Arkady Renko Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 There's Chan's waterbug! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I was impressed by the videos that I found of him. Instant acceleration. I would guess that this takes small slot-only receivers like Josh Downs, Tank Dell and maybe Zay Flowers out of play in the draft. Would still be nice to get someone to push Gabe Davis for snaps, but I think OL, S and LB are top priorities now pending other moves. Yeah, looks like it might move the midget WRs down our list. Rice, Reed, Tillman, Hutchinson, Mingo, Iosivas, wicks, Boutte, Palmer, Wilson, Perry, Nacua and Demus seem like good fits in rds 2-6. I’m feeling a trade down in rd 1 unless Johnston or addison are there. If we can’t trade out, Darnell Wright makes the most sense followed by Broderick Jones and dawand Jones. Brian Branch, Antonio Johnson, sanders, Simpson and Campbell are possible picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: If Harty replaces McKenzie, he will be the only Bills WR under 6 foot. If Harty is on the roster with McKenzie Gabe Davis is the only receiver taller than 6’1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 Took less to come here. per reports 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Success said: For what it's worth, Saints fans seemed to love this guy when healthy (at least that's what I've seen so far). I think this actually takes WR off the table for the 1st few rounds, which isn't a bad thing. Shakir can compete for WR2, and I think they still have some faith Davis can get back to the potential we saw in '21. That would be a mistake. Bills aren’t serious if their plan for Josh Allen is to hope a small guy who was hurt all last season stays healthy this season and Davis/Shakir both make the needed jumps to fill WR2 and WR3. They all could … but hope isn’t a strategy. Edited March 15, 2023 by SCBills 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: He has more single season highlights than McKettrick has career highlights! Buh-bye, lil filthy Watching the highlights earlier, he looks like a real WR to me. He's not just a track guy who doesn't have a clue what he's doing. He can run routes and he has good hands. He just has the unfortunate disadvantage of being 5'6". If he can stay on the field, I think he's likely an instant upgrade over McKenzie. Edited March 15, 2023 by Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: Im, perhaps wrongly, assuming that the Bills still have a plan for WR2. If they do.. Spending an extra 1.5M this year to replace McKenzie with a risk/reward guy who could boom in this offense is the type of move I hope Beane is always willing to make. I don't think they do. I've said it before. Change the X's and O's and not just the Jimmy's and Joe's. Spread the ball around more. Gabe can work as the #2 on the outside. But he should not be 25+ targets ahead of the player with the 3rd most targets on the team. Ideally, Gabe as the starting outside WR will be 3rd or 4th on the team in targets. Knox needs considerably more targets, maybe second on the team. And Shakir should be right around whatever number of targets Gabe gets give or take a few targets. And the RB's need to get a ton more targets in the passing game. Also, I think Shakir is a WR that can split time between both slot and outside if needed. I don't think he is strictly a slot receiver. It might be where he is best suited on our team but he can fill in outside I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Is this the guy Sean Payton and drew Brees raved about a year 2 years ago in preseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Except McKenzie is under contract in inexpensive one. "Birdie" is probably his agent stirring up interest. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bills-deonte-harty-heading-to-buffalo/ Missed 13 games on IR with a toe injury last season. I hope it's at least contingent on him passing a physical. Quote In the four contests he did appear in, Harty recorded two catches for 13 yards while compiling 137 kick-return yards. The 5-foot-6 athlete is unlikely to have much of an offensive impact with the Bills, but he could certainly carve out a significant role on special teams in 2023. McKenzie is a Smurf at 5'8" 178 lb Hardy is a SuperSmurf at 5'6" 170 lb 1 hour ago, NewEra said: If we add deonte, we don’t need Dirty. He’s serve no purpose. We don’t need another midget "The Best Ability is Availability" Hardy has played in 14, 9, 13, and 4 games Same stretch McKenzie has played in 15, 16, 15, and 15 games. If the Bills intended to cut McKenzie this spring, it's surprising to me that they haven't already done it so he could be on the market during the first burst of FA. That would be the usual courtesy to a guy who has gone hard for them: give him the maximum chance to get out there, but perhaps "things have changed" Hardy has been most active as a KR/PR 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Took less to come here. per reports Ryan Talbot is one of the reporters I really trust so I can get on board with this as long as they add another in the draft 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Just because you don’t know him doesn’t mean he’s not good. I love what he brings to the field. He’s a super charged Dirty and is a good return man. It might be more expensive than I thought we’d pay, but he’s got juice. I'm curious, what do you see that he "brings ot the field?" Here is his career gamelog; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrDe07/gamelog/ I'm guessing it's the kinda thing where you actually have to watch the game. 