RD 5, Pick 150: WR Justin Shorter, Florida

[Malazan]

Another shorter WR?! What are they thinking?!

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

He better hit because the defense is going to be horrible this year.  They need to score 30-35 ppg

Im actually optimistic about the D this year, excited to see McD call the plays

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

And that’s good enough for a fifth round pick at this moment imo. I have reservations when I hear about his hands, but I’m not saying this is a bad pick, it’s the fifth round. 

Agree. If we get a depth developmental receiver who can be active gameday as a special team gunner, that is a great 5th round pick. 

[JohninMinn.]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

3 of the first four Bills picks this year are 23+ years old.  It seems "young" is not a specific attribute the Bill are targeting. 

Bills got burned drafting Edmunds at 16yrs old.

[Warriorspikes51]

19.9 YPC last season.  
 

 

[Beck Water]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

How do you even figure that? We lost 1 impact defender. It's all about the D staying healthy. Our injuries were unlucky last year. We've been a perennial top 5 d under McD. Geez 

 

I could be wrong here, but I feel that Frazier's defense worked like clockwork - literally, clockwork where each player was a carefully crafted part and all 11 parts had to work perfectly together for the D as a whole to be effective.

 

I think it's very probable that with losing that 1 impact defender, we WILL see the D fall off, and it may be what it was in 2017 - maybe a middle-of-the-pack D that has to pick its poison more (stop the run, or stifle the pass)

 

But in 2017 we still won enough games to make the playoffs, so there's that.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

At 4.55 he's not going to out run anyone.

 

But at 6'5 maybe he can out leap the shorter 5'10 CBs for a jump ball

[Don Otreply]

26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Dezmin Lewis sends his regards!

Never heard of him…, 😂

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

1 hour ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

Should have traded down... why the reach???

 

because the Cowboys were going to take him…

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

At 4.55 he's not going to out run anyone.

 

But at 6'5 maybe he can out leap the shorter 5'10 CBs for a jump ball

He absolutely can.  He's a long striding build up speed deep threat.

[SirAndrew]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I could be wrong here, but I feel that Frazier's defense worked like clockwork - literally, clockwork where each player was a carefully crafted part and all 11 parts had to work perfectly together for the D as a whole to be effective.

 

I think it's very probable that with losing that 1 impact defender, we WILL see the D fall off, and it may be what it was in 2017 - maybe a middle-of-the-pack D that has to pick its poison more (stop the run, or stifle the pass)

 

But in 2017 we still won enough games to make the playoffs, so there's that.

Ironically, I liked the 2017 defense better than some of our more recent higher ranked defensive teams. They picked the right spots to be aggressive, and made game changing plays. That’s been lacking, and a defense that makes big plays is exactly what you need with a talented offense. You’re going to give up points in the league, but that playmaking ability is huge come playoff time, and we haven’t had it, regardless of defense rankings. 

[pennstate10]

Shorter came to PSU as a 5star, #1 WR recruit. 
Was injured, then disappointing when he played. Stiff, didn’t separate, dropped balls. 
I heard he was better at Florida, but didn’t see much of him when I watched them play. 
He’s still tall, so there’s that. 

[sven233]

3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

He better hit because the defense is going to be horrible this year.  They need to score 30-35 ppg

 

Outside of losing Edmunds, I'm not sure how you think the defense will be any worse than last year.  In fact, with Tre coming back at 100% (hopefully), Elam taking the next step after closing the year strong, Hyde coming back, Poyer no longer being held together by duct tape, and Von getting back early in the season, it sounds to me like the defense shouldn't see much of a drop off in talent.  If they can figure out MLB, they could even be better with guys coming back healthy.  Throw in the fact with Frazier gone that we should hopefully see less soft coverage and more of an aggressive style of defense, I don't think the defense will be a disaster at all.  

 

The fact is, defense doesn't matter as much in this league as it used to.  Look at the Super Bowl.  The Eagles set records for sacks and had one of the statistically best defenses in the league last year and they got boat raced in the Super Bowl and never even touched Mahomes.  Offenses are getting too good and if you want to win big in this league, you have to outscore people.  No matter how good your defense is, in the big games, you will have to probably put up 30-35 points to have a chance at winning no matter how good your defense is.  It's just super hard to play defense against the best teams in the league.

 

Yes, you can win a lot of games in this league with a good defense because there aren't a ton of explosive offenses yet, but the league is heading that way and you can see it.  But just because you can stop average offenses, doesn't mean much when you go up against the elite ones. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

22 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s fair, I didn’t have the stats, I’m just reading everywhere saying he had a problem with drops. 

Yeah, I think one or two guys said that, and everyone is taking it as truth.  I believe he had 6 drops in his college career, with only 1 in the last 2 seasons, and none last year. He actually has very good hands.  

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by buffaloboyinATL

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Gabe Davis replacement for the following year?

No,  future practice squad poach by Daboll…

[Maine-iac]

I wish multiple scouting reports didn't say he never played to his size.  I'm hoping our scouting dept. knows something.  Read several reports suggesting he move to TE.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

he looks more explosive and faster than his 40 time on tape

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

At 4.55 he's not going to out run anyone.

 

But at 6'5 maybe he can out leap the shorter 5'10 CBs for a jump ball

wrong.  19.9 YPC

Edited April 29, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Maine-iac]

Just now, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

No,  future practice squad poach by Daboll…

Daboll got Hyatt.  I know he was a favorite for many on here.

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

At 4.55 he's not going to out run anyone.

 

But at 6'5 maybe he can out leap the shorter 5'10 CBs for a jump ball

He definitely looks like you aren't going to rip a ball away from him.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

I wish multiple scouting reports didn't say he never played to his size.  I'm hoping our scouting dept. knows something.  Read several reports suggesting he move to TE.

just the typical lazy reports. The same ones that say he has a “drops” problem. 

[Bigantall]

1 hour ago, Srw1525 said:

He’s a reach. Has a history though of dropping balls. Time will tell.

How is he a reach at 5 quit trolling us dolphin, Jets  or Pats fan

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

He likely won’t make the 53. But could a position switch be in the cards???  There could be ability with a year on PS to transition into a pass catching Flex TE. 

Why do you think he won't make 53? If I am not mistaken our 5th rounds picks (almost?) always make roster, and right now he is WR6 with ST ability (which we tend to have every year IIRC, last year it was Kumerow).

 

Not saying he's a lock but I do expect him to make 53 right now.

[1ManRaid]

You know people are just upset at not getting "their guy" when they're calling a player who was graded as "good backup with the potential to be a starter" a reach in the fifth round or even that he would have gone undrafted.  Wild.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, No_Matter_What said:

Why do you think he won't make 53? If I am not mistaken our 5th rounds picks (almost?) always make roster, and right now he is WR6 with ST ability (which we tend to have every year IIRC, last year it was Kumerow).

 

Not saying he's a lock but I do expect him to make 53 right now.

I’d go a step further and say I expect him to be active on gameday at minimum ST and Redzone target.

 

if he looks strong at camp, he could push for the WR3 role…which is currently up for grabs

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

just the typical lazy reports. The same ones that say he has a “drops” problem. 

I actually didn't see many saying drops were a problem.  I did see conflicting reports (or at least confusing) that he runs routes well but then at the same time he comes from a spread offense and doesn't have much of a route tree.   So he runs 4 routes but runs them really well?  At least two reports suggested moving him to TE.

[ndirish1978]

This thread is hilarious. 90% of the posters admit they don't know the player but heard he drops passes so they it's a waste. Hey, maybe the scouting staff who had him in for a visit and gets paid for talent evaluations know a bit more than you as you wipe the cheeto dust of your keyboard while vehemently hating the pick before watching him at all. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, ndirish1978 said:

This thread is hilarious. 90% of the posters admit they don't know the player but heard he drops passes so they it's a waste. Hey, maybe the scouting staff who had him in for a visit and gets paid for talent evaluations know a bit more than you as you wipe the cheeto dust of your keyboard while vehemently hating the pick before watching him at all. 

This. I have no idea how anyone can hate taking a chance on a 6’4 230 WR who was the #1 WR 5 star recruit in 2018 above 3 WR’s who became elite in the NFL. 
 

Not to mention, he’s a smart kid who made the honor role at school, values his education and works his tail off to have a body that looks like DK Metcalf.

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

This thread is hilarious. 90% of the posters admit they don't know the player but heard he drops passes so they it's a waste. Hey, maybe the scouting staff who had him in for a visit and gets paid for talent evaluations know a bit more than you as you wipe the cheeto dust of your keyboard while vehemently hating the pick before watching him at all. 

 

 

No lie, cheetos are the reason why chopsticks were invented.

 

 

[1ManRaid]

10 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Shorter came to PSU as a 5star, #1 WR recruit. 
Was injured, then disappointing when he played. Stiff, didn’t separate, dropped balls. 
I heard he was better at Florida, but didn’t see much of him when I watched them play. 
He’s still tall, so there’s that. 

 

Injuries hampered his development.  We have a much better strength and conditioning team than he had in college and he won't be expected to be a star day 1.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Love this pick!!

