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44 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

They are a decent team with some serious talent, but one that is built to play with a lead or grind it out late which has been their MO under Shanahan especially during their playoff runs the last few years.

 

The problem they are going to continue to have is when other good teams jump on them they simply aren't built to play from behind and I think that's what the Dolphins will try to replicate in terms of what the Chiefs did earlier this year and see no reason why they won't be successful given how well that offense is playing of late.

 

If Armstead is out Miami could be in serious trouble...he missed a part of the game against Houston and the Fins had fits in pass protection. Considering Tua is made of glass, probably not great.

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42 minutes ago, FLFan said:

There is just no slowing down the Fins fan express around here, or the fair-weather Bills fan parade that this board has become.  Both the Fins and the Jets are about to come crashing back to earth, and all the breathless teenage girls around here gushing over their magnificense and bemoaning the Bills lack of winning in apparently the right way recently will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon enough.  

 

I’ll go with history until our division opponents prove differently. The Patriots were in this position at the exact time last year. The better team eventually settled in and smacked them around late in the year to take the division again. I’m expecting the same when the Bills meet the fins at home in a few weeks.

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6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If they were barely squeaking by like the Bills have in recent weeks it would be easy to dismiss these wins and consider them a possibly fraud. But they are dominating teams on both sides of the ball including the same Browns we barely hung on to beat a few weeks ago.

 

Also Tua is ranked #1 in just about every major QB category right now and their defense is quietly improving as the season goes on despite their own rash of key injuries early on.

 

I don't see them losing the next 3 in a row but agree it's a far tougher stretch than what they've faced in recent weeks and will either validate them as an elite team/SB contender which I believe they are, or another WC type of team.

They just snuck by three of those teams in a row…one of which we absolutely destroyed(Steelers) so I don’t think it’s that simple.

 

their offense hasn’t looked anywhere near as good against the afc playoff field even with tua playing (outside of the final quarter of the ravens game after the ravens lost a few dbs)

 

tua was pretty deer in headlights-y against us and the half he played in cincy.  
 

The browns win was impressive but I don’t really put any stock in their performance against the Kyle Allen led Texans. 
 


 

Also…we barely hung on against the browns? Lol that was a very comfortable win imo 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They just snuck by three of those teams in a row…one of which we absolutely destroyed(Steelers) so I don’t think it’s that simple.

 

their offense hasn’t looked anywhere near as good against the afc playoff field even with tua playing (outside of the final quarter of the ravens game after the ravens lost a few dbs)

 

tua was pretty deer in headlights-y against us and the half he played in cincy.  
 

The browns win was impressive but I don’t really put any stock in their performance against the Kyle Allen led Texans. 
 


 

Also…we barely hung on against the browns? Lol that was a very comfortable win imo 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop. Responding. 

 

He's a child only here for attention. Stop giving it to him.

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6 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

The Dolphins are playing a lot better, and they are beating teams they should beat.

 

If the media wants to gush over the Dolphins, let them.

 

I still think the Bills are going to come out on top of the division. The Bills will take care of business.

 

The Bills seemed to wake up last year when NE started getting a ton of attention after beating them. The more the Dolphins get the better. 

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The dolphins are better than expected, and I have been impressed by the coaching.  Coming into the season it seemed like they had a chance at a wildcard, and now it seems they are a definite over .500 team, even against a more challenging schedule.  It's ok to acknowledge that they are playing well and recognize that they are on a tier below the chiefs and bills.  They could easily end up anywhere from 9-13 wins still.  They won't be favored in any more than 3 of their remaining games, 2 if the jets defense keeps up at the same level.  I think they push and end up 11-6, with wins against chargers, packers, and patriots.

 

Tua has been about what is expected and what he's shown in previous years.  He is physically limited (since his SR year injury), but throws a pretty ball.  It he cam keep playing within his capabilities, he'll continue to be in the top half of QB's in the league.  He's more than a "game manager", but has enough limits to not be elite.  With his receivers playing the way that they are, he can statistically be in the top 10 or 5 depending on schedule.

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2 hours ago, FLFan said:

There is just no slowing down the Fins fan express around here, or the fair-weather Bills fan parade that this board has become.  Both the Fins and the Jets are about to come crashing back to earth, and all the breathless teenage girls around here gushing over their magnificense and bemoaning the Bills lack of winning in apparently the right way recently will be jumping back on the bandwagon soon enough.  

 

I know one person that wont stop.  Hasnt stopped him the last two year.  Why stop now?  Gotta ride it until its true. Then claim "Ha ha, I was right!"

