Players in the Recent Past & Present That You Felt Didn't Deserve a Roster Spot .

[T master]

I know we all have our favorite players that the team & the entire NFL see as the best players on the team or in the league but who are some of the players that we think have not been productive enough to justify the Bills keeping them on the roster .

 

I know us as Bills fans have no problem with displaying their feelings as far as those that need to be fired or just like to complain about things when it comes to the Bills players, coaches & front office personal so here's another chance to put it down .

 

I had a huge problem with Moss from his draft day i thought it was a wrong pick for what he was suppose to bring to the team & was glad to see that they got something for him rather than just releasing him or letting him walk .

 

I feel the same about Mckenzie i think he has showed his ceiling as far as what he can give which doesn't justify the spot on the roster & think there are others out there that can contribute more if given the chance which one i thought could be Hodgins if given Mckenzie's reps .

 

Last i feel Oliver has although shown he is a average good player hasn't lived up to his draft status & hope they can trade him hopes of getting something for him because i feel what he will ask for his next contract if he stays with the Bills will be much more than what he's worth .

 

Okay your turn who do you think hasn't been worth the Bills investing time in past or present . This is just a post to pass the time .

[SCBills]

Currently:

 

Mckenzie

 

I'm actually fine with McKenzie as a WR5 or WR6, but our WR6 seems to need to be able to play ST's, and if he's our WR5, that means we are rolling with Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Harty as the Top 4... and that's not ideal.   Not sure I see why he hasn't been cut yet, unless they want to make sure Harty can make it out of camp healthy. 

 

Oliver

 

Oliver is the elephant in the room.  Everyone sees it.  Decent player, can be extremely disruptive if he has talent around him and he's healthy.  Unfortunately, if any of that doesn't happen, he's a JAG.  That 10M cap hit has got to go... everyone sees it, except - apparently - our FO.    Nevermind the fact we have zero DT's under contract for '24, so nothing about how we're addressing the DT room at the moment really makes much sense.  

 

Basham

 

Just because we used a RD2 pick on him doesn't mean we need to keep him on this roster.  Nobody really liked the pick the night it happened, and they've been proven correct.  We likely keep him because he's cheap, and maybe, maybe, he makes a jump... but signs aren't promising.  Von may enter the season on the PUP list and unless Rousseau makes a huge jump, our pass rush being dependent upon Epenesa/Basham being his sidekicks for the beginning of the season isn't scaring anyone.  

 

Neal

 

3M cap hit for a guy who is a liability if Taron Johnson misses time.   Special Teams Ace + Matakevich = 5M for those two.  If Beane wasn't missing on Day 2 picks all over the place, sure, luxury spends... but that 5M is a first year cap hit for another IOL to compete with Bates.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Basically every short yardage back we've had in the McBeane era. Michael Tolbert, Frank Gore, and Zack Moss. 

[BarleyNY]

Star 

[Jim]

My answer is Tommy Sweeney every day of the week. What exactly has he ever contributed to the team outside of being friends with Josh Allen and Dawson Knox? I feel like the only time we ever see him lately is if he’s sitting at a Sabres game with the guys who actually play a role on the team.

[Fan in Chicago]

23 minutes ago, T master said:

I know we all have our favorite players that the team & the entire NFL see as the best players on the team or in the league but who are some of the players that we think have not been productive enough to justify the Bills keeping them on the roster .

 

SDS hasnt signed up for enough capacity on this forum to handle such a list

[MrEpsYtown]

I hated Preston Brown and Keith Ellison. Like so much. 

 

And the A-Train and Lionel Gates over Fred Jackson. 

[BarleyNY]

Just now, Jim said:

My answer is Tommy Sweeney every day of the week. What exactly has he ever contributed to the team outside of being friends with Josh Allen and Dawson Knox? I feel like the only time we ever see him lately is if he’s sitting at a Sabres game with the guys who actually play a role on the team.

Absolutely. I came back to edit my post to add Sweeney. At least he didn’t rob the Bills while doing nothing like Kroft did. I’d add him too. 

