I hope the Bills invest heavily into the offensive line this offseason

[TheBeaneBandit]

On 12/19/2022 at 7:28 PM, Pete said:

Boogie was by far the highest rated player on Bills board and BPA

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

[Simon Says]

On 12/18/2022 at 2:08 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

They seem to like addressing one thing at a time. First it was skill positions, then it was the D-Line, and next will be O-line. They’ll have a high first round pick which is the perfect spot to get a quality Guard.

Or "low" depending on how you look at it.   

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

A lot of it is injury related…like everything else this year lol.  It’s pretty normal to be down an offensive linemen but since we were down boettger and bates too, van roten gets forced to play center when Mitch morse gets hurt. We were doing a great job against miamis front 7 before morse went down…it felt like josh had all day to throw the whole first half 
 

couple that with the fact that there just aren’t many good offensive linemen coming out of college anymore.  

Edited December 21, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[In Summary]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

A lot of it is injury related…like everything else this year lol.  It’s pretty normal to be down an offensive linemen but since we were down boettger and bates too, van roten gets forced to play center when Mitch morse gets hurt. We were doing a great job against miamis front 7 before morse went down…it felt like josh had all day to throw the whole first half 
 

couple that with the fact that there just aren’t many good offensive linemen coming out of college anymore.  

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Adding Gregory Rousseau, the defensive end from Miami who two seasons ago finished second in the nation in sacks, wasn''t good enough for the Buffalo Bills. They had to have Wake Forest defensive end Carlos "Boogie" Basham Jr. in the second round too.

In fact, if they couldn't get him with the 61st overall pick, they were going to trade down, according to general manager Brandon Beane.

"What we try to do prior to the draft is just set us up to take the best player on our board," he said. "That's what we've done."

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bills-hit-their-target-with-boogie-basham

Of course there gonna say that’s there best player on the board. Everybody and the mother knew Humphrey would of been the better pick at that time. Mof most of us here and Bills fans in general was shocked that Boogie was the pick.  I was in complete shock especially after taking Epenesa the previous yr with our highest Pk in the draft that made it 3 DEs picked in a row in the 1st & 2nd rd of back to back drafts.  I’ve never seen a team do that for any position in my 25 plus yrs of following the NFL draft. The point is at the end of the day that was a horrible pick and what happened we got Shaq for cheap and he’s better then Epenesa and Boogie.  U know that’s not good business to continue to draft at one position leaving the rest of your team in need of young talent.

[BillsVet]

4 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

 

The Basham pick just screamed he was a McD pick, so I guess everyone was aligned with that thinking or wouldn't challenge the defensive mindset leading up to the draft.  However they set the board up, it's leaned defense enough to notice after 6 drafts with McD.  

 

By now I would have expected Beane to make the case that their franchise QB needs more than what they've given him to work with.  They'll go offense this year, but it'll be a day late and a dollar short.  They needed that help earlier and it probably wouldn't have been a big loss to the defense.  

[Robert Paulson]

5 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

There are several comments on Creed Humphrey and I can not agree more.

 

He should have been the pick period. 

 

We need Josh for the next 10 years and not a broken down Cam Newton look alike in 5 years.

 

The front office might not get Josh killed but they will get him damaged to the point where he becomes average if they don't invest in the o line.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Robert Paulson

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

In the OP fugging dreams. Get ready for more D lineman. 😂 

[machine gun kelly]

It’s a bit early to talk about the draft, but I’m confident between FA and the Draft, we may see two new additions at G.  As long as Morse is ok the concussion side, we’re fine at the C and Tackles.

 

We also should address the WR spot and Safeties.

[Mark Vader]

What are our realistic options when the off season arrives?

 

How much cap space, roughly, are the Bills going to have?

 

Who are players that we can realistically sign in free agency?

 

As far as the draft goes, I do agree that Offensive Line & Wide Receiver are priorities, but I would not discount Safety, and Cornerback depth as well.

 

What OL position is more important? Center, Guard or Tackle?

 

Anyone have any answers to these questions? Please share your thoughts.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 12/18/2022 at 5:19 AM, JohnNord said:

This is definitely happening.  They will find a replacement for Saffold and I doubt they’ll go down the veteran stop gap route that they did this season w/ Saffold.  
 

