EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Buffalo signed DeSean Jackson Isn’t he a Raven? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said: Isn’t he a Raven? https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-news-roundup-latest-league-updates-from-tuesday-dec-6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: I mean this is easy... he drafts at the upper echelon of GMs when compared to his peers. You can't just look at the draft and go "But DK Metcalf went after, and he took Cody Ford instead" everyone else made that mistake. Seahawks passed on Metcalf twice. The hit rate on finding an All-Pro caliber player is like 1 every 3 drafts if you're doing a good job. It just doesn't happen that often... he drafted arguably the best QB in football... which is pretty damn valuable. Given the money and resources, most posters on this board could go back years after a draft is completed and pick out the players a team SHOULD have taken. FWIW nobody has ever seen you post data or articles on here... you just jump on and start spewing doom about how Tua and the Dolphins are better than us. This reminds me of arguments I used to have with my brother in law before the internet... You're not going to win it 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-news-roundup-latest-league-updates-from-tuesday-dec-6 Please re-read that article and fix the title of the thread you started. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Buffalotimore signed DeSean Jackson fixed it. Edited December 7, 2022 by Warcodered 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Gross. WR is another position that Beane has whiffed big with draft picks vs. FA signings. Maybe they truly are all in on OBJ landing in OBD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: That's not the point... you're acting as if they're going out and having to fix mistakes in the draft by overpaying in FA. It's just blatantly false... 7/10 were drafted and extended. Best anyone can figure, this critter is a Dolphins and Patriots fan beyond all reach of reason and persuasion....quite probably a troll If it amuses you, have at it but IMHO "Don't Feed the Trolls" 4 hours ago, 34-78-83 said: How about you f$#^&*g appreciate the kind and gentle education/proven rebuttal of your takes you're getting from some of your fellow bills fans on this site and just simply throw them a nod? Do you simply HAVE to be "right" against all odds and facts. A lot of people on message boards should give it a try! Like "hey man, you know what? I was off on that and you proved it. Thanks man! Happy Holidays. Go Bills!" A most measured helping of advice, but the magic 8 ball says "Yes. He does." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, TwistofFate said: Buffalo signed DeSean Jackson 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, TwistofFate said: Buffalo signed DeSean Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 He was a definite mess, but at least he was a late round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I'd like to see Marquez get his shot with the Giants. Hodgins is being a nice contributor over there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: 4/10 from Beane. I'll say this, if he can navigate this team out of the salary cap nightmare they are in next year and still keep this team in the SB conversation in 2023 than maybe he really is a genius. Because that's what's going to need to happen to have any chance of signing quality FA's and not just relying on the draft for help. This is essentially what KC did this year when they were supposed to be 'in transition' and a WC team at best needing to let guys like Hill and Matheiu go, but Veach's masterful drafting has kept them ahead of the curve especially with 2nd year studs like Bolton and Humprhey blossoming into all pro type players. This is what I keep hoping to see from Beane's picks only to be underwhelmed and disappointed. I remember during the off-season some vocal types criticizing KC's front office for trading Tyreek Hill and claiming their offense would not recover. Somehow, they did and got it was production from UFAs while cutting some salary and adding picks in that deal. Starting next off-season the Bills are going to be faced with a tighter cap and some players widely liked here will not be re-signed. None of them will garner a contract like Hill received from Miami, but it will be new territory unless of course the 2000 off-season purge is a vivid memory. Something has to give. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I remember during the off-season some vocal types criticizing KC's front office for trading Tyreek Hill and claiming their offense would not recover. Somehow, they did and got it was production from UFAs while cutting some salary and adding picks in that deal. Starting next off-season the Bills are going to be faced with a tighter cap and some players widely liked here will not be re-signed. None of them will garner a contract like Hill received from Miami, but it will be new territory unless of course the 2000 off-season purge is a vivid memory. Something has to give. They have Andy Reid. When he is no longer their coach, they’ll immediately be a lesser offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, NewEra said: They have Andy Reid. When he is no longer their coach, they’ll immediately be a lesser offense They have Mahomes. When he's not there, then they'll be a lesser offense. Andy Reid doesn't win a SB without Mahomes' play in the 4th quarter against San Francisco. It why, while there are no absolute guarantees, hiring an offensive HC is preferred in the NFL. In fact, 4 of the last 5 SB's were won by offensive-based His with the lone exception Belichick and I'm not sure he's a defense first guy. Before him it's Pete Carroll 9 years ago. We're off track here, but wanted to note, with Hodgins and Stevenson now gone, who fills the void left? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, BillsVet said: They have Mahomes. When he's not there, then they'll be a lesser offense. Andy Reid doesn't win a SB without Mahomes' play in the 4th quarter against San Francisco. It why, while there are no absolute guarantees, hiring an offensive HC is preferred in the NFL. In fact, 4 of the last 5 SB's were won by offensive-based His with the lone exception Belichick and I'm not sure he's a defense first guy. Before him it's Pete Carroll 9 years ago. We're off track here, but wanted to note, with Hodgins and Stevenson now gone, who fills the void left? And? The same can be true for both of them. I just think Reid will likely retire first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 If Stevenson has anything Daboll believes in, he’ll be a NYG before clearing waivers. Pretty wild Isaiah Hodgins is a starter right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Farewell Muffquez, and we th...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 hours ago, MAJBobby said: And now we wait for the ObJ announcement I dont think OBJ will be ready to play football this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 hours ago, BBills_88 said: Here you go GIANTS we can be farm team for Jiants like Panthers are for us. 22 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: I dont think OBJ will be ready to play football this season. But he is ready to be paid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Gross. WR is another position that Beane has whiffed big with draft picks vs. FA signings. Maybe they truly are all in on OBJ landing in OBD. Flea powder has been know to cause mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 12 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: That’s interesting. Wonder why they went this route, as opposed to allowing him to revert to IR Saves money I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: I have always admitting when I'm wrong here. I don't attack other posters or cry to mods either because I don't like what someone else says or accuse them of being fans of other teams just trolling. Fact we are arguing and debating a 7th round bust WR is a good thing we can all agree about especially on a 9-3 team that still has legit SB aspirations. Happy holidays and go bills as well. You say that and then talk about how the general manager isn’t doing his job correctly you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORWOODS FOOT Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 14 hours ago, DasNootz said: He was released.... he didn't release anything. You never know, he might have messed his pants when he got the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigantall Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I just don't understand what the OBJ hype train is all about he catches one one-handed ball now he's a super star he cried his way out of Cleveland went to a team who was running on all cylinders I'd say more lucky than super srar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Always got a TJ Graham vibe from him. More fast than quick but even in preseason his ball tracking was suspect. Hines and Mckenzie negate any need from him as a returner, and Brown likely looked better on the practice field as a more realistic option. Crowder and Kumerow are the wildcards too. He either wasn't going to be activated by the time it was up, or he wasn't going to have a role on the team the remainder of the year. If he's healthy enough to play maybe he catches on somewhere like.. the NYG?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: I wouldn't put that past Jerruh, but just watching OBJ gimping around while arriving at the Giants facility is a bit worrisome. How long was he sitting? I gimp around as well when I get stiff from sitting 16 hours ago, GolfandBills said: Bills already have an open roster spot prior to his release. Yep I knew that, but the WR help many thought would come from Stevenson will not now. So it will come from elsewhere and no that is not John Brown. 6 hours ago, Herb Nightly said: I dont think OBJ will be ready to play football this season. Based on What???? A leaked Dallas report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: Saves money I assume. Agreed. Too many blockers needed new shoes, since Stevenson was running up the back of the pairs they were wearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: You say that and then talk about how the general manager isn’t doing his job correctly you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth Of course he does. That's what Trolls do. They hurdle expectations based on logic and reason like Josh Allen sailing over a low blocker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanjf Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Logic said: I have seen nothing -- not one thing -- to suggest to me that Stevenson is an NFL level player. Even his nickname doesn't check out. They call him "speedy", but he runs a 4.45. That's fast, no doubt, but it's not SPECIAL fast. It's not so fast that you're calling him "Speedy". Even then, it seems to be buildup speed. He doesn't have much quick-twitch or instant acceleration. He also seems to have trouble actually CATCHING the ball. He wasn't a particularly dangerous or trustworthy looking return man when he got the shot last year. All in all, he's good for maybe some go balls, and that's about it. Practice squad sounds right. One more year to work and develop and see if he can stick as a special teams ace or something. Exactly, plus, like Marquise Goodwin & Roscoe Parrish, he seems to be injury-prone due to lack of size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: That’s interesting. Wonder why they went this route, as opposed to allowing him to revert to IR I think it's the fair route to allow the kid a reasonable chance to develop as a football player. On IR, I believe a player can attend meetings and watch practices. But they can't actually participate in practice. That's what this guy needs. There's a real question with Stevenson as to whether he's ready to be an NFL-level football player. Can he play "up to" his 40 time? Can he follow blockers? Can he release? Can he track the ball? So if he's healthy enough to participate in practice, and he wants to be a football player, bringing him back from IR is the only option,but if he isn't ready to be an NFL football player, the Practice Squad is where he belongs. We seem to have the KR/PR spot locked down now with reasonable backups for both positions. If we liked what we saw from John Brown's 12 snaps vs. NE, he was just outplayed for the last seat on the gameday roster, so we may not be concerned if Stevenson gets claimed on Waivers. 