[Virgil]

Chris Watson........

Kelsay

Edited March 16, 2023 by Virgil

[mrags]

Players that didn’t/don’t deserve a roster spot:

no matter what the contract is:

Matakevich

Kumerow

Taiwan Jones

 

that are extremely overpaid for being average at best:

Epenessa

Singletary

Can Lewis

Siran Neal

McKenzie

 

guys that are a little better than average but are being payed way too much:

OLIVER

 

guys that are pretty good but are being extremely overpaid:

Dawkins

 

 

 

 

[BBFL]

5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I hated Preston Brown and Keith Ellison. Like so much. 

 

And the A-Train and Lionel Gates over Fred Jackson. 

That few years of LBs had so much potential. The Browns. Bradham. Kiko. Brandon Spikes. Manny Lawson. Keith Rivers. Arthur Moats. 
 

Oooof. 

[Slack_in_MA]

Jacob Bryson

 

Oops, sorry… wrong board.

[since79]

Petterman, anyone?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Sweeney

Doyle

Gilliam

Two of these three Jones/Matakevich/Kumerow

[Buffalo Boy]

Kelvin Benjamin 

*** sack of ***

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, mrags said:

Players that didn’t/don’t deserve a roster spot:

no matter what the contract is:

Matakevich

Kumerow

Taiwan Jones

 

that are extremely overpaid for being average at best:

Epenessa

Singletary

Can Lewis

Siran Neal

McKenzie

 

guys that are a little better than average but are being payed way too much:

OLIVER

 

guys that are pretty good but are being extremely overpaid:

Dawkins

 

 

 

 

 

McKenzie has made 5.9 million over 5 seasons with the Bills. In 2023, he would account for under 8% of the total WR annual salary for the team. For that money last year, he accounted for 20% of the TDs scored by WRs, 24% of targets and 19% of catches.

 

That's "extremely overpaid"?

[The Frankish Reich]

24 minutes ago, Jim said:

My answer is Tommy Sweeney every day of the week. What exactly has he ever contributed to the team outside of being friends with Josh Allen and Dawson Knox? I feel like the only time we ever see him lately is if he’s sitting at a Sabres game with the guys who actually play a role on the team.

True. What does he do well? I mean, if he was a Special Teams beast like Matakevich I'd get it. TE has been a position where we really need depth, and instead we've been sticking with Tommy Boy. Nothing personal against him. He's just not an NFL player.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

24 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I hated Preston Brown and Keith Ellison. Like so much. 

 

And the A-Train and Lionel Gates over Fred Jackson. 

Ugh Ellison was the second worst. Maybin

[Low Positive]

Josh Allen. 40 million just to overthrow Diggs on the opening drive of a playoff game? Andy Dalton could have done that for 8 million. 

[Ray Finkel]

Tolbert

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

McKittrick.  I can't even find trace of this guy. 🤔

[BBFL]

Past players?

Toss up between 3: McCargo / Mike Williams / Maybin

The experiment of these 3 panning out lasted too long. Especially before the wage scaling was a thing. 

 

Currently?

It’s really a pricing issue. Matakevich, Siran Neal & Taiwan Jones. There’s a few others that people can list but when they’re making as much/more than some of the underperforming likes of McKenzie, Basham & Epenesa that people have an issue with whilst exclusively playing STs… Yeah. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by BBFL

[That's No Moon]

Taiwan Jones. Both times.

[BBFL]

10 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Josh Allen. 40 million just to overthrow Diggs on the opening drive of a playoff game? Andy Dalton could have done that for 8 million. 

Current Andy Dalton wouldn’t have us in that playoff game. 🤷‍♂️

[mrags]

29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

McKenzie has made 5.9 million over 5 seasons with the Bills. In 2023, he would account for under 8% of the total WR annual salary for the team. For that money last year, he accounted for 20% of the TDs scored by WRs, 24% of targets and 19% of catches.

 

That's "extremely overpaid"?

