Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

So Damar Facetimed individually with various teammates?

The thought of what it must have felt like to get a Facetime call and look at their phone and see that it's Damar on the other end. I can't even imagine.

Chills, goosebumps, lump in the throat. 

What a miracle. What a blessing. What an incredible turn of events.

God is good. And if you're not a "God person", then we can just say: modern medical science is incredible!

It was the whole team 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Throw out the moment of silence.  This is now a time to celebrate his recovery, not mourn his potential loss.  

 

I was just trying to think of something for week 18. 

I feel kinda crappy about thinking about this from a PR perspective, but it would be good for the team to be able to build their emotion about this as the team builds through the playoffs. 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

So Damar Facetimed individually with various teammates?

The thought of what it must have felt like to get a Facetime call and look at their phone and see that it's Damar on the other end. I can't even imagine.

Chills, goosebumps, lump in the throat. 

What a miracle. What a blessing. What an incredible turn of events.

God is good. And if you're not a "God person", then we can just say: modern medical science is incredible!

There've been studies on the power of "prayer" and there seems to be something to it, placebo or otherwise.  Whether it's actual religious prayer or just positive thoughts, well wishes, etc., I'm a firm believer that putting that positive energy/love out there for our fellow man makes a difference, however small it may be.  

Edited January 6, 2023 by TheBrownBear

[Logic]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

It was the whole team 

I was just going by the wording of Rapaport's Tweet:

 

This is amazing: For the first time, #Bills S Damar Hamlin is addressing the team via Facetime. The breathing tube is out, and he’s spent the morning speaking to various teammates on Facetime. Now, he’s delivering a message to the entire group, I’m told.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 6, 2023


To me, that sounded like he was talking to guys individually first. Perhaps Ian just worded it strangely.

 

[stevestojan]

If any of the neurological tests include explaining the AFC playoff picture, I think they set the bar too high at UCMC. 

 

What amazing news to wake up to today. (I’m on the west coast, not just lazy). 

[The Wiz]

 

[Beck Water]

33 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said:

One aspect that hasn't been brought up that much is how impactful the whole situation has been on the Bengals players as well. They were just talking about that on NFLN where they said the Bengals didn't practice at all until yesterday. The one reporter said she asked Joe Mixon earlier in the week if he would be ready to take the field on Sunday and he straight up said no. The recovery news has to be uplifting to them too, especially considering they have to go right back on the same field this weekend. 

 

I'm sure that "one more thing" at the end of Josh's presser was impactful for not just Tee Higgins but the entire Bengals team, as well.

Don't take this on yourself

It was a football play

 

Bengals fans who are all salty that their team is getting screwed need to remember that the Bengals captains reportedly came to the Bills locker room to say "we don't want to continue the game either".  They had their own emotions and processing, less than the Bills but still - very hard to play undistracted with a single mind, and very possible to get hurt if you don't.

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by Beck Water

[muppy]

9 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

OMG now I need more kleenex  Damar with the show of swag even in his hospital bed. you KNOW he is feelin better now for sure LOL wow. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by muppy

[SCBills]

“Larger than life”

 

What. A. Line.  
 

McDermott just caught me right there .. legit tears. 

[The Wiz]

 

[Returntoglory]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

So Damar Facetimed individually with various teammates?

The thought of what it must have felt like to get a Facetime call and look at their phone and see that it's Damar on the other end. I can't even imagine.

Chills, goosebumps, lump in the throat. 

What a miracle. What a blessing. What an incredible turn of events.

God is good. And if you're not a "God person", then we can just say: modern medical science is incredible!

And tears. 

[rusty shackleford]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

I was just going by the wording of Rapaport's Tweet:

 

This is amazing: For the first time, #Bills S Damar Hamlin is addressing the team via Facetime. The breathing tube is out, and he’s spent the morning speaking to various teammates on Facetime. Now, he’s delivering a message to the entire group, I’m told.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 6, 2023


To me, that sounded like he was talking to guys individually first. Perhaps Ian just worded it strangely.

 

I took the "various teammates" in the morning might have referred to former teammates from HS and college that are close friends before doing an organized thing with all the Bills.