 

I wanted a physically gifted wr. Either elite speed or elite size. This dude fits the bill. Not only is he 6’4” but h’s 230lbs so he’s got some bulk to him. Says he has long arms as well. 
 

This guy could definitely be a possible Davis replacement in 2024. 

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

This. I have no idea how anyone can hate taking a chance on a 6’4 230 WR who was the #1 WR 5 star recruit in 2018 above 3 WR’s who became elite in the NFL. 
 

Not to mention, he’s a smart kid who made the honor role at school, values his education and works his tail off to have a body that looks like DK Metcalf.

 

 

Because he wasn't my pick!!!!!

 

 

😂

[BillsSbSoon]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

3 of the first four Bills picks this year are 23+ years old.  It seems "young" is not a specific attribute the Bill are targeting. 

Yeah seems like they were specifically targeting seniors this year. At least in the first round beane has been going really young until now. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Was one of the top receivers in the nation coming out of high school and transferred from PSU to Fl…Had nearly 600 yards and missed 4 games with a Hammy hes worth a shot might be a practice squad kinda guy 

[notwoz]

40 minutes ago, T&C said:

Ha. I'd like to see how many people get that...

Nine essential Wayne Shorter songs

[Maine-iac]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

This. I have no idea how anyone can hate taking a chance on a 6’4 230 WR who was the #1 WR 5 star recruit in 2018 above 3 WR’s who became elite in the NFL. 
 

Not to mention, he’s a smart kid who made the honor role at school, values his education and works his tail off to have a body that looks like DK Metcalf.

 

 

If he was a lock to be playing in the NFL he wouldn't be a 5th round pick.  Not hating on the pick but outside of being huge he doesn't have a lot that would make you pick him over someone else.  That where our scouts come in ............ hopefully they know something and he's not James Hardy 2.0.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Wow. Antonio Johnson and Luke Wypler still out there. Teams must know something the public doesnt.

 

Eagles stacking players from UGA champ team. Bills stacking players from... Florida, oof. 🤣🤣

 

But at this point of the draft, sure, whatever they want to do.

I wouldn’t worry too much about that watch what CJ Stroud did to them. 

[NewEra]

Rocking the Biggie Smalls short in his media zoom interview. Gotta love it

[Dablitzkrieg]

25 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Outside of losing Edmunds, I'm not sure how you think the defense will be any worse than last year.  In fact, with Tre coming back at 100% (hopefully), Elam taking the next step after closing the year strong, Hyde coming back, Poyer no longer being held together by duct tape, and Von getting back early in the season, it sounds to me like the defense shouldn't see much of a drop off in talent.  If they can figure out MLB, they could even be better with guys coming back healthy.  Throw in the fact with Frazier gone that we should hopefully see less soft coverage and more of an aggressive style of defense, I don't think the defense will be a disaster at all.  

 

The fact is, defense doesn't matter as much in this league as it used to.  Look at the Super Bowl.  The Eagles set records for sacks and had one of the statistically best defenses in the league last year and they got boat raced in the Super Bowl and never even touched Mahomes.  Offenses are getting too good and if you want to win big in this league, you have to outscore people.  No matter how good your defense is, in the big games, you will have to probably put up 30-35 points to have a chance at winning no matter how good your defense is.  It's just super hard to play defense against the best teams in the league.

 

Yes, you can win a lot of games in this league with a good defense because there aren't a ton of explosive offenses yet, but the league is heading that way and you can see it.  But just because you can stop average offenses, doesn't mean much when you go up against the elite ones. 

Smallest LB Corp in league, poor pass rush and overall poor front 7.  They won't get off the field on 3rd down and they are slow.  They haven't upgraded anywhere on defense.  Not physical enough.

33 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

How do you even figure that? We lost 1 impact defender. It's all about the D staying healthy. Our injuries were unlucky last year. We've been a perennial top 5 d under McD. Geez 

I'm not confident in the front 7 outside of Milano at all.  They are not physical at all

Edited April 29, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, Srw1525 said:

He’s a reach. Has a history though of dropping balls. Time will tell.

 

Drops an average of 1 out of every 20 catchable balls. Not a reach in the 5th round.

[sven233]

4 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Smallest LB Corp in league, poor pass rush and overall poor front 7.  They won't get ouch the field on 3rd down and they are slow

 

Again.....only Edmunds different in the LB corps.  Same d line coming back with the younger guys having another year of experience and a couple of them playing in contract years which should lead to them providing their max effort.  I don't see any difference from what we have had on the field the last couple years except for Edmunds.

Edited April 29, 2023 by sven233