Bills at Lions - Post Game Thread

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I think you are missing the point. In fact, you make my point even stronger. The Bills played a mediocre Lions team who were hurt on both sides of the ball. The Bills weren't able to control the game and in fact struggled on both sides of the ball. The Bills were very fortunate to win today. Point being with all the Bills injuries they are not a great team. Not a team who can make a run to the Super Bowl. Anyone thinking the Bills can is out of touch with reality. 

 

Very strange way of looking at this.  I think you can do better.  Let me help 😃

 

The Lions are not as mediocre as their record.  They do have a really really good offense and lost some very close games. Sometimes the ball just bounces that way.

 

The Bills, also banged up on both sides of the ball including QB are finding ways to still win.  While also losing a home game, having 1 practice per week the last two weeks and a QB that doesnt throw in practice at all.

 

I think most of these players are going to be back by the playoffs and the Bills just need to find ways to win until then.  There are no style points with the injuries we have.  Just keep winning.

 

If anything its a credit to this coaching staff, the depth Beane put together, and the resillience of our players getting to 8-3.

 

You're welcome friend.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Scott7975

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

True but one glaring omission is the INTs Allen is throwing. Many are totally on him at critical moments in the red zone. Several of those INTs likely cost the bills wins. I believe Allen is leading the league in INTs. 

I think he’ll finish with about 15 or 16 ints…it’ll certainly be a factor in why he doesn’t win mvp but theoretically there’d be a path for someone with that many ints to win it especially if they’re rushing for around 1000 yards.  
 

Josh might get some bonus points for having such a huge percentage of his teams total yardage and tds but it won’t nearly be enough

it’s a silly award anyway imo…no idea why tyreek or Justin Jefferson aren’t getting more of a shot at it 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Scott7975]

40 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Mahomes has one of the best offensive lines in football and we have very much not that…Allen never really had a chance based on the supporting cast this season and his elbow injury.  
 

I don’t think there’s much of a chance that Allen gets back in the conversation but I do think it’s closer than it looks if that’s not contradictory at all 😂. Mahomes and Allen are pretty close in total tds and total yards 

 

 

 

 

Mahomes and Allen are the two best QBs in football.  I dont think it matters which one is better.  My feelings on it are that they both do their own things at an elite level but those things are different.  Part of my opinion is this...

 

I think Mahomes is in a better offensive system and has better skill position players over all and has an easier time playing QB. A 5 yard pass for them can go like 20 yards all the time.  A 5 yard pass for us goes 5-10 yards most of the time.

 

I think Mahomes does read the field better than Allen

 

I think Allen can drive a ball better and further and get it into a window better than Mahomes can

 

Thats just partially what I think but all I really want to say because I dont want it to turn into a long debate.  That debate just doesnt matter.

[Big Turk]

Ugly wins >>> Pretty losses

[BillsfaninSB]

These two games were a gut check.  Could have easily lost at least one.  They would have been 1 - 3 in the last 4.  Unthinkable a few weeks ago.

 

But they didn’t let it happen.  Hoping this makes them stronger.

 

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

Sorry, wrong link:

 

 

Who does this guy think he is - a f******g doctor??

[Comebackkid]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

That’s MISTER Thanksgiving to you!

 

he's growing up before our very eyes

[AlfaBill]

Anyone notice Nantz calling him simply Josh on the telecast? 

[BigAl2526]

Buffalo has three consecutive division opponents coming up.  Somehow, this was supposed to be an easy stretch of the schedule. It's not turning out that way.  Hopefully Tre White can up his pitch count next week and the D-line can stay stout in the middle.  With Von Miller possibly out next Thursday, and maybe beyond, Buffalo needs to get Rousseau and Epenesa healthy pronto.  

[Franco_92]

So we had 1 timeout left before Allen's last run, right before Bass's kick. 

The TV showed no timeouts when we kicked. So I'm assuming that Allen stayed in bounds (what it looked like), and we burned a timeout. 

Why the hell did we burn this timeout with 7 seconds left? It gave DET a chance on a kickoff. If the clock runs down to 4, and you call it then, regulation ends on the kick. 

[reddogblitz]

Great win.  This is how good teams win games sometimes against inferior opponents.  Screw around for 3 1/2 quarters and find a way to win at the end.  The Patriots beat us a few times like that.  Tom Landry won quite a few like that.  I wasn't a Bills fan in the glory years but I suspect they won some games like that..

 

Can we get off the Bills can't win 1 score games nonsense?  Bills are now 4-3 in 1 score games this year.