[Toledo Bill]

I’ve never seen McDermott give more than a little smile. Ear to ear smile at this press conference 😀

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, muppy said:

OMG now I need more kleenex  Lamar with the show of swag even in his hospital bed. you KNOW he is feelin better now for sure LOL wow. 

 

Autocorrect still sucks, Muppy

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said:

I took the "various teammates" in the morning might have referred to former teammates from HS and college that are close friends before doing an organized thing with all the Bills.

 

It probably included his closest friends on the Bills, such Dane Jackson (who, as you note, was a college teammate)

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Autocorrect still sucks, Muppy

its a mental defect of mine. smh corrected

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

29 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I'm not a "God" guy or prayer person.   But I did pray....just not sure to who...maybe to just myself.

 

This is a straight up Miracle!

 

 I as well. I haven't prayed since I was a kid, but when there was no big improvement through Tuesday afternoon, I just felt I had to and I'm glad I did. Sometimes events happen that are just bigger than your own personal beliefs and convictions. If there is indeed a higher power, thank you from the bottom of my heart. ❤️ 

 

#3 GO BILLS!!

 

 

[Don Otreply]

12 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I'm not a "God" guy or prayer person.   But I did pray....just not sure to who...maybe to just myself.

 

This is a straight up Miracle!

I appreciate your thoughts, I too am not a god guy, my thoughts are directly for DHs return to good health, as folk may have noticed from my posts, but we know the well educated health professionals and the skills/knowledge/learning gained over time is what made this happen,  (not that Damar doesn’t have a long road ahead) now don’t some of y’all get me wrong, I am a spiritual person, just not a in Sunday go to meeting sort of way, if you get my drift. It’s a happy day for all of us humans to see one of our family return to us from the abyss, they joy and happiness Damars loved ones must be experiencing with this good news must be over the top! 
 

 

[Beast]

I think it would be pretty cool, when the time is right, for Damar to FaceTime the Bengals. They are hurting too.

[Beck Water]

This kind of got buried in concerns, but TBN wrote a nice story on a Lewiston NY native who may have gone through the same thing starting October 27

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/lewiston-natives-heart-stopped-while-playing-college-baseball-hes-making-a-full-recovery/article_f4bd5c12-8baf-11ed-b59c-7fb841b8ca04.html

 

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It took lifesaving actions by his baseball coach and the use of an automated external defibrillator to get DiCarlo breathing again. After three days of being sedated and in an induced coma, he began breathing on his own. DiCarlo is expected to make a full recovery.

 

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Nick DiCarlo was rushed to New York Presbyterian Hospital in Westchester County and then Weill Cornell Medical Center in Manhattan, where he was put into a medically induced coma and required assistance breathing.

John DiCarlo said doctors told him his son was put on a ventilator to reduce his metabolic rate so that his body did not need to work too hard, resting his heart and brain. His son was also wrapped in cold compresses to reduce his body temperature to 95 degrees, halting some inflammation.

Slowly Nick DiCarlo was removed from sedation and began breathing over the top of the ventilator, which he was pulled off once he could fully breathe on his own. He wound up being sedated for three days and his hospital stay lasted six days.

 

Damar was evidently sedated for ~2 - 2 1/2 days which could represent difference in protocol between UC and Cornell-Weil, or, a higher level of emergency care available at an NFL game vs. a college Baseball practice leading to a bit better initial outcome.

 

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A few days after returning home, he started going back to Proformance Sports Training at the Northtown Center in Amherst, where he worked with trainer John Opfer on rehabilitation from Nov. 3 through the Thanksgiving break. After that, he returned to school and baseball practices and has been participating again without restrictions.

 

He said throughout November his body was quite sore, including experiencing chest aches, but that progressively got better.

 

He has been cleared to play baseball again as of Thanksgiving.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

From what I've been told to expect, this outcome is on the very upper end of what was possible.  

