Mikie2times Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Is it worth a roster spot? Hell yes it is. Especially if you think Josh just can't execute it, which until the Titans game he did nearly to perfection. Since that point we barely have run it. Watching the Eagles do this all year and in this game. Such a huge advantage to be guaranteed 3rd/4th and 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Maybe we can talk Brady out of retirement to be our QB specialist? 😂😂😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Look at the Eagles o line. Now look at the Bills o line. That's the answer 6 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Huh? It's the oline dummy. Edited February 13, 2023 by Bferra13 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 The key is the OL not the QB. Allen becomes a rattled mess because he’s anxious behind a line he doesn’t trust. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 Just now, 17islongenough said: Look at the Eagles o line. Now look at the Bills o line. That's the answer I don't think it's that straight forward. With the right execution, practice, and technique. You just can't stop it. Not with assisting the runner. I expect every team in the NFL to go this path. That yard is worth a couple of wins a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I'm pretty sure that statistically allen is one of the best in the league at this lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, arcane said: I'm pretty sure that statistically allen is one of the best in the league at this lol We used to run it with Josh at some of the highest and most successful rates in the league. Post Titans, we haven't run it much at all. We started again this year a little more with the runner assist, but post Minnesota game I don't believe we ran it one time. Given our clear history of running it, then basically stopping all together after "events" two years in a row, my thought was Allen had the yips. Perhaps that isn't the case. Could be one of many things. Having said this, we certainly never coached the submarine style line blocking the Eagles do. Nor the level of runner assist the Eagles use. We basically had one WR pushing. You can tell, the Eagles practice that all the time. I feel if practiced all the time it is basically unstoppable. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL puts in a rule to take that play out. It's a cheat code as it stands right now. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-just-fall-forward-nfl-teams-qb-sneak-underutilized 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Hurts squats 600 pounds aka 2 defensive linemen. Josh squats zero pounds because he says he doesn't do squats and doesn't lift much if ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Hurts squats 600 pounds aka 2 defensive linemen. Josh squats zero pounds because he says he doesn't do squats and doesn't lift much if ever. I would think college teams have tons of potential options. Mobile or physically strong guys who just will never make it throwing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I like where this is going! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Eagles proficiency is entirely in their o line technique. I don’t see any other team drive block so low on sneaks. It’s crazy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 This might be the dumbest thread I've seen so far this year. How is a sneak specialist worth a roster spot? Hurts is the Eagles starting QB and not eating up an extra roster spot to be a 3rd/4th and short specialist. You're not even making an argument here. FWIW the Bills offense were the best in the league at 3rd down conversions this year. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: This might be the dumbest thread I've seen so far this year. How is a sneak specialist worth a roster spot? Hurts is the Eagles starting QB and not eating up an extra roster spot to be a 3rd/4th and short specialist. You're not even making an argument here. FWIW the Bills offense were the best in the league at 3rd down conversions this year. Remember when the Bills kept a kickoff specialist? And he couldn’t even get it out of the end zone reliably? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Eagles proficiency is entirely in their o line technique. I don’t see any other team drive block so low on sneaks. It’s crazy. Yup, they use a different technique than any other team. Then they have an insanely strong runner as well. Same as Josh, but again, we keep choosing to not run it after horrible things happen. Two straight years now. 10 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: This might be the dumbest thread I've seen so far this year. How is a sneak specialist worth a roster spot? Hurts is the Eagles starting QB and not eating up an extra roster spot to be a 3rd/4th and short specialist. You're not even making an argument here. FWIW the Bills offense were the best in the league at 3rd down conversions this year. I think you’re extremely short sited if you think it’s not worth a roster spot for a guaranteed first down on anything within a yard. Show me the stats of us being the best in the league on 3rd or 4th and 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I would definitely take a specialists who can convert a 3rd/4th and 1 at a 90% clip than a Kumerow type specialist. But tell me where this guy exists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Hurts squats 600 pounds aka 2 defensive linemen. Josh squats zero pounds because he says he doesn't do squats and doesn't lift much if ever. And you know this ? I’m thinking Josh could run that sneak play rather effectively with the way the Eagles do it.. Hurts has very little to do with it. On the one play he was clearly short and momentum was stopped.. but was further pushed by his team. Momentum and the zero clock have suddenly become calls that the new NFL reffing rules have somehow decided to not call correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Barkley is that guy. He inexplicably keeps sneaking onto the QB roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Hurts squats 600 pounds aka 2 defensive linemen. Josh squats zero pounds because he says he doesn't do squats and doesn't lift much if ever. I'd say he works out..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I'd say he works out..... he’s got that one big arm… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Maybe we could find like an 8', 650 lb guy to just fall forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: Maybe we could find like an 8', 650 lb guy to just fall forward? No! Sign that guy to be the Sabres goalie! Fill the crease! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I heard NFL gonna take this play out because it makes games too close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 “Low man wins” is an age old football reality. And the QB has nothing to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I like where this is going! EJ can't come back, #3 is already taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I agree being able to get 1 yard on demand is hugely tactically important. But the "roster spot" shouldn't go to the ball carrier. How about to a monster center to plow the path for the ball carrier. Get some nose guard in here and teach him to snap the ball. Some guy who's ass is bigger than my body. I'm talking 360 lbs to begin with, in like a 6'2" frame. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 It'll be interesting to see if they outlaw pushing a ball carrier forward this off-season. It hurts the enjoyment of the game so they pry will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 OK! Here is the guy who is going to get the roster spot. Tom Stoltman...a world's strongest man competitor from Scotland. He's 6'8" and 408 lbs. He squats 761 pounds and can dead lift 790 pounds. Teach him to snap the ball, and then move anything in front of him backward. Josh comes up from behind and stretches him arms out and that's at least 2 or 3 yards right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I’ve been screaming that a short yardage back is a major need for the Bills. That takes Mike’s off Josh. me personally-I want a bell cow RB that can block, catch, pick up 4th and 2, score from 90 yards, and line up wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) a poster in the game day thread yesterday called the sneak play Sexy. 😁 You can take that sarcastically or take it like I did.....Heck Yeah, the BIG Bodies playing smash mouth football, guys up in other guys butts the big PUSH. I dont think you necessairily need a specialist to be the guy with the ball in those circumstances. I certainly don't think that Josh Allen will want to shirk those plays off in any case. Or if you want to remove he from the equation you put in a D Lineman and he better hang on to the danged ball. It is not his usual forte. Edited February 13, 2023 by muppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 We have one. His name is Joshua Patrick Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Hurts squats 600 pounds aka 2 defensive linemen. Josh squats zero pounds because he says he doesn't do squats and doesn't lift much if ever. Breaking news: Josh is weak lol cmon bruh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: Breaking news: Josh is weak lol cmon bruh Sounds like you don't listen to Kyle Brandt's Basement where Josh literally said he doesn't work out and doesn't do squats. That's all I'm saying. Jalen Hurts is a known workout freak. He squats more than his OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: This might be the dumbest thread I've seen so far this year. How is a sneak specialist worth a roster spot? Hurts is the Eagles starting QB and not eating up an extra roster spot to be a 3rd/4th and short specialist. You're not even making an argument here. FWIW the Bills offense were the best in the league at 3rd down conversions this year. You know how it goes……these kids see something during a game that works for 1 team and think we need that as well…….prisoners of the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Good luck stopping this guy's legs from moving forward in the pile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Hurts squats 600 pounds aka 2 defensive linemen. Josh squats zero pounds because he says he doesn't do squats and doesn't lift much if ever. And it shows, he has a pooch gut. 18 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Sounds like you don't listen to Kyle Brandt's Basement where Josh literally said he doesn't work out and doesn't do squats. That's all I'm saying. Jalen Hurts is a known workout freak. He squats more than his OL You're onto something I've picked up on as well, from that show. I didn't hear Allen say he never works out, but he has talked about how when he works with Jordan Palmer, he is constantly trying to joke around, where as Burrow is all business. From that point on I started wondering about his weightroom training. He didn't get asked much in the way of off-season training at his last 2022 press conference, just if he was going to work with Palmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: OK! Here is the guy who is going to get the roster spot. Tom Stoltman...a world's strongest man competitor from Scotland. He's 6'8" and 408 lbs. He squats 761 pounds and can dead lift 790 pounds. Teach him to snap the ball, and then move anything in front of him backward. Josh comes up from behind and stretches him arms out and that's at least 2 or 3 yards right there. So do that 4xs for first downs 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: And it shows, he has a pooch gut. You're onto something I've picked up on as well, from that show. I didn't hear Allen say he never works out, but he has talked about how when he works with Jordan Palmer, he is constantly trying to joke around, where as Burrow is all business. From that point on I started wondering about his weightroom training. He didn't get asked much in the way of off-season training at his last 2022 press conference, just if he was going to work with Palmer. Josh stayed in Buffalo last summer as he was building and moving into his house. He was in California the next day after locker clean out this year so not sure if he is staying there or coming back. I think he needs to refocus this off-season. Less golf, more football. He had his breakout year during COVID because he was in lockdown with Palmer and Darnold and Kyle Allen and literally couldn't do anything else but football Edited February 13, 2023 by KDIGGZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Andy1 said: Eagles proficiency is entirely in their o line technique. I don’t see any other team drive block so low on sneaks. It’s crazy. Jalen hurts has really strong legs too, so even if you get to him at the LOS and stand him up... there's a good chance he can drive forward against anyone on the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Josh stayed in Buffalo last summer as he was building and moving into his house. He was in California the next day after locker clean out this year so not sure if he is staying there or coming back. I think he needs to refocus this off-season. Less golf, more football. He had his breakout year during COVID because he was in lockdown with Palmer and Darnold and Kyle Allen and literally couldn't do anything else but football Do you remember what episode of the Brandt podcast he said that in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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