HOUSE Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Inocent till proven guilty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Basically it sounds like they concluded the girl is full of crap and that Araiza didn't do anything wrong. Not full of scrap, rather cannot be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." Per the tweet I'm not taking a side in the case Edited December 7, 2022 by MarkyMannn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I like Sam Martin always been a great punter. But i feel like we need to make it up to him... we cut him when clearly there was not significant evidence 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, PayDaBill$ said: So they had an exceptionally weak case with no chance at a conviction. Sounds like you’re splitting hairs. The gang rape could have happened, they just don't have the evidence to get a conviction. The stuff about Araiza knowing she was 17 and gang raping her with the others after having her alone didn't pass the smell test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Probably because she was caught on video saying she was looking to add more than 1 to her body count that night...pretty hard to not to overlook this as a setup. Does saying this mean it's okay to get her pass-out drunk and gang rape her? We don't know what happened. I don't know. You don't know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Idk if the Bills or anyone in the NFL will be calling for him Someone will. The minute a punter gets injured. Or next off-season to bring in to be a camp body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: Inocent till proven guilty Not in the public. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I am glad there was some closure to this. It doesn’t make me want him to all of a sudden be our punter again. The one we have is fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Dr. K said: No. They decided they couldn't prove it in a court of law. They came out and said the evidence doesn't support the filing charges... thats a nice way of calling them full of crap Edited December 7, 2022 by Kmart128 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Idk if the Bills or anyone in the NFL will be calling for him He’ll get a job next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, Dr. K said: Does saying this mean it's okay to get her pass-out drunk and gang rape her? We don't know what happened. I don't know. You don't know. Obviously if that is what happened then no, but clearly they don't think they can prove that happened, so the number of people acting like it DID regardless of their evidence is a little strange. Innocent til proven guilty is a tenant of this country's law. Even today. Social Media is not a valid courtroom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, eball said: I'd hold off on making any proclamations one way or the other until it is known what happens in the civil suit. DeCreep Watson wasn't criminally prosecuted yet still paid a lot of money because of his creepism. Now, if the civil suit is dropped without a payment the kid (Araiza) should certainly be given a 2nd chance at a pro career. Well said and rational. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: My guess is she imagined it being more enjoyable than it was (3:1), and decided to stir up some **** afterwards. This is just as bad as people saying they know he is guilty. Why can't we just accept that no one will ever know for sure and Araiza gets to live his life as a free man? That's how the justice system works. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 It's not worth it for Bills. 4 minutes ago, Doc said: I knew Araiza wouldn't be charged. I thought there was a possibility his teammates could have been. 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the way they worded it is that they couldn’t secure a conviction, not that they didn’t have any case We've all been in a place where we had to make a decision at 21 yrs old. He and his buddies made wrong choices. And, HOWEVER it all exactly went down, he had choices and picked poorly. Beane has a choice and I'm quite certain he won't pick a dumb punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Glad he can resume his life and career. Didn’t her lawyer file a civil suit? Any idea of that status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Tremaine Edmunds!!!! Chris Kelsey!!! Lee Smith!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Not full of scrap, rather cannot be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." Per the tweet I'm not taking a side in the case see, i read this from the tweet and take it as" not even close to being able to bring to trial" "Ultimately, prosecutors determined it is clear the evidence does not support the filing of criminal charges and there is no path to a potential criminal conviction." I mean, this is what 5 guys involved, in a house, during a party...and sounds like not one corroborating witness..that's just a guess on my part...but one would think someone would want to come clean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: So you are telling me if a guy went out to a bar looking for a fight and then you found out later he got in a fight and ended up in the hospital that you would be saying he played no part in that happening? Well, fighting is pretty different from what we’re talking about here in a lot of ways, so I don’t understand your analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Hopefully Araiza can get back to football at some point soon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Well, fighting is pretty different from what we’re talking about here in a lot of ways, so I don’t understand your analogy. If someone goes out somewhere with the intent of something happening and does so with motivation, then should we be surprised when it happens? Intent matters. someone gets a gun and tells people they are going out with the intent to murder someone. They shoot a person, but then claim it was self defense and they weren't planning on killing anyone. Do you believe them? Edited December 7, 2022 by Big Turk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Guessing you did not see the video of the girl bragging about how she was going to be adding more than 1 to her body count that night? If that was my daughter in that video she'd be grounded to 35 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Or, hear me out, there wasn't enough evidence to press charges. So then you're cool with Deshaun Watson too then? There wasn't enough evidence to charge him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: So you are telling me if a guy went out to a bar looking for a fight and then you found out later he got in a fight and ended up in the hospital that you would be saying he played no part in that happening? Well that analogy stinks. First off, fighting is illegal, having sex is not. Secondly, consent for sex can be withdrawn at any point, and if the other person(s) keep going, that is rape/sexual assault. You can't start a fight and then suddenly say, actually I'm not into this anymore and the other person throws a punch and suddenly they are in more trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So he definitely did it whether there is evidence or not right? It depends what the definition of "it" is 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: So then you're cool with Deshaun Watson too then? There wasn't enough evidence to charge him either. Apples and oranges Imo. Watson had 30+ accusations. Azaira had one. Plus Watson settled with some of the accusers. Not saying either are 100% innocent, but there's differences between the 2 cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: And another assault is swept under the rug. No wonder why women often do not go to the police or school to report an assault. They immediately become the accused not the other way around. Sad. Araiza lost an NFL contract and the Bills really couldn’t have done anything differently. Today all you need is being accused and you’ll become a pariah and lose your job. Are all accusations false? Absolutely not. Are some? I’m pretty sure they are. There are lots of nutty women out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: If someone goes out somewhere with the intent of something happening and does so with motivation, then should we be surprised when it happens? Intent matters. If she wanted to go to a party and have consensual sex, that isn’t what happened anyway (according to her). Following your dumb analogy it would be like saying on camera you want to get into a fight before a party, and then someone sucker punching you at the party and kicking you on the ground. I wouldn’t say, “well he said he wanted to fight.” DAs only bring a case to trial if it’s a slam dunk. People should know this by now. I’m not saying he is personally guilty either, I’m just saying you can’t say she’s a liar. We just don’t know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Doesn’t matter regardless he admitted to sleeping with her and she was underage. That alone legally would have to make him register as a sex offender. It’s statutory rape. Acquaint yourself with the specific CA statute and what the acceptable defenses are. In CA, in addition to the victim outright saying she was over 18, things like appearance, dress, or attendance in a bar or other adult venue may all be considered reasonable in determining why the accused thought the victim was of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Ahhh, a welcome distraction to the Von Miller news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 One wonders if this outcome will be widely and intensely reported🤔🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty shackleford Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, Draconator said: WILL THIS THREAD GET TO 300 PAGES LIKE THE OTHER THREAD!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! How about merge them and see if it can crack 600. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Basically it sounds like they concluded the girl is full of crap and that Araiza didn't do anything wrong. Way to fly right off the deep-end on a terrible take when they told you exactly what they think. No need to incorrectly re-interpret. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: And another assault is swept under the rug. No wonder why women often do not go to the police or school to report an assault. They immediately become the accused not the other way around. Sad. Wow, what evidence do you have that this is one of those instances? Do you believe that anyone accused of sexual assault should be considered guilty just by the word of the supposed victim alone, without even considering the evidence? Do you think that women have never brought false charges against men? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: If she wanted to go to a party and have consensual sex, that isn’t what happened anyway (according to her). Following your dumb analogy it would be like saying on camera you want to get into a fight before a party, and then someone sucker punching you at the party and kicking you on the ground. I wouldn’t say, “well he said he wanted to fight.” DAs only bring a case to trial if it’s a slam dunk. People should know this by now. I’m not saying he is personally guilty either, I’m just saying you can’t say she’s a liar. We just don’t know. Actually according to her, her encounter with Araiza was. She claimed she told him she was 17 as an excuse for not being able to give consent, but everyone knows that was a lie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: They came out and said the evidence doesn't support the filing charges... thats a nice way of calling them fullbof crap I mean you're just flat out wrong on that. You also sound like you think that if someone was arrested then they are obviously guilty. If I want to prove you are wearing socks under your sneakers in a court of law, I need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I can be positive you're wearing socks based on all the evidence I have leading me to make that reasonable assumption, but I can't prove it. That doesn't mean me thinking you have socks on is full of crap, it just means i do not have the evidence required to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Idk if the Bills or anyone in the NFL will be calling for him He is a lightening rod right now. I assume nobody will want the distraction at this point in the season. He probably gets training camp invites next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Airseven said: One wonders if this outcome will be widely and intensely reported🤔🤔 It won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, Draconator said: Get er done Beane Why? Martin has been just fine. I dont think Araiza comes back to Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: They came out and said the evidence doesn't support the filing charges... thats a nice way of calling them full of crap 100% false. Could not possibly be more wrong if it was your explicit intent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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