frostbitmic Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: I want a giant, mountain of a DT 330 lbs is ok, but 340+ is ideal. Then Siaki Ika out of Baylor is for you ... 6'4" 358 ... He might be as wide as he is tall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Three options 1. Trade Oliver for a 2nd and draft another DT. They don't have the draft capital to spend on a DT at this point. 2. Sign Wagner to play MLB. Keep Oliver on the 5th year. Burn one of your draft picks on a DT. 3. Assuming no veteran MLB is signed, bring back Phillips or some other journeyman for the 4th DT and let Oliver play out his contract like they did with Edmunds. Draft a LB this year to replace Edmunds and draft DT in 2024. Only one of the first 4 picks should be used for defense. 3b. Trade out of the first round and get two day 2 picks. This allows you to get MLB, DT, WR, OT, C/G in the first four rounds in no particular order. lol nobody going to give up a 2nd for Ed Oliver. If they do that teams GM should be fired on the spot. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Mazi Smith.😉 Love the guy, but this board would get Rosen'd if we did that. 3 hours ago, mrags said: Because he loves his team and is sick of them making terrible decisions that cost us games when we should be and could be better? He does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I suspect it's somewhat along the lines of sign some DT. If they aren't top 5 in their position B word about how they suck the entire year and blame the organization in every way possible? Sort of like today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Get max production out of Oliver in his contract year, especially with Jones next to him. Jones will be extended for sure and Settle is already extended I believe. So they'll have at lease Jones and Settle for 2024. If Jordan Phillips is fully recovered from his shoulder injury , I expect him to be signed to replace Oliver, who will leave after this season for sure. So they need another DT for 2024, they have several internal players to pick from, plus the upcoming draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Get max production out of Oliver in his contract year, especially with Jones next to him. Jones will be extended for sure and Settle is already extended I believe. So they'll have at lease Jones and Settle for 2024. If Jordan Phillips is fully recovered from his shoulder injury , I expect him to be signed to replace Oliver, who will leave after this season for sure. So they need another DT for 2024, they have several internal players to pick from, plus the upcoming draft. A fully healthy J. Phillips is far and away the best DT on this team. I'd prefer him next to Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: lol nobody going to give up a 2nd for Ed Oliver. If they do that teams GM should be fired on the spot. QUICK! Somebody call the Browns! You never know with those Browns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: lol nobody going to give up a 2nd for Ed Oliver. If they do that teams GM should be fired on the spot. Detroit has 2 2nd rounders and 48 would put us ahead of the Steelers. Texans have 2 3rds....ya never know, plus we could throw in a conditional 2024 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 8 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year. Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys. So not one guy under contract for 2024. I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is. They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out. Thoughts? What's the plan at DT? I'm more worried about our MLB situation. We have no one there ready to play at least near the level of Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I like Jones a lot, but I doubt they exercise Oliver's 5th year option, so I suspect they'll be looking for a 3-Tech in the draft. Unfortunately, our OL is a mess and we need help at WR. There's also a big hole in the middle of this defense. All of these shortcomings outweigh the immediate need for a DT. Maybe we draft DT and DE on day 3 this year. What we do in 2024 besides wave goodbye to Oliver when some team overpays him is anyone's guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 8 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year. Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys. So not one guy under contract for 2024. I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is. They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out. Thoughts? If Jones plays the way he did last season, my guess is that he re-signs at some point next year before Free Agency - if not sooner. The rest is up in the air. Oliver will not be re-signed. The Bills would be wise to trade him to for a mid round draft pick to get the $10M off the books and then either make a trade or sign a FA like Poona. Mark it down…I will not be shocked to see the Bills draft DT and LB in rounds 1 and 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 56 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Then Siaki Ika out of Baylor is for you ... 6'4" 358 ... He might be as wide as he is tall. NOW we're talking! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: lol nobody going to give up a 2nd for Ed Oliver. If they do that teams GM should be fired on the spot. True....a 3rd round pick is probably the highest we'd get. I think we're kind of screwed and are going to just ride out Ed and Gabe's final "contract" year. Maybe by some act of God they both play out of their minds and we go to a SB. Or they both play like they always have and we wave goodbye in FA. I doubt anyone's giving us a 3rd for either. Edited March 22, 2023 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, nosejob said: A fully healthy J. Phillips is far and away the best DT on this team. I'd prefer him next to Ed. Yes the issue with Phillips is can a 6'6' 350 lb guy manage to stay healthy. By the way JP is a quick, rush the passer, gap shooting 3 tech, which means he is a replacement for Oliver, not a guy who plays next to him. Phillips needs a run stuffer kind of 1 tech DT with him to hold up against the run. You rarely see Oliver and JP on the field at the same time. I know, its weird a guy at JP's size is a 3 tech but he is that freaky of an athlete... now can he be healthy? that is the question. They'll examine him and see where the shoulder is and go from there. 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: True....a 3rd round pick is probably the highest we'd get. I think we're kind of screwed and are going to just ride out Ed and Gabe's final "contract" year. Maybe by some act of God they both play out of their minds and we go to a SB. Or they both play like they always have and we wave goodbye in FA. I doubt anyone's giving us a 3rd for either. I really think Beane intends to get a great season out of Oliver in his contract year, just like he did Edmunds, and hopefully he is a part of a SB run this coming season. Then you make him a contract offer you are comfortable with but in all likelihood he gets more from somewhere else... or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, nosejob said: A fully healthy J. Phillips is far and away the best DT on this team. I'd prefer him next to Ed. Philips plays 3T like Ed as Philips can not hold up to double team blocks as a 1T. These two can be in on pass rush downs and be effective 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Jordan Phillips lined up next to our new 350+ pound rookie from Baylor? amazing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 49 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: What's the plan at DT? I'm more worried about our MLB situation. We have no one there ready to play at least near the level of Edmunds. Well then go blab away in the MLB thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Love the guy, but this board would get Rosen'd if we did that. The meltdown would be EPIC!! I hope it happens just to see some posters reactions. 😱😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 It wouldn't surprise me if they were thinking Basham could slide inside on passing downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: What's the plan at DT? I'm more worried about our MLB situation. We have no one there ready to play at least near the level of Edmunds. But, But, Edmunds sucked, anyone would be better. No instincts, bad against the run and can't make any splash plays. We should be able to sign someone off the street that's better. I've read it here for years now... Sarcasm off.😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: But, But, Edmunds sucked, anyone would be better. No instincts, bad against the run and can't make any splash plays. We should be able to sign someone off the street that's better. I've read it here for years now... Sarcasm off.😉 I get the sarcasm and the mixed feelings on Edmunds but how do you let a borderline pro bowler walk without an incumbent in training or FA acquisition in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I get the sarcasm and the mixed feelings on Edmunds but how do you let a borderline pro bowler walk without an incumbent in training or FA acquisition in place? I liked Edmunds, just the money didn't work. Only thing I can think of is a defensive scheme change or they have someone they are going to go after in the draft.🤷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 I think a lot depends on how they replace Edmunds. I hope they don't take a DT in the draft before the 3-4 RD. I still think our current guys can work. DaQuan Jones obviously is a keeper. Settle didn't have a great year but he was very good in Washington so hopefully he can bounce back, Phillips for a reasonable price is a pretty good player. He's getting older so they might have limit his snaps. Brandin Byant is still a young & hasn't been too bad in the few games that he played in. Eli Ankou is still listed on the roster. I think he's played in a few games but I don't know much about him. He's good size but maybe he's just a JAG. If they can sign another DT in free agency at a reasonable price, I'm all for that. Opps---forgot about Oliver. I'm ok with trading Ed for cap reasons but I don't think we'll get more than a 4th which is ok with me to dump salary. Maybe we could trade him for another player. Cue the Carolina pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: I liked Edmunds, just the money didn't work. Only thing I can think of is a defensive scheme change or they have someone they are going to go after in the draft.🤷 There are all sorts of guys they can replace him with. You don't have to believe me, just wait a while. Our defense will miraculously look about the same with someone else in Edmunds' place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I get the sarcasm and the mixed feelings on Edmunds but how do you let a borderline pro bowler walk without an incumbent in training or FA acquisition in place? Happens all the time to the best teams. Seattle let Wagner walk. Jets let Revis go. Bills let Gilmore go. Endless examples. You just have to rebuild. 2 hours ago, GolfandBills said: lol nobody going to give up a 2nd for Ed Oliver. If they do that teams GM should be fired on the spot. Probably so. Then he is better to keep one more year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: There are all sorts of guys they can replace him with. You don't have to believe me, just wait a while. Our defense will miraculously look about the same with someone else in Edmunds' place. I'll wait 36 days, but Not a day longer.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 51 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: But, But, Edmunds sucked, anyone would be better. No instincts, bad against the run and can't make any splash plays. We should be able to sign someone off the street that's better. I've read it here for years now... Sarcasm off.😉 Almost correct. He didn't suck but he was bad against the run and didn't make any plays. The best you could say is maybe he made a difference in the pass game. For years we heard Edmunds defenders say how important he was. Well now look a defensive minded HC just let him walk. Maybe just maybe we hearty few that called out his bad play for years were correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Every position on an NFL team is important. But other than Aaron Donald, is there a single DT in the NFL, that in the week leading up to playing that team fans (or coaches) are discussing "how are we going to handle that guy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: Every position on an NFL team is important. But other than Aaron Donald, is there a single DT in the NFL, that in the week leading up to playing that team fans (or coaches) are discussing "how are we going to handle that guy"? Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Almost correct. He didn't suck but he was bad against the run and didn't make any plays. The best you could say is maybe he made a difference in the pass game. For years we heard Edmunds defenders say how important he was. Well now look a defensive minded HC just let him walk. Maybe just maybe we hearty few that called out his bad play for years were correct! Sometimes it's just a business decision. I don't think he was nearly as bad as the "hearty few" say he was. I'll reserve final judgment until I know who takes his place and see how they do in the McD scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 hours ago, mrags said: Because he loves his team and is sick of them making terrible decisions that cost us games when we should be and could be better? Have you ever, even once read a positive remark by him, that isn’t couched with a back handed comment? Hell, I comment about the coaching and player short comings, regularly, but I am not a non stop whiny so and so for a decade plus, there is a difference between critiques, and endless doom and gloom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Every position on an NFL team is important. But other than Aaron Donald, is there a single DT in the NFL, that in the week leading up to playing that team fans (or coaches) are discussing "how are we going to handle that guy"? Ten guy. Giants guy. chris jones cam heyward Fletcher cox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yep…I read it. The Bills will rebuild the DT position in free agency and the draft, NEXT year. They’re going to sit tight THIS year. Too many holes to fill this year to dwell on next year’s problems. Most likely. Of course, if some guy is sticking out on their board Day 3, they should pick him. But that would go for more than just the DT position. The future of this team is going to be year to year, just like every other team with an expensive core already set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Have you ever, even once read a positive remark by him, that isn’t couched with a back handed comment? Hell, I comment about the coaching and player short comings, regularly, but I am not a non stop whiny so and so for a decade plus, there is a difference between critiques, and endless doom and gloom. Technically he’s not wrong. Things have never gone our way. He’s just being realistic. but honestly, I couldn’t remember a single post anyone here makes. I have a memory for this place like 10 second Tom. Once I move on down the screen it’s already a distant memory. That goes for who posts what too. It takes a lot for me to remember any of you on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year. Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys. So not one guy under contract for 2024. I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is. They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out. Thoughts? Beane has said that he likes to work on contract extensions after FA and the draft. I expect after the draft they’ll work on extending Jones. Oliver is a bit of a mystery to me. I think he believes he should be paid full-time like a top DT, while playing like one part-time. Beane talked as though extending Oliver and Davis would be something the team was saving for in letting Edmunds go. Many have expressed concern that paying Oliver top-dollar on a new contract would be a mistake., I don’t know what the answer is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Every position on an NFL team is important. But other than Aaron Donald, is there a single DT in the NFL, that in the week leading up to playing that team fans (or coaches) are discussing "how are we going to handle that guy"? Off the top of my head and in no particular order: Q (Quinnen Williams) with the Jets Chris Jones with KC Daron Payne with Washingon Javon Hargrove, was with Philly (now with SF? Fletcher Cox with Philly (maybe more a few years ago than now) DJ Reader with Bengals (has struggled with injuries 2 of the last 3 seasons, but when healthy) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I think the 1-tech is arguably more important that the 3 for the type of off-the-ball coverage type LBs McDermott prefers. When opposing guards get their hands on our LB's it's not a good matchup. I look at Jones and see someone who doesn't get redirected easily, foils plans, and does at least average at owning his interior gaps. The 1-techs who can push a guy back contribute to the pass rush in their own less-flashy way. Maybe I'm just a relic and like boring things but hearing about the endless slew of marginal 3-tech prospects with two NCAA level pass rush moves that "could play 1 tech if needed" doesn't excite me. Bills in a much better position this year than last when they had no answer at 1-tech, but I'd like to see them draft a young Jones clone this year or next. (Jones was a 4th round pick) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Oliver will be in his last year Defensive tackles in free agency this year are making a killing We will probably extend our other DT but he’s getting older What exactly would you suggest that we do? I'm guessing we keep Oliver, myself. But certainly he might go. I think we're also more likely than many think to grab at least one DT in the early to mid-rounds. And yeah, I'm all in on extending Da'Quan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Looks like we will be running the ever controversial 2-5 defensive. A Coach Jauron special from the drought era! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: There are all sorts of guys they can replace him with. You don't have to believe me, just wait a while. Our defense will miraculously look about the same with someone else in Edmunds' place. Possible, I guess, but I doubt it myself. Most have not really noticed how few passes across the middle we've dealt with for so long, and how important that has been as a key to success. That's very likely to not look as good this year. If we pick a 1st round MLB, maybe things won't be too much worse there, but we have several needs that could be addressed in the first. Several of them aren't going to be addressed. 39 minutes ago, In Summary said: I think the 1-tech is arguably more important that the 3 for the type of off-the-ball coverage type LBs McDermott prefers. When opposing guards get their hands on our LB's it's not a good matchup. I look at Jones and see someone who doesn't get redirected easily, foils plans, and does at least average at owning his interior gaps. The 1-techs who can push a guy back contribute to the pass rush in their own less-flashy way. Maybe I'm just a relic and like boring things but hearing about the endless slew of marginal 3-tech prospects with two NCAA level pass rush moves that "could play 1 tech if needed" doesn't excite me. Bills in a much better position this year than last when they had no answer at 1-tech, but I'd like to see them draft a young Jones clone this year or next. (Jones was a 4th round pick) You're talking my language here. Preach on!! Edited March 23, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.