 

It's probably fair to start thinking more about what this injury means for Hamlin career-wise.  Obviously that wasn't the main focus yesterday.  If this was really commotio cordis, my understanding is that there's excellent chance that he returns to football.  Things change if there's an underlying heart issue that nobody knew about.  That will all get sorted out of course.

 

Yeah, still a bit too soon.  At this point he got off the ventilator, but that probably means the cardiologists have a backlog of tests they've deferred because they're hard to do while the guy is on a ventilator.  Let's get him up and walking and finish up the diagnosis first.

 

 

[RiotAct]

30 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

If any of the neurological tests include explaining the AFC playoff picture, I think they set the bar too high at UCMC. 

 

What amazing news to wake up to today. (I’m on the west coast, not just lazy). 

“Damar, quick, what happens if the Chiefs tie the Raiders and then the Bills and Bengals both win on Sunday?”

[Draconator]

 

[machine gun kelly]

51 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

How about maybe we get to the AFCCG, and by then he may be able to yell the right here right now from his hospital or rehab facility.

 

Guys, he has a long road to recovery, and thinking he’s walking out of the tunnel Sunday is presumptuous.  I work with the ICU for other reasons, but he’s going to need a lot of time.  
 

Maybe the home opener he can be there next year.  For now baby steps.

 

Im just glad I just saw the announcement he’s breathing on his own and was extubated this morning (oxygen tube removed).  A really good sign.  In addition, his neurological exams have all been positive as I was

worried the most the lack of oxygen while getting cpr could’ve caused permanent brain damage.  A lot of organs can regenerate, but not the brain.

Hey, I’ll provide a compromise.  How about his parents do from the hospital room with Damar just giving a thumbs up or #1 symbol.

 

”When it’s too tough for them, it’s just right for us”!  The other phrase is fine, but given what he went through, the other Marvism makes sense.

[Casey D]

Hopefully he plays against Pats.  😁

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

Most likely true.  But it seemed to me, based on the doctors PC, that the next step after getting him off of ventilation was getting him home with his family.  I didn't hear anything about the additional step of a rehab facility   

 

I mean, it was a press conference, and they're ICU docs.  "Home with his family" is the near term goal, but they're not going to spell out all the possible intermediate steps and decision making plusses and minuses nor should they.

 

 

[Toledo Bill]

I also appreciate the Pegulas. They just stay in the background and I am sure they give any financial and morale support they can.

Quiet, unassuming owners… another reason to love this organization.

[HappyDays]

 

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

From what I've been told to expect, this outcome is on the very upper end of what was possible.  

 

It's probably fair to start thinking more about what this injury means for Hamlin career-wise.  Obviously that wasn't the main focus yesterday.  If this was really commotio cordis, my understanding is that there's excellent chance that he returns to football.  Things change if there's an underlying heart issue that nobody knew about.  That will all get sorted out of course.

That's interesting,  I haven't read all the thread, is there a reputable source that he can play again if it is indeed commotio cordis?  Routine hit to the chest on the T-wave upslope will induce a fatal arrhythmia.   

I would think that would be the end of his football career or is it somehow manageable?

[North Buffalo]

Great news... little envious of all the mental health counselors serving this team as a guy who works in healthcare and how little is paid attention to our mental health especially during covid... im fine now but would have been nice but in 2002 seeing stuff like this multiple times daily has me jaded about our priorities as a society... not sure the answer but yeh im envious.

[BillsFanSD]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

That's interesting,  I haven't read all the thread, is there a reputable source that he can play again if it is indeed commotio cordis?  Routine hit to the chest on the T-wave upslope will induce a fatal arrhythmia.   

I would think that would be the end of his football career or is it somehow manageable?

To be 100% clear, I'm not a doctor.  I'm just going on what I've been by doctors elsewhere.  The way it was explained to me is that commotio cordis is a freak injury that has no realistic chance or reoccurrence.  Or more technically, Hamlin's chance of suffering such an injury in the future would be no worse than any other player's 

 

However, none of those doctors are even remotely convinced that this was commotio cordis.  Apparently it's impossible for anyone to have reached such a diagnosis at this point.  An undiagnosed heart ailment is possible.  A respiratory infection is possible (I don't get it either).  We don't know right now.