Yes. Because he’s terrible and doesn’t deserve to be on the team. He didn’t win the slot job unquestionably even though they practically handed it to him. He botched quite a few plays that could have really made his presence felt but he failed. 
 

if you made an argument that he’s at best our 4th Wr I could accept it. But I’m not looking to utilize him over Diggs, Davis, or even Shakir. Of Beasley comes back he will be in play as our slot again. 
 

id argue that any rookie drafted prior to the 4th round should absolutely be used more than McKenzie should. He’s a gadget role player at best and for that, I’d argue that he is extremely overpaid. 

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yes. Because he’s terrible and doesn’t deserve to be on the team. He didn’t win the slot job unquestionably even though they practically handed it to him. He botched quite a few plays that could have really made his presence felt but he failed. 
 

if you made an argument that he’s at best our 4th Wr I could accept it. But I’m not looking to utilize him over Diggs, Davis, or even Shakir. Of Beasley comes back he will be in play as our slot again. 
 

id argue that any rookie drafted prior to the 4th round should absolutely be used more than McKenzie should. He’s a gadget role player at best and for that, I’d argue that he is extremely overpaid. 

 

Who is going to utilize their WR3/4 over their 1/2?  Makes no sense.  

 

He's not "terrible".  I described his contribution and what very little it cost the Bills in cash.  His output is  clearly disproportionate to his salary.

 

And....in the face of this, you staked out a very weak and tired take and  now you are doubling down with nothing but "he's terrible" and that he didn't beat out (somebody) for the slot job.  Then you threw in the corpse of Beasley for some reason and added Shakir, who caught 50% of his targets for 161 yards on 275 snaps as guys who were better last season. 

 

Very persuasive.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Who is going to utilize their WR3/4 over their 1/2?  Makes no sense.  

 

He's not "terrible".  I described his contribution and what very little it cost the Bills in cash.  His output is  clearly disproportionate to his salary.

 

And....in the face of this, you staked out a very weak and tired take and  now you are doubling down with nothing but "he's terrible" and that he didn't beat out (somebody) for the slot job.  Then you threw in the corpse of Beasley for some reason and added Shakir, who caught 50% of his targets for 161 yards on 275 snaps as guys who were better last season. 

 

Very persuasive.

McKenzie sucks and doesn’t belong on this roster making why he’s making. There’s my argument. I’m done 

[teef]

This ***** place. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

McKenzie sucks and doesn’t belong on this roster making why he’s making. There’s my argument. I’m done 

 

which one are you?

 

[mrags]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

which one are you?

 

I’m the one that doesn’t think McKenzie is good. 

[Sweet Lou]

IMO these guys didn't deserve roster spots due to their built-in, lame ass, constant excuses!

Trent Edwards (I don't understand why I check down on almost every play, I gotta look at the tape!)

Rob Johnson (I don't understand why they blitz on almost every play, but I'm getting sacked an awlful lot!)

EJ Manuel (I don't understand the playbook, can you draw it in the dirt?  According to my GM, I have big hands and I have that "It" factor)

[TBBills Fan]

Aaron Maybin

[Freddie's Dead]

Pat "breasts on a Bull" DiMarco.

[transient]

Torell McCargo… or was it John Troup… you know, the highly drafted DT that never played because he was always injured. 

 

[Yantha]

Rob Johnson

[I'm Spartacus]

Jerry Crafts "The Condo"

[HOUSE]

Every player that dropped a ball or missed a tackle...

 

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Edited March 16, 2023 by HOUSE

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Taiwan Jones. Both times.

the problem isn’t even him on the roster. It’s that he takes up a gameday spot and isn’t even all that good as a ST gunner anymore. 

[The Wiz]

Marquis Goodwin.  He couldn't track an Amazon package online let alone a ball in the air.

Edited March 16, 2023 by The Wiz

[Rico]

Brain Dead Drew Bledsoe

OT Mike "Puddinhead' Williams

and the Anderson brothers:

Big Bad Bennie &

Tiny Tim