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7 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

I got into this argument last weekend with my cousin, who is a crazy delusional lifelong Dolphins fan:

 

He stubbornly clung to Tua's statistics vs Josh's for this year and basically said that Tua was the better QB and the Bills would never win with Josh (because he throws too many INT's)

 

I still can't get past Tua not passing the "eye test" for me. 

Yes, he's accurate

Yes, he throws a nice catchable ball

But he still seems fragile and not meant for the long haul.

He slides to avoid hits or runs out of bounds

He doesn't fire up his teammates or inspire a lot of leadership

This is the first year he's had any sustained success, and that's with missing multiple games or parts of games due to injury

 

Regression and injuries are going to hit this team hard

I'll wait to anoint Tua and the Dolphins until they can prove it in the playoffs

Is your cousin an inbred? Might explain a lot. 

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7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I mean you can only play who is on your schedule, but I mean come on...has there been an easier 5 game stretch in the NFL this season??

 

Steelers, Lions, Bears, Browns, Texans.

 

Could see them losing the next 3 in a row with the 49ers, Chargers and Bills the next 3 up.

     Why do people waste time with posts comparing schedules ?  If you note , 2 of those easy teams almost beat us !  Let’s see how we do against the bears who are playing better. , don’t count your chickens, yada. Yada, yada,  What is the fins afc east record , oh and what team did they beat when said team was undefeated?  Oh ,yeah us but it was the heats fault. Who currently is the #2 afc seed ? Oh yeah , it’s them. Who is 0-2 in the East ?  Oh yeah , it’s us. Who has a receiver leading the league in yards?  Who has a qb with a higher QB rating and has thrown less ints?   Who is doin that under a FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH?  Oh yeah , that’s Not us!  So what’s  your great analytical point with this post now ,,,,oh yeah , you want to denigrate their real accomplishments and play WHAT IF , or LETS IGNORE FACTS CUZ MY TEAM IS SUPPOSED TO BETTER,,,,,LIKE CANDYLAND! ? 

 

     Why don’t we just see how we play the pats , and let’s just deal with reality , not all the things you are wishing for just cuz Santa is coming to your world soon!  How bout we talk about the fins when and after we play them , you know , how reality works ! ?  Or do you want to analyze all the potential issues with NFC potential SB teams too ( since in your world there is no way the Bills won’t be in that game) so let’s analyze the Vikes, Eagles, Cowboys, 49er’s  schedule as well cuz I’m sure they all played easy teams too?  Hey , start with the Vikes season opponents maybe!?  
 

      Maybe let’s talk when we know who will suit up for our team , and btw, it’s a matchup league , funny how that works so comparing wins vs losses , and scores , is just wasted time. What’s wrong with just acknowledging the Fins are playing well , beat us once , lead the division , are getting excellent qb play under a FIRST  YEAR  coach who resurrected Tuas career, did a great job before the trade deadline with Chubb and Wilson who are both contributing.  So when we actually live up to our potential , and beat them , no one is posting how we played the fins in cold weather and that’s why we won etc. Reality actually matters , not all the what ifs and buts in the world.   Let’s celebrate after we actually prove we are better THIS  year?  Hope Santa is good to you!🎄Happy Holidays! 

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1 minute ago, DrPJax said:

     Why do people waste time with posts comparing schedules ?  If you note , 2 of those easy teams almost beat us !  Let’s see how we do against the bears who are playing better. , don’t count your chickens, yada. Yada, yada,  What is the fins afc east record , oh and what team did they beat when said team was undefeated?  Oh ,yeah us but it was the heats fault. Who currently is the #2 afc seed ? Oh yeah , it’s them. Who is 0-2 in the East ?  Oh yeah , it’s us. Who has a receiver leading the league in yards?  Who has a qb with a higher QB rating and has thrown less ints?   Who is doin that under a FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH?  Oh yeah , that’s Not us!  So what’s  your great analytical point with this post now ,,,,oh yeah , you want to denigrate their real accomplishments and play WHAT IF , or LETS IGNORE FACTS CUZ MY TEAM IS SUPPOSED TO BETTER,,,,,LIKE CANDYLAND! ? 

 

     Why don’t we just see how we play the pats , and let’s just deal with reality , not all the things you are wishing for just cuz Santa is coming to your world soon!  How bout we talk about the fins when and after we play them , you know , how reality works ! ?  Or do you want to analyze all the potential issues with NFC potential SB teams too ( since in your world there is no way the Bills won’t be in that game) so let’s analyze the Vikes, Eagles, Cowboys, 49er’s  schedule as well cuz I’m sure they all played easy teams too?  Hey , start with the Vikes season opponents maybe!?  
 