18 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I feel bad for him to be honest. I just saw something on the Athletic about how he was looking forward to getting back on the field. That being said, I am not at all surprised. I was expecting an injury settlement. I wonder if he is headed to the practice squad. I read that was the intent, but of course if someone claims Stevenson on waivers then he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think it's the fair route to allow the kid a reasonable chance to develop as a football player. On IR, I believe a player can attend meetings and watch practices. But they can't actually participate in practice. That's what this guy needs. There's a real question with Stevenson as to whether he's ready to be an NFL-level football player. Can he play "up to" his 40 time? Can he follow blockers? Can he release? Can he track the ball? So if he's healthy enough to participate in practice, and he wants to be a football player, bringing him back from IR is the only option,but if he isn't ready to be an NFL football player, the Practice Squad is where he belongs. We seem to have the KR/PR spot locked down now with reasonable backups for both positions. If we liked what we saw from John Brown's 12 snaps vs. NE, he was just outplayed for the last seat on the gameday roster, so we may not be concerned if Stevenson gets claimed on Waivers. I read that was the intent, but of course if someone claims Stevenson on waivers then he's gone. Teams that would be interested in Stevenson might go after a more proven guy like Jaelon Darden who got cut from Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: You have to hit on draft picks consistently or you'll find yourself in a bad salary cap situation like this team coincidentally is next year because of all the big money FA contracts we've handed out to FA's to compensate for said bad drafts. This is just the reality of the situation and why a team like KC is position so well for the near and long term because Veach continues to crush each draft and hit on both high and low draft picks. No Beane is not terrible, but he's really just average even with striking gold on JA17 and the real reason this team is where they are now. Draft performance from 2018 - 2021 based on NetAV. Weird... do you see where Buffalo is? What about KC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 It's the only way we can get him to the PS, as risky as it may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Draft performance from 2018 - 2021 based on NetAV. Weird... do you see where Buffalo is? What about KC? PFF did an analysis too... guess where the Bills found themselves? Top 5. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said: Could you like, get this off your chest without feeding trolls? To be fair, @Logicis making a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: How long was he sitting? I gimp around as well when I get stiff from sitting Uh, from the airport to the Giants facility?? Not very long. I'm also sure you're not getting the same therapy/treatment he his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 It could be to get another play maker he hasn't really made any impact other than being injured since he's been here which sucks but with Von now on IR for the rest of this year they haven't missed him so lets get another player that will or can make a difference instead of hoping he will ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 No announcement yesterday that he was resigned to the PS or claimed by another team… 41 minutes ago, T master said: It could be to get another play maker he hasn't really made any impact other than being injured since he's been here which sucks but with Von now on IR for the rest of this year they haven't missed him so lets get another player that will or can make a difference instead of hoping he will ... Stevenson doesn’t affect the 53, he was on IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 30 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: No announcement yesterday that he was resigned to the PS or claimed by another team… Stevenson doesn’t affect the 53, he was on IR. Was it one of those IR listings where they had or could bring him back at some point or time or was it for the rest of the season ? If it was the IR that they had to bring him back that is what i was referring to in my comments but i wasn't sure what designation it was just assuming . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, MAJBobby said: How long was he sitting? I gimp around as well when I get stiff from sitting Are you trying to play professional football week after week? If he gimps after sitting, what's he going to need 2 days after a game, a hoist and a wheelchair? 23 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Yep I knew that, but the WR help many thought would come from Stevenson will not now. So it will come from elsewhere and no that is not John Brown. Question: who are these "many" who thought help at WR would come from Stevenson? 51 minutes ago, T master said: Was it one of those IR listings where they had or could bring him back at some point or time or was it for the rest of the season ? If it was the IR that they had to bring him back that is what i was referring to in my comments but i wasn't sure what designation it was just assuming . There's no special designation any more. Any player on IR can be brought back (up to 2x) during the season But, the team only gets 8 "return" designations total. So, it is a bit puzzling that the Bills would use one of their 8 on Stevenson. What I don't remember is if that carries over past the regular season. If it re-sets for playoffs, the Bills could be counting games and noses and thinking, with 5 games left and only 5 players on IR who could be brought back (Boettger is on PUP which has different rules, Doyle has an ACL), they're probably safe using 1 of their 8 slots on Stevenson and trying to put him on the practice squad to see if he's learned anything. The Bills have been very stingy about putting players on IR. They've had several (3 or 4) players who missed 3 games Edited December 8, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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