 

Man, Ed Oliver had a great game.

 

[njbuff]

Anyone notice that other than the opener (even this game was tied at half)…..

 

that the Bills road games this year have all been heart attacks. 😂😂

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I honestly dont even want to caption that.  Two of the biggest competitors in football and two best friends with real love for each other and the game they play.

Diggs is that his true home he was always meant to be a buffalo Bill
 

 

3 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Buffalo has three consecutive division opponents coming up.  Somehow, this was supposed to be an easy stretch of the schedule. It's not turning out that way.  Hopefully Tre White can up his pitch count next week and the D-line can stay stout in the middle.  With Von Miller possibly out next Thursday, and maybe beyond, Buffalo needs to get Rousseau and Epenesa healthy pronto.  

we definitely need a groot edmunds and tre

[Buffalo Ballin]

We won.

 

We shouldn't give a F what any pundit thinks. These games are difficult. We lost Von Miller most likely for the rest of the year. Oh well. Gotta carry on. Next man up type steez.

 

Keep grinding it out. These wins are gonna be ugly from here on out. We really do have the toughest schedule and obstacles this year.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Buffalo Ballin

[No_Matter_What]

8 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

We were without a starting safety, basically without one of our starting cornerbacks, without a starting linebacker, without a starting defensive end (and lost our hall of famer later in the game), without our starting center, lost one of our tackles, not to mention our two receivers that are down and an injured starting qb, and basically played without meaningful practices for over a week. Once we are healthy the rest of the NFL better watch out. Loved the gutted out win. Go Bills!!

This is spot on. Things look a little gloomy right now but this team is still exactly what I thought they were.

 

We are just little unlucky, have too much injuries and Josh's elbow is clearly not ok.

 

This will be entirely different team come playoff time, provided that we will be at least reasonably healthy.

 

On the other hand, at this stage I am really afraid that injuries won't go away. Everytime we get a starter back we lose another one.

 

So there will be injuries, and we can just hope that not to crucial players. I'd include Allen, Diggs, Morse, Dawkins, Miller, Rousseau, Milano, Edmunds, White and Poyer in this category.

[No_Matter_What]

7 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think you are missing the point. In fact, you make my point even stronger. The Bills played a mediocre Lions team who were hurt on both sides of the ball. The Bills weren't able to control the game and in fact struggled on both sides of the ball. The Bills were very fortunate to win today. Point being with all the Bills injuries they are not a great team. Not a team who can make a run to the Super Bowl. Anyone thinking the Bills can is out of touch with reality. 

Thank God we have you to tell us what reality is.

 

Without you I'd foolishly think that we are still an elite team dealing with lot of unluck and adversity.

[Mynamemike]

I was on the road traveling during the first half yesterday.  How did Tre look back in action?  Didn’t see him out there much late in the game

Edited November 25, 2022 by Mynamemike

[nucci]

8 minutes ago, Mynamemike said:

I was on the road traveling during the first half yesterday.  How did Tre look back in action?  Didn’t see him out there much late in the game

played a few snaps in 1st qtr then done

[LabattBlue]

10 minutes ago, nucci said:

played a few snaps in 1st qtr then done

I could see not playing him the entire game, but they activate him for the game and then he plays a handful of snaps early, and that’s it?  Color me confused. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Did you hear what Romo said about Allen's throw? 

 

Plus, your comparassion is a bit disingenuous. The Chargers are seen by many as a playoff contender and dangerous if heathly. No one really considers the Lions as such. Add in the Lion injuries too. 

 

Lastly, Mahomes is out playing Allen despite losing to the Bills. With that said, Allen's throw to Diggs was tremoundous!

The Lions played with more fight and heart yesterday than the Chargers under Staley ever have.

 

I’m sorry, I think Herbert is talented as they come, but how about LA wins about 4 games in a row just once? 

40 minutes ago, Mynamemike said:

I was on the road traveling during the first half yesterday.  How did Tre look back in action?  Didn’t see him out there much late in the game

He was only in the first couple of drives.

 

McDermott said after the game they only wanted him in for 20-25 plays.

 

It looked like they had the same strategy with Elam, but when they had to have it, Elam came back in the 4th.

[SCBills]

Sounds like it was a pitch count for both White and Elam.

 

Didnt notice White at all when he was out there, which I suppose could be a good thing. 

 

For most of the game it was just a repeat of the Dane Jackson gets roasted show. 

[Ya Digg?]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Did you hear what Romo said about Allen's throw? 

 

Plus, your comparassion is a bit disingenuous. The Chargers are seen by many as a playoff contender and dangerous if heathly. No one really considers the Lions as such. Add in the Lion injuries too. 

 

Lastly, Mahomes is out playing Allen despite losing to the Bills. With that said, Allen's throw to Diggs was tremoundous!

The Chargers are ALWAYS seen as a playoff team yet NEVER MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! There probably isn’t a more overrated team in the league, and the Chiefs barely beat them. I am not saying the Lions are a playoff team but at this point in the season they are a more dangerous team than the Chargers are 

[nucci]

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Sounds like it was a pitch count for both White and Elam.

 

Didnt notice White at all when he was out there, which I suppose could be a good thing. 

 

For most of the game it was just a repeat of the Dane Jackson gets roasted show. 

snap count

[Royale with Cheese]

10 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think you are missing the point. In fact, you make my point even stronger. The Bills played a mediocre Lions team who were hurt on both sides of the ball. The Bills weren't able to control the game and in fact struggled on both sides of the ball. The Bills were very fortunate to win today. Point being with all the Bills injuries they are not a great team. Not a team who can make a run to the Super Bowl. Anyone thinking the Bills can is out of touch with reality. 

I guess that means the Eagles, Dolphins and Vikings aren’t making Super Bowl runs this year because they barely beat the Lions too when healthy.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Solomon Grundy]

This game really showed me how important the slot receiver is to Josh Allen and this offense. I've noticed how different the offense looks without Crowder. Since his injury the offense has been sporadic. McKenzie/Shakir has filled in for spot duty, but has been inconsistent. Yesterday's game and the Pittsburgh game insinuated the need for a capable, consistent slot receiver

[Process]

Shakir 34 snaps 0 targets, damn. Hines 4 snaps, it's pretty clear at this point he's strictly a return man.

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

36 minutes ago, SCBills said:

For most of the game it was just a repeat of the Dane Jackson gets roasted show.

I'm afraid that Devante Parker may have a career game next week. Dane is having trouble adjusting to the ball, especially jump balls. This is a big part of Parker's game. Hopefully Frazier figures something out

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Shakir 34 snaps 0 targets

Think teams notices this? When Shakir's in the game he's either used to block or decoy. 

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, Process said:

Shakir 34 snaps 0 targets, damn. Hines 4 snaps, it's pretty clear at this point he's strictly a return man.

 

 

I tried watching Shakir on a couple of routes (as well as you can until he’s out of the screen) and it looks like he struggles to get separation. That being said on Josh’s touchdown when he dropped the snap, Shakir made a nice move to get wide open, I wonder if the play was designed to go to him

[Brand J]

Josh almost never looks Shakir’s way. Whether that’s Shakir’s fault for not getting open, I don’t know, I don’t have the All-22. It’s almost exclusively, Diggs, Davis, and (insert running back here). Knox only gets a couple looks himself.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Josh almost never looks Shakir’s way. Whether that’s Shakir’s fault for not getting open, I don’t know, I don’t have the All-22. It’s almost exclusively, Diggs, Davis, and (insert running back here). Knox only gets a couple looks himself.

Anybody here watch Dallas and wonder why we can’t scheme up stuff for Knox like they did their TE? 
 

Everything we run seems like it’s our guy has to win his matchup, even Knox .. whereas I watch all these other teams scheme guys open.  
 

I don’t get it.  Maybe we’re all overly critical, and we do move the ball, but unless we unleash Allen to run/throw at will, everything seems like we’re playing the opp on expert level.  

[Ya Digg?]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Anybody here watch Dallas and wonder why we can’t scheme up stuff for Knox like they did their TE? 
 

Everything we run seems like it’s our guy has to win his matchup, even Knox .. whereas I watch all these other teams scheme guys open.  
 

I don’t get it.  Maybe we’re all overly critical, and we do move the ball, but unless we unleash Allen to run/throw at will, everything seems like we’re playing the opp on expert level.  

What amazes me is that one of the very few times they actually seemed to scheme someone open, they scored a touchdown! They knew Diggs would be doubled, McKenzie ran right behind the double team and was wide open!

[Mat68]

I liked that missing so many Dlineman Ed Oliver stepped up big.  He was a force on the field with Milano.  With the injuries on defense Im not going to expect the replacements to make the plays.  The last few weeks im disappointed most with Jackson and Johnson.  They are 2/5 of the starting secondary.  I expect Benford, Elam, and Hamlin to get picked on.  Cleveland and Detriot got numeros plays on both Jackson and Johnson.  They seem to be treading water or struggling with there new primary roles.  If White gets back to a majority snap count I rotate Benford and Elam in with Jackson.  