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, NUT said:

It will be interesting how all this news will translate to the game on Sunday.

I think this is accurate.

 

 

 

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

A stress echo can give additional info as to whether left ventricle outflow tract obstruction occurs with exercise (stress). it may give helpful data in borderline cases
See https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/ten-points-to-remember/2017/11/17/09/17/role-of-exercise-testing-in-hypertrophic-cardiomyopathy

Since commitio cordis is a diagnosis of exclusion, I’m guessing his docs will do all they can to rule out alternate diagnoses. 

 

Thanks for the info and excellent reference.   I gather from the article that this type of echo is really needed to assess limitations of physical activity including assessing transient blood flow restrictions during exercise.

So I see where you're coming from with what may have caused the arrhythmia in this case.

I'm still left with my original question that isn't this degree of hypertrophy measurable with a routine echo, even when Damar was sedated?

Is the exercise echo is more of a secondary assessment?

[Nextmanup]

That video message I said Damar would be sending us is closer to happening!

 

Maybe tomorrow.

 

Tube out, talking to family and teammates....we are almost out of the woods.

 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

That's interesting,  I haven't read all the thread, is there a reputable source that he can play again if it is indeed commotio cordis?  Routine hit to the chest on the T-wave upslope will induce a fatal arrhythmia.   

I would think that would be the end of his football career or is it somehow manageable?

 

Everyone is at risk for commotio cordis and it's not something that you can really manage. It's an exceptionally rare combination of being hit with enough force in the exact right spot at the exact right millisecond. If that does end up being the final diagnosis I see no reason why he couldn't return to the NFL. 

 

Chris Pronger suffered from commotio cordis in '98 after being hit in the chest with a puck and played in the NHL another 10+ seasons. 

[The Wiz]

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

56 minutes ago, Mango said:

To put things back in football perspective with Damar looking to be an absolute miracle. 

Maybe we build DH into the pregame week after week?

 

Week 18 - silence and an announcement. 

Wild Card- The training staff lead the charge. 
Divisional - Recorded Video in the stadium

Conference - With any luck he can lead us out of the tunnel! 
 

 

Superbowl - game winning pick 6

 

...or have we used up our quota of miracles?

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

If nothing else, after having a breathing tube shoved down his throat for 3 1/2 days, he has the Granddaddy of All Sore Throats

 

 

[GaryPinC]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

To be 100% clear, I'm not a doctor.  I'm just going on what I've been by doctors elsewhere.  The way it was explained to me is that commotio cordis is a freak injury that has no realistic chance or reoccurrence.  Or more technically, Hamlin's chance of suffering such an injury in the future would be no worse than any other player's 

 

However, none of those doctors are even remotely convinced that this was commotio cordis.  Apparently it's impossible for anyone to have reached such a diagnosis at this point.  An undiagnosed heart ailment is possible.  A respiratory infection is possible (I don't get it either).  We don't know right now.

Thanks, I'm not a doctor either but the ER doc I work with thought it at least appeared to be a classic example of CC with the way it went down.  Certainly we don't know the cause yet, but I have trouble agreeing with your docs that CC recurrence would be an extremely low probability for a professional football player.  If they don't have a way to prevent recurrence,  I'd say end of career.

[WhoTom]

50 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Bengals fans who are all salty that their team is getting screwed need to remember that the Bengals captains reportedly came to the Bills locker room to say "we don't want to continue the game either".  They had their own emotions and processing, less than the Bills but still - very hard to play undistracted with a single mind, and very possible to get hurt if you don't.

 

Agreed. You can't watch a scene like that and not be shaken up, regardless of which team you're on.

 

When I was a teenager, I played in a softball league. During one game, a guy on the opposing team collapsed on the field. Two guys on our bench went out and delivered CPR. This was way before cell phones, so it took time for someone drive to the nearest payphone and call an ambulance. By the time the paramedics arrived, it was too late. I didn't know the guy, but I was shaken nonetheless, as were all of the players on both teams.

 

There was never a discussion of continuing the game. Both teams simply packed up, said a prayer, and left.