      Maybe let’s talk when we know who will suit up for our team , and btw, it’s a matchup league , funny how that works so comparing wins vs losses , and scores , is just wasted time. What’s wrong with just acknowledging the Fins are playing well , beat us once , lead the division , are getting excellent qb play under a FIRST  YEAR  coach who resurrected Tuas career, did a great job before the trade deadline with Chubb and Wilson who are both contributing.  So when we actually live up to our potential , and beat them , no one is posting how we played the fins in cold weather and that’s why we won etc. Reality actually matters , not all the what ifs and buts in the world.   Let’s celebrate after we actually prove we are better THIS  year?  Hope Santa is good to you!🎄Happy Holidays! 

 

Let's see how all this brashness sounds by the end of the year. My guess is you'll be looking foolish.

 

Dolphins are so great yet have the worst point differential in their own division. That's comical.

 

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8 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If they were barely squeaking by like the Bills have in recent weeks it would be easy to dismiss these wins and consider them a possibly fraud. But they are dominating teams on both sides of the ball including the same Browns we barely hung on to beat a few weeks ago.

 

Also Tua is ranked #1 in just about every major QB category right now and their defense is quietly improving as the season goes on despite their own rash of key injuries early on.

 

I don't see them losing the next 3 in a row but agree it's a far tougher stretch than what they've faced in recent weeks and will either validate them as an elite team/SB contender which I believe they are, or another WC type of team.

We?  Are you the only one who can't see you're a dolphins fan?

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4 hours ago, BillzFreak said:

But even with him being average at best, the speed of that offense presents a problem. And McDaniel has designed an offense to get the ball out quick and go for yards after catch. All Tua has to do is what is asked within the offensive scheme. Having elite speed on the outside does make even the average quarterback look great. Are they unstoppable with Tua not at all, but they still are a problem with that talent on the outside. 

The way to beat the Dolphins is simple, and used to be called football.  Beat the ***** out of Tua, he is fragile.

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29 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

     Why do people waste time with posts comparing schedules ?  If you note , 2 of those easy teams almost beat us !  Let’s see how we do against the bears who are playing better. , don’t count your chickens, yada. Yada, yada,  What is the fins afc east record , oh and what team did they beat when said team was undefeated?  Oh ,yeah us but it was the heats fault. Who currently is the #2 afc seed ? Oh yeah , it’s them. Who is 0-2 in the East ?  Oh yeah , it’s us. Who has a receiver leading the league in yards?  Who has a qb with a higher QB rating and has thrown less ints?   Who is doin that under a FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH?  Oh yeah , that’s Not us!  So what’s  your great analytical point with this post now ,,,,oh yeah , you want to denigrate their real accomplishments and play WHAT IF , or LETS IGNORE FACTS CUZ MY TEAM IS SUPPOSED TO BETTER,,,,,LIKE CANDYLAND! ? 

 

     Why don’t we just see how we play the pats , and let’s just deal with reality , not all the things you are wishing for just cuz Santa is coming to your world soon!  How bout we talk about the fins when and after we play them , you know , how reality works ! ?  Or do you want to analyze all the potential issues with NFC potential SB teams too ( since in your world there is no way the Bills won’t be in that game) so let’s analyze the Vikes, Eagles, Cowboys, 49er’s  schedule as well cuz I’m sure they all played easy teams too?  Hey , start with the Vikes season opponents maybe!?  
 

      Maybe let’s talk when we know who will suit up for our team , and btw, it’s a matchup league , funny how that works so comparing wins vs losses , and scores , is just wasted time. What’s wrong with just acknowledging the Fins are playing well , beat us once , lead the division , are getting excellent qb play under a FIRST  YEAR  coach who resurrected Tuas career, did a great job before the trade deadline with Chubb and Wilson who are both contributing.  So when we actually live up to our potential , and beat them , no one is posting how we played the fins in cold weather and that’s why we won etc. Reality actually matters , not all the what ifs and buts in the world.   Let’s celebrate after we actually prove we are better THIS  year?  Hope Santa is good to you!🎄Happy Holidays! 

That’s a lot of “how abouts”!! Here’s another how about we see if Tua and his resurrected actually finish a whole season, that in itself would amaze me honestly. I agree with most of what you said also, wanted to state that before I ramble. 
You can discredit back up qbs, weather/injuries since the teams have to play the cards they are dealt, but I’m not sure you can tell fans in an NFL world of fantasy leagues and gambling actual realities. Cold weather does matter to players, not sure if it has the same effect as dropping 20 some players to dehydration or playing on blown ACLs…I digress.