😁 Return man wasn't very high up our needs list given all the other needs. BTW, he's got a 47.9 rating on PFF, which is piss poor. While hardly the end-all-to-be-all, their methodology is sound over there. Right now I see Milano having a busy season. LOL Apparently until further notice his new position is OIMOLB. LOL Seems like a stupid signing to me. I mean really, we sign Hines as an outlet, don't use him at all like that, when he's fantastic at it. Draft Cook for the same reason, don't use him much. I don't see this guy catching more than 25-30 passes with all of the options that Allen has. If I had to bet I'd say fewer than 20. That was hardly the case in NO where they had a roster full of nothing JAG WRs. Terrible signing, waste of money, and IMO this is Beane's way of trying to recover Hodgins, thinking he's going under the wire to redeem himself. Sounds just like Beane. His Draft had better be A+ or he's going to sink himself. Edited March 15, 2023 by PBF81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Success said: For what it's worth, Saints fans seemed to love this guy when healthy (at least that's what I've seen so far). I think this actually takes WR off the table for the 1st few rounds, which isn't a bad thing. Shakir can compete for WR2, and I think they still have some faith Davis can get back to the potential we saw in '21. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Success said: For what it's worth, Saints fans seemed to love this guy when healthy (at least that's what I've seen so far). I think this actually takes WR off the table for the 1st few rounds, which isn't a bad thing. Shakir can compete for WR2, and I think they still have some faith Davis can get back to the potential we saw in '21. Absolutely not. You still need a bigger WR2 with speed and solid hands. Shakir is not a replacement for Davis and Davis is better counted on as a third option. If they bring in OBJ or Hopkins, then you can take WR off the table for the first few rounds, but I think they are probably better served going with youth -- the question is the caliber of wr available in the draft, which is down from the previous two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Harty is on the roster with McKenzie Gabe Davis is the only receiver taller than 6’1 Diggs, Davis, Harty and Shakir on the roster. Definitely room for a bigger WR. Let's hope one is available in the draft. My point is replacing Crowder, McKenzie and Beasley from last year with 1 small receiver this year isn't a problem with me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: That would be a mistake. Bills aren’t serious if their plan for Josh Allen is to hope a small guy who was hurt all last season stays healthy this season and Davis/Shakir both make the needed jumps to fill WR2 and WR3. They all could … but hope isn’t a strategy. Concur. It's not just last season, it's that he's ended 2 of his 4 seasons on IR and has missed 2, 7, 4, and 13 games. If this move is because the Bills want to hand off the KR/PR responsibilities to this guy and keep Hines focused on the offense, I'm not sure they picked the right guy. I feel like half the board is hailing every signing of a small fast guy because they want to get rid of Isaiah McKenzie, their right, but this doesn't seem like it fills any of our significant needs on the team. We have a good KR/PR in Hines. We have a fast smurf who has far more playing experience running routes in McKenzie. We need a big-bodied guy who can't be taken out of the play by physical DBs, who can bring in jump or off target b alls, and who is available, not spending a lot of time on IR or injury report, IMO. Edited March 15, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Took less to come here. per reports I'm looking forward to seeing the 2023 cap hit number. Anything over 4 mil for this guy is too much for me, with who we already have and his injury last year. We just have other needs. That's 4 mil that could have gone to Jeudy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Cray51 said: This guy moves better than Isiah, catches better than Gabe, and can actually run a route well. I expect him to do very well this season if Allen learns to trust him. You mean if Dorsey can actually incorporate him into the offense and if Allen can actually hit him in stride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Virgil said: I'm looking forward to seeing the 2023 cap hit number. Anything over 4 mil for this guy is too much for me, with who we already have and his injury last year. We just have other needs. That's 4 mil that could have gone to Jeudy 3.7M cap hit this year, with an out next year if it doesn’t work out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Virgil said: I'm looking forward to seeing the 2023 cap hit number. Anything over 4 mil for this guy is too much for me, with who we already have and his injury last year. We just have other needs. That's 4 mil that could have gone to Jeudy 3.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I'm looking forward to seeing the 2023 cap hit number. Anything over 4 mil for this guy is too much for me, with who we already have and his injury last year. We just have other needs. That's 4 mil that could have gone to Jeudy it's 3.