Von Miller ACL- Out for Season

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Does does anyone know was it a partial or full tear? Wouldn't a partial tear take less than 12 months to recover?

As I understand it, it was a partial tear. Beane said something about it wouldn’t last. Unfortunately, sewing it back up isn’t an option. You don’t fix it, you replace it. We’ve had a bit of experience with this, but I’d love to hear from someone (knowledgeable 😋) if that’s incorrect. 

[billybob71]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Von posted an upbeat, positive video about being back next year.

 

Beane said he expects him back for most of next year.  Also will be back with team this year off the field and rehab in Buffalo.  
 

Obviously we can conclude … injury settlement. 

well with all the money involved they all have to put a positive spin on it, no other way to handle it at this point, in reality no one really knows how its all gonna go down, time will tell, no NFL team or player like Von gonna say that tho = bad pr

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, NC-billsfan! said:

S/ LB-Milano? 

 

Milano is good, but I don't think he is good enough to hang with Kelce w/o help.

 

Kelce is a special talent. He runs routes as crisply as any receiver yet has that strength, size, and height to outmuscle DBs and safeties for contested balls. He has a better catching radius and softer hands than Knox and has also mastered that little shove or pushoff in and out of his breaks to create enough separation to be a consistent target.

 

Also, for reasons I cannot fathom, defenses lose track of him - especially down in the red zone. It is like he is coated in radar-absorbing material.

 

You cannot let him get off the line cleanly or he will just run by folks, find the soft areas in your zone schemes on schedule where Mahomes will hit him. You have to jam him and disrupt the timing and the route first and foremost. Then do your best bracketing him in coverage and making him earn every catch. Take your flags and your lumps along the way, but probably worth it down the stretch in a game just to keep him and Mahomes off their game.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by WideNine

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

As I understand it, it was a partial tear. Beane said something about it wouldn’t last. Unfortunately, sewing it back up isn’t an option. You don’t fix it, you replace it. We’ve had a bit of experience with this, but I’d love to hear from someone (knowledgeable 😋) if that’s incorrect. 

 

Are we sure?

 

If he tore it already then it wasn’t “replaced.”  Or was it?  And if replaced, how did it tear?

 

 

The Tight Rope device they’re using now on ankles and lisfranc tendons - this is supposed to be changing the game.  
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6379736/#:~:text=The “mini” TightRope™ syndesmosis device is a promising method,need for subsequent metalwork removal.

 

 

It got Tua on the field in 28 days after his ankle sprain in….2019?

 

And I think Cooper Kupp just had it.  
 

It’s being used in place of the screws.  It’s like a 15 year old technique now.  Still relatively new.   
 

I’ve read we’re getting close to something similar for an ACL injury.  Turning a 12 month recovery into 2-3 months.  I’d have to do some deep digging.   
 

The stuff we can do is truly amazing.  

[billieve420]

Nothing else to say other than bad luck in regards to the injury. Have questioned this team’s mental makeup before. Bills were Super Bowl contenders prior to Von arriving and they still are. Hopefully we see the other guys step up and the coaches put them in the best position to succeed.

[billybob71]

this won't be the last injury to a star player this year that could significantly impact a team, just the way it goes in the NFL, who's next?  Burrow, Kelce? who knows,not saying i am rooting for this to happen just the nature of this game 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

For all you Miller contract doomsdayers out in force in this thread, I have a question:

 

where were all of you expressing such concern after Von was signed and for the entirety of this season before the Thanksgiving game?

 

Injuries happen. They don’t suddenly make a contract bad. This is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest and is typical of some on this board.

 

 

So you are a contract doomsdayer naysayer?

 

All they need to calm everyone down is for AJ Epenesa to turn into that 2021 @Miami AJ Ephinephrine and revive that pass rush for a couple months

 

[billybob71]

I haven't lost any hope on the Bills chances tho! there is only one injury that would cause me to lose all hope,  and i am not even gonna go there

Edited December 8, 2022 by billybob71

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Are we sure?

 

If he tore it already then it wasn’t “replaced.”  Or was it?  And if replaced, how did it tear?

 

 

I’m sorry, I don’t understand the question. But first, I’m not SURE of anything. 

 

It seems it was exploratory surgery that found a partial tear. They were looking for his recent damage, and found more. Beane said something like “it wouldn’t have held up”. That implies to me it wasn’t fully torn, but was compromised and at serious risk. If that’s the case, it was never replaced, but even replaced ACL’s can tear again. The surgeons told us the graft was actually stronger than your own ACL, but stuff happens. 

 

 

.