 Comparing victories/defeats is fun. GB beat Dallas, Dallas beat Minn, Minn beat Buffalo, Buffalo beat Tenn, Tenn beat Indy and Houston beat Indy,  who just got beat by Miami, therefore they are Champions!! Philly has gotten beat by Washington, who was beaten by Detroit who was beaten by Buffalo who was beaten by Miami.. Championship!! See fun. 
In the real world onto NE where the Bills start to reclaim the East and the AFC crown 🤞🏻 

Go Bills!!

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I think the Bills are a better team than Miami.  Miami caught Buffalo at perfect time.  Buffalo was dealing with a bunch of injuries and the weather in Miami for the game was perfect to take advantage of the disparity in the two sidelines.  As long as the injury situations are somewhat similar, I expect Buffalo to win the rematch in Buffalo.  

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10 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If they were barely squeaking by like the Bills have in recent weeks it would be easy to dismiss these wins and consider them a possibly fraud. But they are dominating teams on both sides of the ball including the same Browns we barely hung on to beat a few weeks ago.

 

Also Tua is ranked #1 in just about every major QB category right now and their defense is quietly improving as the season goes on despite their own rash of key injuries early on.

 

I don't see them losing the next 3 in a row but agree it's a far tougher stretch than what they've faced in recent weeks and will either validate them as an elite team/SB contender which I believe they are, or another WC type of team.

A few weeks ago? Try eight days ago. After one day of practice, on the road, after a huge snowfall complicated just getting there. 

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40 minutes ago, K-9 said:

A few weeks ago? Try eight days ago. After one day of practice, on the road, after a huge snowfall complicated just getting there. 

Guess we will find out in a couple weeks when they come here.. hopefully we aren't missing 7 starters on defense this time. 

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1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think the Bills are a better team than Miami.  Miami caught Buffalo at perfect time.  Buffalo was dealing with a bunch of injuries and the weather in Miami for the game was perfect to take advantage of the disparity in the two sidelines.  As long as the injury situations are somewhat similar, I expect Buffalo to win the rematch in Buffalo.  

Miami is also better today.

 

People forget our offense was the problem that day. Not so much that they couldn’t move the ball, they couldn’t finish drives or turned it over. Miami had about 200 total yards. Tua only missed 1 series at the end of the half.

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3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Miami is also better today.

 

People forget our offense was the problem that day. Not so much that they couldn’t move the ball, they couldn’t finish drives or turned it over. Miami had about 200 total yards. Tua only missed 1 series at the end of the half.

Work with me here, maybe the depleted bills defense had something to do with that 

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21 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I mean you can only play who is on your schedule, but I mean come on...has there been an easier 5 game stretch in the NFL this season??

 

Steelers, Lions, Bears, Browns, Texans.

 

Could see them losing the next 3 in a row with the 49ers, Chargers and Bills the next 3 up.

Based on expectations on the team prior to the season for non divisional games 

 

easier ones could be Texans, Steelers, browns, Lions, bears

5-0

harder games would be ravens, bengals, chargers, Vikings, packers, and niners. 1-2 with the win a miracle

 

Going 9-11 wins was in the ballpark

 

 

 

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I said it last year when the seas parted for the Bills, and the same holds true for Miami this season:

 

An impressive record is impressive.  It is very hard to win games, especially with consistency.  These are all world class athletes at the top of their profession, highly competitive, and driven by money.  The coaches are all the best strategists in the sport.  Everyone is giving their all.  The difference between #1 and #32 is not all that huge, and within that range, teams are much closer.  Many games also come down to a few bounces, calls, and luck.  To come out 8-3 is impressive!

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I’ve read several comments on getting healthy.  We’ll, Poyer is practicing, Allen was throwing, Edmunds, and Morse were full participants.

 

Of the starters we’re out Von, and Dion is day to day.

 

My concern is Spencer Brown as he may not hold up well against the Cheats front  7.  He’ll need TE or 6th OL help at times.

 

One item somewhat under the radar is we have done more 21 personnel and has worked.  Whether it’s Gilliam and Motor, or Motor and Cook/Hines, it is a viable option.  Before the season, myself included thought maybe 12 personnel would be a way to diversify the offense, but Howard was a shell of himself, so 21 maybe a thing to expand as really the Cook/Hines option is really the short dump off receiver dressed up as a RB.

 

I think all of us will be happy Friday morning.

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Let the Dolphins bandwagon get overcrowded. Who cares? I like it that the media are talking about Tua and the Dolphins, and Mike White and the Jets, and Joe Burrow and Cincinnati. They've all won some games, and some of the praise (I'm thinking the Bengals, who are coming into shape at the right time) is deserved. Pile it on.  

 

The Bills just need to get their house in order and win these last six games. We'll see. 

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10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Miami is also better today.

 

People forget our offense was the problem that day. Not so much that they couldn’t move the ball, they couldn’t finish drives or turned it over. Miami had about 200 total yards. Tua only missed 1 series at the end of the half.

It’s hard to tell…tua has usually been hurt when they’ve played the stiffer competition the last few years…or the opposing team has been ravaged by the injury bug (baltimore,Buffalo) tua looked pretty mediocre against cincy in the half that he played and buffalo. I think their offense is a bit gimmicky and it’s structured well to blow out bad teams but not do much against good ones. We’re definitely gonna find out a lot in the next three games…they might be the real deal we just don’t know yet.  
 

looks like their gamble on terron armstead went sideways also as he will now be out for awhile.  We’ll have to see how that offensive line holds up 

 

our offense was the problem because we lost 5 offensive linemen by halftime lol the pressure was immediate all second half. Dawkins and saffold finished the game but the other 3 spots on the offensive line were absolutely decimated by injuries/heat stroke 

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6 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Work with me here, maybe the depleted bills defense had something to do with that 

 

They gave up the one bad touchdown on 3rd and long. Otherwise the D played well in Miami. The offense kept tripping over itself, including at the end with a chance to win the game twice. 

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19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They gave up the one bad touchdown on 3rd and long. Otherwise the D played well in Miami. The offense kept tripping over itself, including at the end with a chance to win the game twice. 

The dropped pick six by Milano was at least as bad as any opportunity the offense missed imo.  Assigning blame to one unit/play is trivial.  

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2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The dropped pick six by Milano was at least as bad as any opportunity the offense missed imo.  Assigning blame to one unit/play is trivial.  

 

So that is fair, in that the Bills only needed any one of about 6 plays to go better for them in that game to win (and Milano's was one). But overall if you look at DVOA keeping the Dolphins O to 21 (think it was 21) is a much stronger performance than only scoring 19 on their D. 

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22 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If they were barely squeaking by like the Bills have in recent weeks it would be easy to dismiss these wins and consider them a possibly fraud. But they are dominating teams on both sides of the ball including the same Browns we barely hung on to beat a few weeks ago.

 

I mean, they won three of those games by one score and their two "dominating" wins came at home.  As for the Browns, they got a couple of late garbage-time TDs to bring the deficit under double digits... and the Dolphins played the Browns at home without having to deal with all the travel-related BS prior to the game.

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They have three straight road games coming up that are against better teams than anyone else they've played this year except Minnesota and Cincinnati (who they lost to):  San Francisco, LAC, and Buffalo.

 

0-3 is a distinct possibility, and not for nothing, but we already have seen that they have nothing at the QB position after Tua, who will have to face Nick Bosa and Khalil Mack in the next two weeks.

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23 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I mean you can only play who is on your schedule, but I mean come on...has there been an easier 5 game stretch in the NFL this season??

 

Steelers, Lions, Bears, Browns, Texans.

 

Could see them losing the next 3 in a row with the 49ers, Chargers and Bills the next 3 up.

They were good enough to beat us! 

 

We have a better win percentage than that.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

They were good enough to beat us! 

 

We have a better win percentage than that.

 

 

 

Let's not be funny.  Nobody who watched that game thought they beat us. The Bills mostly beat themselves by leaving about 20-30 points on the field and they also got an assist from the heat and injuries which by the 4th quarter accounted for half the starters being out.  And they still were getting dominated.

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I hope that 49er's defense knocks the snot out of Tua and the Fish. I also have a good feeling about Cincy.

Nobody talks about the lackluster wins by K.C. after their loss to the Colts.

Jets at Minny, who ain't the Bears...Gonna be a good week.

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2 hours ago, BRH said:

They have three straight road games coming up that are against better teams than anyone else they've played this year except Minnesota and Cincinnati (who they lost to):  San Francisco, LAC, and Buffalo.

 

0-3 is a distinct possibility, and not for nothing, but we already have seen that they have nothing at the QB position after Tua, who will have to face Nick Bosa and Khalil Mack in the next two weeks.

And they only beat the Vikings because of the same unfair home field advantage that let them beat us.

 

https://www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2022/10/16/vikings-dolphins-sideline-temperature-difference-miami-120-degrees

 

Dolphins are pretenders

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4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

And they only beat the Vikings because of the same unfair home field advantage that let them beat us.

 

https://www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2022/10/16/vikings-dolphins-sideline-temperature-difference-miami-120-degrees

 

Dolphins are pretenders

 

They lost to the Vikings 24-16.

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