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Diggs, Davis, Harty and Shakir on the roster. Definitely room for a bigger WR. Let's hope one is available in the draft. My point is replacing Crowder, McKenzie and Beasley from last year with 1 small receiver this year isn't a problem with me. I see your point I think the room lacks a receiver who can make a contested catch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I like the signing because we obviously need more legit weapons, but my only question is what's going on with Shakir? I was hoping this year he was going to take over the slot role. I hear ya. I love shakir….but I wasn’t ready to give him the keys to the slot yet after what we saw last year. This gives us options and depth. It gives us the speed and take it to the house ability that we’ve been missing. defenses have to account for his speed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Dorsey needs to devote his entire off-season to the screen and quick game. And deep crossers. I have some really effective screens on my HS team I teach him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 37 minutes ago, LEBills said: That’s a lot of fumbles if he is our Punt Returner 😬 lucky hynes is our returner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 My main concern is just his injury history. If he stays healthy he looks like a big upgrade on McKenzie with only a small increase in the cap hit. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: I'm looking forward to seeing the 2023 cap hit number. Anything over 4 mil for this guy is too much for me, with who we already have and his injury last year. We just have other needs. That's 4 mil that could have gone to Jeudy I'm with you on this. It's reported as $3.7M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If Harty is on the roster with McKenzie Gabe Davis is the only receiver taller than 6’1 Really feels like McKenzie is on the chopping block. Cutting him would save $2+M with minimal dead money. They’re probably still hunting for a 7th rd pick for him at this point. Essentially it’d become McKenzie for Harty. Also, have to think they consider WR in the first 3 rounds as a potential WR2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Diggs, Davis, Harty and Shakir on the roster. Definitely room for a bigger WR. Let's hope one is available in the draft. My point is replacing Crowder, McKenzie and Beasley from last year with 1 small receiver this year isn't a problem with me. This is a good point, I didn't look at this way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Sorry if anyone else posted this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Why? Stuck on how to emoji this. I had thumbs down, but that was for the signing. I changed to thank you to you because I agree with your "why?" Spotrac figured him at about 8.5 million. I don't agree with the signing, either way. Are you s****ing me that this is a concern for this team right now?! A STer and iMck replacement?! Waiting for the "Beane knows more than you" group so I can fart in your general direction. Coincidentally, I am loading up on beans for ammo. I couldn't care less what they know as I generally have not been pleased with their drafting and FAs for the last couple of years. Yes, even the Von Miller signing. I'll be thrilled when he makes it to the post season for us, and our whole defensive philosophy isn't dependent upon a 33-34 year old playing. That's it. Lunch! Edited March 15, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Is this the guy Sean Payton and drew Brees raved about a year 2 years ago in preseason? Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 He only ran 4.48 at the combine. Is he supposed to be quicker than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: What an awful plan. I think it is clear we need to change the X's and O's though. Look at the Chiefs model. They get everyone involved in the passing game. We need to open it up. The Rb's and Knox most importantly need a lot more targets. That will naturally bring Gabe's target percentage down. It will make the Bills a more well rounded team. Everyone is talking about personnel but not talking about how we need to use the personnel. It's like they just want two #1 Wr's and to go target heavy to those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: If only he had a big, fast TE... If only he had a line that blocked well enough to let our TE go out and run a pattern instead of staying in to block. 11 guys playing together…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Added some speed and WR depth - OK. For a team that brought in Beasley and Brown at the end of the year , can see this add. But don’t see this solving anything other than McKenzie didn’t work out well last year…. keep digging Beane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, DJB said: Woah seems overpaid yikes Right?....4.48 doesn't exactly scream speed wr? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Back2Buff Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Never like taking chances on guys that have "potential" We shall see, but I don't think it solves anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yantha Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Guys...... I'm seeing a lot of excitement here for a player who has averaged 12 yards per game on his career...... I hope he does better in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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