Bigger question remains whether they move on from Brown.  They showed a lot of faith in him this season and he’s been just as inconsistent and injury prone as he was last year.  
 

Also the health of Mitch Morse now becomes a factor.  

We need good young olineman who we can develop on rookie contracts. No more dumpster diving behind the Titan loading dock. Saffold, Quessenberry and Van Rotten need to be replaced immediately.  And Brown might be next if he doesn't improve his first step on pass protection. Morse might retire after this season? That leaves Dawkins & Bates. If Beane's OL scouts are weak then he better figure it out. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 12/21/2022 at 5:15 AM, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

We've passed on several good olineman at the expense of Sean's insatiable defensive appetite. This has to be the year when common sense prevails and Beane steps in to over-ride McFrazier.

[TPS]

On 12/18/2022 at 2:08 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

They seem to like addressing one thing at a time. First it was skill positions, then it was the D-Line, and next will be O-line. They’ll have a high first round pick which is the perfect spot to get a quality Guard.

They drafted 2 OTs and an IOL in 2021.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 12/21/2022 at 7:56 PM, Robert Paulson said:

There are several comments on Creed Humphrey and I can not agree more.

 

He should have been the pick period. 

 

We need Josh for the next 10 years and not a broken down Cam Newton look alike in 5 years.

 

The front office might not get Josh killed but they will get him damaged to the point where he becomes average if they don't invest in the o line.

An upgraded Oline and a elite Back will extend Josh career for years . 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

They drafted 2 OTs and an IOL in 2021.

Doyle in the 5th and Anderson in the 7th. That's hardly a commitment to improving the OL. Spencer is barely hanging on. We gotta do better. Gotta draft OL higher. Creed over Boogie would've been huge.  Let Sean draft his DE'S in the 5th & 7th round where they likely don't even stick after 3 years. If we don't surround Josh with 5 amazing olineman, we'll waste his prime years.

[TPS]

21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Doyle in the 5th and Anderson in the 7th. That's hardly a commitment to improving the OL. Spencer is barely hanging on. We gotta do better. Gotta draft OL higher. Creed over Boogie would've been huge.  Let Sean draft his DE'S in the 5th & 7th round where they likely don't even stick after 3 years. If we don't surround Josh with 5 amazing olineman, we'll waste his prime years.

I don't disagree. I was simply pointing out that they did use a bunch of picks in 2021.  It's too bad Doyle got hurt because word was he looked good, and maybe he could've given Brown a push at RT?  They also seemed to like the IOL Anderson who was snatched up by the Eagles when they tried to get and keep him on the PS last year. He's currently getting a little playing time for the Giants.  And, yes, it was disappointing they passed on Creed. 

 

Not trading Teller and picking Humphrey over Boogie, we're probably not having this thread....

[billsfan89]

The Bills likely need to bring in a vet RT to compete with Brown and add depth. The Bills also likely need to spend 2 picks in the first 4 rounds to bring in a right guard and a heir apparent/depth at center. They also likely need a couple more decent backups on the Oline. 

[SCBills]

I think we’ve got to stick it out with Brown at RT for next year and hope he makes a jump.  He’s far too talented, and we have too many other positions we may need to draft on Day 1 & Day 2 (WR, G/C, S).  
 

Id be perfectly happy if we go WR RD1 and then G/C in RD2.  If a guy like O’Cyrus Torrence is there in RD1 for us, maybe flip the order of those picks.  
 

If Morse retires, then that’s obviously another hole, but also frees up money to maybe offer Poyer a short term deal lucrative enough to stay.  

[FilthyBeast]

Everyone knows what this team needs to do in the offseason but the big challenge they are going to have is cap space in terms of trying to go after any impactful FA of note.

 

Also does anyone have faith in Beane to be able to adequately address this in the draft given his woeful history with drafting in the trenches?

 

Don't be surprised if this oline is even worse next year especially if Morse is gone which is highly likely given his contract and latest concussion.

[Nextmanup]

Top priority should be a star No. 2 WR IMO, and then the BULK of assets should be sent toward the OL.

 

We'll probably draft all defensive linemen.

