piece on offense like DHop to balance the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 31 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Boogie Basham counting the days till he gets bank….in the XFL Beanes round 2 and 3 draft picks have been atrocious. No gems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Oliver won't be signing for anything in Buffalo. You can't pay an undersized DT who's poor against the run and not a natural pass rusher. Listening to Greg Cosell, who puts in the work, refer to Oliver as a poor pass rusher was all I needed to hear. If another team wants to give him $12-16M a year, take the 4th round comp pick, admit you whiffed and move on. Next year the Bills will be looking for a solid DT in FA and perhaps yhe draft too. I'm fine with that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 I do consider this a premium position - but only worth paying elite guys. Aaron Donald and Chris Jones have won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls. I wish we had a Quentin Williams to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said: If he has a good year, I’d guess Oliver would sign in the $17M/yr range. Just like Edmunds before him, I don’t see the Bills offering that kind of second contract. Just keep the comp picks coming… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 By the way, I’ll bet big money Oliver ends up with Houston in 2024. Bad team. Tons of cap room. Oliver is from Houston. Yea you can lock that in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 It's a ton of money, but I don't think there's another 350 lb defensive tackle in the league who can stuff the run and rush the passer like Dexter Lawrence. Hopefully he doesn't phone it in like Albert Haynesworth and Marcel Dareus after they got paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said: It's a ton of money, but I don't think there's another 350 lb defensive tackle in the league who can stuff the run and rush the passer like Dexter Lawrence. Hopefully he doesn't phone it in like Albert Haynesworth and Marcel Dareus after they got paid. There are two names who would have immediately screamed Hall of Fame at you, if they only had the drive. I feel like it’s a sad waste of talent, but then it’s not my life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 hours ago, SCBills said: With Lawrence signed, Quinnen Williams is definitely going to want something between Simmons and Donald. Q Should demand a contract right behind Donald and Def above Simmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Boogie Basham counting the days till he gets bank….in the XFL The XFL's bank account is currently reading "$0.32" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Lawrence made the play that won them a playoff game. You pay game changing talents that affect the passing game like him 100% of the time and you don't think twice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) Man, Brandon Beane seriously missed on the Ed Oliver pick. Drafting busts in the top 10 should have consequences. Edited May 4, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: I do consider this a premium position - but only worth paying elite guys. Aaron Donald and Chris Jones have won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls. The did by doing enough to complement a solid offense in. Perhaps in Donald's case he did a bit more. Over the season they won SB, tbh I don't recall paying much attention to the Rams then or since. 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: I wish we had a Quentin Williams to pay. He may bolt to a contender like the Bills in FA you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Just keep the comp picks coming… Just keep the defensive 1st round misses coming. If you don’t want to re-sign your first round picks then you did something wrong. Edited May 5, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Man, Brandon Beane seriously missed on the Ed Oliver pick. Drafting busts in the top 10 should have consequences. He’ll never have another chance to draft in the top 10 at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Oliver not even worth half of that contract Or even a third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: By the way, I’ll bet big money Oliver ends up with Houston in 2024. Bad team. Tons of cap room. Oliver is from Houston. Yea you can lock that in. Well have no problem with moving on from him. There are vets that will want to have a good chance at a ring with the Bills. Don't know if he grew up as a Texans fan. Ìf so than good for him. I do hope he does at least play well as he gives them tape to wanting to sign him in FA. Just cause he's from the area won't guarantee they will want to pay him top dollar if he plays poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Saquon Barkley is more *responsible for that team's success than any DT. I don't get it. Can't say I know this is maybe part of the reason but I've always thought the Giants ownership leans towards a stout defense over offensive power. So they are willing to pay for top defenders in their system. I mean the SB teams that beat Brady won more because of defense than Eli being the QB. Yes he did enough to get the job done but Eli is usually not the first thought as to why those giants won those SBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Just keep the defensive 1st round misses coming. If you don’t want to re-sign your first round picks then you did something wrong. I guarantee we will be resigning Kincaid…5yrs/$100 mil when his rookie contract expires…he will be that good! 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Boogie Basham counting the days till he gets bank….in the XFL "GETS BANK", XFL style: As for the Giants, Gettleman will be back at minimum wage, making sure the cafeteria ladies don't overserve, and players don't filch granola bars. Edited May 5, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Man, Brandon Beane seriously missed on the Ed Oliver pick. Drafting busts in the top 10 should have consequences. I’m guessing 1st round DT next draft…👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 14 hours ago, SCBills said: With Lawrence signed, Quinnen Williams is definitely going to want something between Simmons and Donald. Which will then cause Chris Jones to want more from KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 14 hours ago, Big Blitz said: By the way, I’ll bet big money Oliver ends up with Houston in 2024. Bad team. Tons of cap room. Oliver is from Houston. Yea you can lock that in. I actually think Houston is going to turn it around really quick under Ryan’s and he’s not going to sign random guys he doesn’t think can play. Oliver will get a one year prove it deal somewhere if he plays this year like he has most of his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Saquon Barkley is more *responsible for that team's success than any DT. I don't get it. The difference between the best RBs and the middle-tier RBs isn't as great as the difference between the best DTs and the middle-tier DTs. In other words, it's much harder to replace the production of a great DT than that of a great RB. By way of example, you could argue that Aaron Donald is more responsible for his team's success than any RB they've had, and he might be more important to the Rams than Barkley is to the Giants. Donald, in his prime, was able to dominate and completely disrput his opponents' offense. Here's a quote from an article about the Rams' Super Bowl win (WAY back in February 2022): "In Super Bowl LVI against the Cincinnati Bengals, Donald had two sacks and three quarterback hits, including the game-sealing pressure play on fourth-and-1 with less than a minute remaining that resulted in an incompletion and the 23–20 win. He was ranked second by his fellow players on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2022." Finally, Barkely has been injured a lot. I can't speak for Lawrence, but perhaps he's not, and is always available. I don't know how good a player Lawrence is. I know he was great at Clemson, but he was also surrounded by great talent all around him, superior, in most cases, to his opponents' talent. I have not watched much Giants football to make a statement of his value. Obviously, the Giants think he has great value. Edited May 5, 2023 by msw2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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