3 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

I haven't lost any hope on the Bills chances tho! there is only one injury that would cause that and i am not even gonna type that

 

SSSSSSHHHHHH! You’ve said enough. 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Augie

[TampaBillsJunkie]

5 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

I haven't lost any hope on the Bills chances tho! there is only one injury that would cause me to lose all hope,  and i am not even gonna go there

Bobby Hart?

[NORWOODS FOOT]

Damn... I think I just blinked...

Edited December 8, 2022 by NORWOODS FOOT

[RiotAct]

21 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

I haven't lost any hope on the Bills chances tho! there is only one injury that would cause me to lose all hope,  and i am not even gonna go there

Aaron Kromer nasal cavity bruise?

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Yep. 100% because I trust our other guys and know we are getting other people back. I'd rather have Hyde then Miller. I like our home grown talent.

 

Plus I don't think we can win the super bowl this year and I half expected him to be injured. Just a gut feeling. 

You realize Hyde was a Free Agent that was drafted by Green Bay? Also have you watched AJ Epenesa play football?

 

I do like a good troll job though haha

[billybob71]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Aaron Kromer nasal cavity bruise?

Billy Buffalo broken hoof

[EmotionallyUnstable]

When I heard this was season ending, I cranked the ringer volume on my cell.

 

I played DE in high school 15 years ago. You know McBeane and their hard on for DL depth 

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Damn!  That sucks, but Von can still contribute to the team by coaching up the rest of the Defense, and helping them all understand what it takes to win a Championship. 

Really needed him on the field. He makes big plays and makes other better. It's a huge loss. No other way to put it. The helping others just falls way to short.

[boyst]

33 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

You realize Hyde was a Free Agent that was drafted by Green Bay? Also have you watched AJ Epenesa play football?

 

I do like a good troll job though haha

Hyde was considered a JAG while Poyer was a depth guy or someone to fill the roster out until we can draft someone. We developed both of them in Buffalo.  And yes, I've seen AJ play. I think he is a solid depth player who can come in and contribute in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

 

I'm not trolling. AJ Epenesa isn't Von Miller. He's not Aaron Schoebel, either. He's not Darryl Johnson, too.  He's a guy who at his best can match the OL in the 3rd and 4th quarter a few snaps as rotation.

 

I watched him a bunch last year and he has a few moves which he improved as time goes on. I'd imagine coaches found his best few strengths and perfected them to make them more potent. This is what you need in a depth player when filling a role. That's what we have done with AJ. There is value there, I promise. 

[HunTim]

Bugger!

[gtw3]

That really sucks... get Tre back just to lose Von.

 

Losing Von and Hyde for the year is a really big blow.  Groot and Oliver are going to have to keep stepping up in Miller's absence.  

[Doc Brown]

Gut wrenching.  We were in better shape at DE last year going into the playoffs.  That’s assuming everyone else stays healthy the last five games.

[Reks Ryan]

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Russell Wilson still exists.

Good point

[Jammer8732]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Gut wrenching.  We were in better shape at DE last year going into the playoffs.  That’s assuming everyone else stays healthy the last five games.

I would argue that we’re also better at CB. Tre White is someone not a whole lot of people are talking about. Our secondary has got some championship experience with him out. Our D-line is large, fast and we have amazing depth there. 
 

We’re fine and the team strives in adversity.

 

Go bills!! 🏆

[CircleTheWagons99]

Get rid of that turf. 

[Neo]

9 hours ago, hemma said:

Did you bother reading my original post before your little word game assault?

 

   Said ‘not necessarily’.  Try to research those two words when used in combination.  In the meantime, welcome to my ignore lists JA.

I believe the two of you are exploring the difference between “not necessarily” and “most probably.”

 

 

[NickelCity]

I ***** hate this so much. 

 

[Beck Water]

 

From this, it kind of sounds as though the ACL was not fully torn.

 

It sounds as though they did a “clean up” procedure to remove torn lateral meniscus, but while they were in there noticed there decided the ACL was injured and wouldn’t hold up?

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Beck Water

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

Hyde was considered a JAG while Poyer was a depth guy or someone to fill the roster out until we can draft someone. We developed both of them in Buffalo.  And yes, I've seen AJ play. I think he is a solid depth player who can come in and contribute in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

 

I'm not trolling. AJ Epenesa isn't Von Miller. He's not Aaron Schoebel, either. He's not Darryl Johnson, too.  He's a guy who at his best can match the OL in the 3rd and 4th quarter a few snaps as rotation.

 

I watched him a bunch last year and he has a few moves which he improved as time goes on. I'd imagine coaches found his best few strengths and perfected them to make them more potent. This is what you need in a depth player when filling a role. That's what we have done with AJ. There is value there, I promise. 