 

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

18 hours ago, TPS said:

They drafted 2 OTs and an IOL in 2021.

Yeah in hoping for the best territory. Not good enough.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

Everyone knows what this team needs to do in the offseason but the big challenge they are going to have is cap space in terms of trying to go after any impactful FA of note.

 

Also does anyone have faith in Beane to be able to adequately address this in the draft given his woeful history with drafting in the trenches?

 

Don't be surprised if this oline is even worse next year especially if Morse is gone which is highly likely given his contract and latest concussion.

You are like a cooler in a Las Vegas casino who enters a room to destroy any good luck. Enough of your relentless negative juju. Coal in the stocking is too good for you.

Just now, Nextmanup said:

Top priority should be a star No. 2 WR IMO, and then the BULK of assets should be sent toward the OL.

 

We'll probably draft all defensive linemen.

 

 

I think McD will probably want to target a safety. Beane should tell him no.

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Everyone knows what this team needs to do in the offseason but the big challenge they are going to have is cap space in terms of trying to go after any impactful FA of note.

 

Also does anyone have faith in Beane to be able to adequately address this in the draft given his woeful history with drafting in the trenches?

 

Don't be surprised if this oline is even worse next year especially if Morse is gone which is highly likely given his contract and latest concussion.

They can free up quite a bit of money.  The question is just if it’s prudent to do so.  
 

Long term backloaded deals for guys like Allen & Edmunds are fine, but we’ve got to be careful with older guys.  
 

I doubt we do this, but we should also consider moving guys before their deals are up.  Looking at Oliver and Davis.  Davis I love as a WR3 on this team, just depends if we can keep him as that.  Oliver is way too hit or miss for me.  Some games he dominates and others you barely notice him… he seems like a luxury at this point, and on a team paying the QB over 40M, I’d gladly sacrifice cap if he was Quinnen Williams … so far, he’s not even close. 
 

Edited December 23, 2022 by SCBills

[metbill]

I know what I want them to do, but we all also know what they WILL do,

DL; S; DL; CB; ST/KR; WR or S

 

The OL signings will come after the first few cuts in the pre-season next year. 

 

We have seen too many wasted early draft picks.  At some point you have to have a 1st or 2nd rounder who is ready to compete every down at this level.

[Roundybout]

C is a massive, massive need. I bet you Morse retires sooner rather than later. 

[MiltonWaddams]

6 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

C is a massive, massive need. I bet you Morse retires sooner rather than later. 

I open TBD every morning with the expectation of finding a “Morse retires” thread. The challenge is that he is likely the lynchpin to any SB hopes AND I never want to see someone suffer from CTE the way that many retired players have.

[MrEpsYtown]

Jack Conklin and Eldgton Jenkins scored big extensions today, so that takes them off the board. 

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Jack Conklin and Eldgton Jenkins scored big extensions today, so that takes them off the board. 

They’d never be on the board for Beane 

[MrEpsYtown]

46 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

C is a massive, massive need. I bet you Morse retires sooner rather than later. 

I think Morse finishes out his contract, so two more years. But I think he retires after that. 
 

I don’t think that center is a massive need because the presence of Ryan Bates on the roster. I think he is good guard and a really good center. I think we need one high end interior linemen to replace Saffold who has been terrible. See what Jenkins cost with his extension, that upgrade will have to come either by trade or the draft imo. 

[Don Otreply]

On 12/18/2022 at 3:42 PM, Goin Breakdown said:

Would an upgraded Oline be better than upgrading the  WR room?  I'm on the fence. 

O~Line! every plays success revolves around the O~lines success in winning their one elevenths / one on ones, 

[Goin Breakdown]

58 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

O~Line! every plays success revolves around the O~lines success in winning their one elevenths / one on ones, 

Very true. I was thinking more about this. I think I'm with you here. If josh has time, our receivers will have more time to get open/finish routes or simply improvise. 

[Roundybout]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think Morse finishes out his contract, so two more years. But I think he retires after that. 
 

I don’t think that center is a massive need because the presence of Ryan Bates on the roster. I think he is good guard and a really good center. I think we need one high end interior linemen to replace Saffold who has been terrible. See what Jenkins cost with his extension, that upgrade will have to come either by trade or the draft imo. 

 

Tough to say. Six concussions is an awful lot. 

[Senth]

Get me the best Center 1st round!

Then any additional OL worthy of protecting the franchise.

 

[muppy]

On 12/17/2022 at 11:06 PM, Einstein said:

For all the good that Beane has done - and the list is long and great on that front and we are blessed to have him - it would be wonderful if he spent significant resources this off-season on the o-line. Spencer Brown is going to get Allen crushed sooner or later (hopefully not before we find his replacement), and Saffolds best days are long gone. I also question how much longer Morse plays with all his head injuries.

 

And when I say invest in the o-line, I don’t mean old retreads like Saffold and castoffs like Quessenberry. 

I mean high draft picks (first two rounds) and signing top tier free agents. Guys like Terron Armstead, who has been very good for Miami this season after being a top tier free agent at the Tackle position this past offseason. What to do with Dawkins? That’s a great problem to have. And James Daniels, who has been an excellent Guard for the Steelers after signing a 3 year, 26.5M contract in the offseason. Or Austin Corbett, who is on a similar deal.

 

There is some serious talent due to become free agents this offseason (of course some will re-sign with their team), including Elgton Jenkins, Mike McGlinchey, Jack Conclin, and Orlando Brown. The opportunity should be there.

 

Go Bills.

 

 

I think the Bills heavily investing in the OL for 2023 Draft is a LOCK. BPA but all things being equal I'd Love to see a MEAN Nasty UGLY O Lineman drafted early.

[Pete]

OL and receiver and more OL- repeat

[JMM]

I agree, need OL and WR.  HOWEVER, with Poyer possibly gone, Hyde a question mark and Damar likely done, do not be surprised if our first rd pick is a safety. There are several really good ones and they would make sense at our position in the Draft. (Hopefully last pick).

[Dr.Sack]

Free Agency will be equally important 

[dma0034]

1 hour ago, JMM said:

I agree, need OL and WR.  HOWEVER, with Poyer possibly gone, Hyde a question mark and Damar likely done, do not be surprised if our first rd pick is a safety. There are several really good ones and they would make sense at our position in the Draft. (Hopefully last pick).

 

 

I don't think Hamlin is done playing.

[JohnNord]

On 12/18/2022 at 2:06 AM, Einstein said:

For all the good that Beane has done - and the list is long and great on that front and we are blessed to have him - it would be wonderful if he spent significant resources this off-season on the o-line. Spencer Brown is going to get Allen crushed sooner or later (hopefully not before we find his replacement), and Saffolds best days are long gone. I also question how much longer Morse plays with all his head injuries.

 

And when I say invest in the o-line, I don’t mean old retreads like Saffold and castoffs like Quessenberry. 

I mean high draft picks (first two rounds) and signing top tier free agents. Guys like Terron Armstead, who has been very good for Miami this season after being a top tier free agent at the Tackle position this past offseason. What to do with Dawkins? That’s a great problem to have. And James Daniels, who has been an excellent Guard for the Steelers after signing a 3 year, 26.5M contract in the offseason. Or Austin Corbett, who is on a similar deal.

 

There is some serious talent due to become free agents this offseason (of course some will re-sign with their team), including Elgton Jenkins, Mike McGlinchey, Jack Conclin, and Orlando Brown. The opportunity should be there.

 

Go Bills.

 

 

It’s a given they will need to replace Saffold either through FA or the draft. 
 

Brown is the question mark.  He has been inconsistent for nearly 2 seasons…do they fish or cut bait? In the past they have given prospects many chance to succeed.  My guess is they bring in a veteran RT - maybe a small step about a Quessenberry to push him and potentially start if necessary.  

[ArtVandalay]

3 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It’s a given they will need to replace Saffold either through FA or the draft. 
 

Brown is the question mark.  He has been inconsistent for nearly 2 seasons…do they fish or cut bait? In the past they have given prospects many chance to succeed.  My guess is they bring in a veteran RT - maybe a small step about a Quessenberry to push him and potentially start if necessary.  

The answer here is they need to kick Brown instead to guard and get a new RT.

 

Brown is a beast, strong, nasty, big dude. I think he would play very well at guard if given an offseason to get acclimated.