[Mat68]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Anybody here watch Dallas and wonder why we can’t scheme up stuff for Knox like they did their TE? 
 

Everything we run seems like it’s our guy has to win his matchup, even Knox .. whereas I watch all these other teams scheme guys open.  
 

I don’t get it.  Maybe we’re all overly critical, and we do move the ball, but unless we unleash Allen to run/throw at will, everything seems like we’re playing the opp on expert level.  

Yes, no one watches film on Buffalo and comes away with we have to stop Singletary and Cook to win.  Allen is a threat running as well.  If I play Buffalo backside end goes Allen than recover.  Without the defense crashing to stop the run that play is rather useless.  
 

Knox seems to be helping more in pass protection than under Daboll as well.  He is helping Brown on what seems like most pass plays.  My main take away is I want to see Cook used more traditionally.  That will allow the plays on the edge to have a larger impact.   

Edited November 25, 2022 by Mat68

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Yes, no one watches film on Buffalo and comes away with we have to stop Singletary and Cook to win.  Allen is a threat running as well.  If I play Buffalo backside end goes Allen than recover.  Without the defense crashing to stop the run that play is rather useless.  
 

Knox seems to be helping more in pass protection than under Daboll as well.  He is helping Brown on what seems like most pass plays.  My main take away is I want to see Cook used more traditionally.  That will allow the plays on the edge to have a larger impact.   

Yea.. I’ve been impressed with Cook as a RB.  Not so much as a pass catcher.  He’s thinking too much and doesn’t understand zones/pass-angles yet, which almost led to a turnover yesterday. 
 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by SCBills

[Process]

Knox's lack of involvement in this offense is definitely one of the biggest disappointments this season. $13M is a lot to pay for a blocking TE.

[Chicken Boo]

To me, these are the types of games the Bills need.

 

It's easy when everything is going well and you blow a team out by 20.  Battling to win a few ugly ones builds character.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[CincyBillsFan]

56 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Josh almost never looks Shakir’s way. Whether that’s Shakir’s fault for not getting open, I don’t know, I don’t have the All-22. It’s almost exclusively, Diggs, Davis, and (insert running back here). Knox only gets a couple looks himself.

Don't forget McKenzie.  When a team puts a guy that's a mismatch covering McK Allen will exploit the hell out of the situation like he did last year against NE and to an extent yesterday.  The evidence is overwhelming that if a guy is consistently getting open Allen will throw hm the ball.  To me the fault is with Shakir for not getting consistently open or worse running the poor patterns.

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Mynamemike said:

I was on the road traveling during the first half yesterday.  How did Tre look back in action?  Didn’t see him out there much late in the game

 

He only played the first 2 series, about 15 plays and was on a pitch count. McD said the plan is he will get more time next game as they ramp him back up.

He wasn't noticeable which was a good thing I guess? Lions went 3 and out there first series.

[wjag]

I know there were many aspects of the last three weeks that have changed perceptions on the team, but I would like to put away the worry beads for a day and just appreciate what we have been treated to, and yes, I mean treated to.

 

Buffalo has a QB with a dinged wing

Buffalo has a M*A*S*H unit playing on the OLINE

Buffalo lost a day of practice to sickness

Buffalo lost a day of practice due to a freak snow storm

Buffalo had to figure out a way to travel to Detroit with 24 hours notice in the middle of said freak storm

Buffalo had to fly back home and continue the dig out and then turn around and fly back four days later all the while installing a game plan

Buffalo played 3 games in 12 days with all of that going on and 4 games in 19 days.

Buffalo lost starts from Morse, Miller, Epenesa, Rousseau, Elam, Poyer, Edmunds, Milano, Dawkins during that stretch (incredible to type that)

Buffalo played 3 of 4 on the road and next week it will be 4 of 5

 

And having said all that, every game has been competitive.  Buffalo lost a couple, but if it wasn't for that crazy sequence vs Minnesota, they would be 3-1 during that stretch.  Seriously, how many teams in the NFL could go through that stretch, be in every game and still be 2-2?  Every Bills game, and I mean every Bills game is now must see TV.  

Edited November 25, 2022 by wjag

[stevewin]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This angle makes it even more impressive- looking left the whole first part of the play then just launches it down the middle to where Stef will be.  Crazy