AJ Epenesa isn't very good. There is no other way to put it. He is a liability against the run and he's very inconsistent with his pass rush. No way am I nor should the Bills coaches be confident he can step it up. I mean come on how many years have we waited for him to come around? Minimum value at best. There's liability there, I promise. 

Edited December 8, 2022 by newcam2012

[Success]

There really isn't any sugarcoating this one - it's a huge loss, obviously.

 

But, our depth IS better than I can remember at any time in Bills history.  We still have a great team, and we still have Josh Allen.  This doesn't take us out of contention.

 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Hey, let's not be in denial, or "bro science," this.

 

Von Miller's ACL is fully torn as stated. Most likely it's time for Von Miller to call it a career.

[HomeTeam]

This is a gut punch  : S

 

We still have a championship caliber team but a player like Von can really help close a game out in critical playoff moments. That and his leadership is going to be missed dearly.

 

Dam it!

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

11 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Over $100 million flushed down the toilet. Could have spent on a high pick WR and 3 or 4 offehsive linemen.

What would you say if Allen got hurt and was out for a year? How big of a waste would that be?

[boyst]

25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

AJ Epenesa isn't very good. There is no other way to put it. He is a liability against the run and he's very inconsistent with his pass rush. No way am I nor should the Bills coaches be confident he can step it up. I mean come on how many years have we waited for him to come around? Minimum value at best. There's liability there, I promise. 

I disagree with everything you said about your analysis because I don't think he is being asked to step up. His role isn't changing.

 

He is going to be doing the same things he did a month ago. Come in for spot time a few snaps every quarter. 

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

I disagree with everything you said about your analysis because I don't think he is being asked to step up. His role isn't changing.

 

He is going to be doing the same things he did a month ago. Come in for spot time a few snaps every quarter. 

He is a dime a dozen. Nothing special and the Bills busted on picking him. He wasn't drafted in the 2nd round 54th overall to take a few snaps every quarter. Just proves he's not very good.  I hope AJ is gone next year because he brings little to the table and is easily replaceable. Who thinks he's going to step it up or make big plays come playoff time? Not me!  Why would you think that? 

[newcam2012]

16 minutes ago, boyst said:

I disagree with everything you said about your analysis because I don't think he is being asked to step up. His role isn't changing.

 

He is going to be doing the same things he did a month ago. Come in for spot time a few snaps every quarter. 

With Von gone the whole Dline is going to have to step it up, that includes AJ. It doesn't matter if his role changes or not. Your rationale is invalid. 

[Nelius]

No more Thanksgiving games. Sucks of course but there's a ton of young talent and I'm sure he'll still be involved on the sidelines. Rousseau and Epenesa are getting healthy, Shaq did some things last week. Boogie pops up randomly every now and then. I'm not as distraught as I feel I should be.

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

From this, it kind of sounds as though the ACL was not fully torn.

 

It sounds as though they did a “clean up” procedure to remove torn lateral meniscus, but while they were in there noticed there decided the ACL was injured and wouldn’t hold up?

 

This team is very conservative whenever it comes to injuries I have no doubt if there was any tear to that ACL they shut him down because he is on a long-term contract with the bills and it’s not just about this year

[97bills]

11 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

AJ Epenesa isn't very good. There is no other way to put it. He is a liability against the run and he's very inconsistent with his pass rush. No way am I nor should the Bills coaches be confident he can step it up. I mean come on how many years have we waited for him to come around? Minimum value at best. There's liability there, I promise. 

Yea I agree with this 3 years now, and hasn’t shown much. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t ever want to do a contract like this again. This is such a cap killing contract now.

 

We’re going to feel this one next year.

[SCBills]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t ever want to do a contract like this again. This is such a cap killing contract now.

 

We’re going to feel this one next year.

He’ll be back for the back half/back quarter of the season and the playoffs.  
 

We still have all our draft picks.  
 

Please explain how we will “feel this one next year”…  Not much changes aside from not having Von for potentially 10-12 games.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He’ll be back for the back half/back quarter of the season and the playoffs.  
 

We still have all our draft picks.  
 

Please explain how we will “feel this one next year”…  Not much changes aside from not having Von for potentially 10-12 games.  

34 years old coming off an ACL. We can’t cut him for 2 more seasons, he’ll miss half of next season. This one is going to hurt. $18 million next year, $21 million the following year. Yikes. That’s a lot of cap space that we can’t do anything about.

 

This was the absolute worst case scenario with Von Miller signing.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede