Is There So Little Love for Tremaine Edmunds?

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

Tremaine played well, that's a shame he did not pick that ball though

[akcash]

The light bulb for Tremaine  Edmund's has officially turned on. Since he has come back against the Pat's he has played at a meteoric risen level that Josh Allen displayed in year 3. His instincts are being displayed at every moment, he is punishing people when he hits them with full confidence, he is beating blockers to the spot, he is shedding tackles better than ive ever seen him. His eyes are glued in the backfield. It's like they downloaded instincts into his brain and he is playing downhill with full confidence and is one scary mf right now. I am so happy to see this dude coming on and he is not looking back. I didn't know if he would get to this level but he has arrived. And he's not looking back. Big baller fkin Beane. This is like the middle linebacker version of bad things man. I am so fking pumped and I hope to hell we can re-ink this guy next year.

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, akcash said:

he is beating blockers to the spot, he is shedding tackles better than ive ever seen him.

 

This. 👆

And he's also playing with his hips lower in coverage which has also really improved his overall game.

The comparison to Allen's huge single season leap forward is one I hadn't considered but might be apt.

When the season started I don't think the Bills had any real intention of paying him big bucks for what he brought to the field, but damn if he hasn't put Beane in a much more difficult spot now.

[Eastport bills]

10 hours ago, akcash said:

The light bulb for Tremaine  Edmund's has officially turned on. Since he has come back against the Pat's he has played at a meteoric risen level that Josh Allen displayed in year 3. His instincts are being displayed at every moment, he is punishing people when he hits them with full confidence, he is beating blockers to the spot, he is shedding tackles better than ive ever seen him. His eyes are glued in the backfield. It's like they downloaded instincts into his brain and he is playing downhill with full confidence and is one scary mf right now. I am so happy to see this dude coming on and he is not looking back. I didn't know if he would get to this level but he has arrived. And he's not looking back. Big baller fkin Beane. This is like the middle linebacker version of bad things man. I am so fking pumped and I hope to hell we can re-ink this guy next year.

What a perfect assessment. Anyone who doesn’t see what this freak athlete has become is not paying attention.

[Don Otreply]

On 11/3/2022 at 4:39 PM, BullBuchanan said:

Is it Kelce's 6 TDs and 475 yards across 5 games against us during Edmunds' time here or is it something else that leads you to this opinion?
 

You don’t get all ruffled up when our star QB throws multiple interceptions during games, and is or is on the verge of leading the league in that highly negative category, yet you constantly complain about Edmunds, ya can’t have it both ways buddy, screwing the pooch is screwing the pooch, and guess what, both Edmunds and Allen are 10-3 this season and the number one seed in the AFC…, waiting for the spin that Edmunds is the main glaring weakness and the root of all the teams issues. Have at it, can’t wait, I’ll be making coffee ☕️  😂👍

 

GO BILLS!!! Squish the fish!!!

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

You don’t get all ruffled up when our star QB throws multiple interceptions during games, and is or is on the verge of leading the league in that highly negative category, yet you constantly complain about Edmunds, ya can’t have it both ways buddy, screwing the pooch is screwing the pooch, and guess what, both Edmunds and Allen are 10-3 this season and the number one seed in the AFC…, waiting for the spin that Edmunds is the main glaring weakness and the root of all the teams issues. Have at it, can’t wait, I’ll be making coffee ☕️  😂👍

 

GO BILLS!!! Squish the fish!!!

 

I don't? How long have you been following me exactly? Many posters would be shocked to hear this revelation.

[julian]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

You don’t get all ruffled up when our star QB throws multiple interceptions during games, and is or is on the verge of leading the league in that highly negative category, yet you constantly complain about Edmunds, ya can’t have it both ways buddy, screwing the pooch is screwing the pooch, and guess what, both Edmunds and Allen are 10-3 this season and the number one seed in the AFC…, waiting for the spin that Edmunds is the main glaring weakness and the root of all the teams issues. Have at it, can’t wait, I’ll be making coffee ☕️  😂👍

 

GO BILLS!!! Squish the fish!!!

Yeah I’m not so sure pointing to the stats of arguably the greatest TE of all time catching passes from Mahommes is the correct way to lay into Edmunds.

 

 Without looking, I’d assume kelce’s numbers are excellent against almost every team.

 

 Some people just need to be right.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, julian said:

Yeah I’m not so sure pointing to the stats of arguably the greatest TE of all time catching passes from Mahommes is the correct way to lay into Edmunds.

 

 Without looking, I’d assume kelce’s numbers are excellent against almost every team.

 

 Some people just need to be right.

My comment was in response to a claim that Edmunds strengths are a perfect matchup vs the Chiefs when statistically they are anything but. Context matters.

[julian]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

My comment was in response to a claim that Edmunds strengths are a perfect matchup vs the Chiefs when statistically they are anything but. Context matters.

Nobody’s match are against the Chiefs.. that’s the context 

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, julian said:

Nobody’s match are against the Chiefs.. that’s the context 

That's not true either.

Edited December 15, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 11/13/2022 at 5:55 PM, FireChans said:

I think that was Justin Jefferson lol

 

Uhhh.. the 81 yard TD run was kind of important...

[Aesop]

So, I know Beane is a wizard with the cap. But do we think Edmunds takes a team friendly deal next year? Dude is a balling out. 

 

PS-God Bless true 1 tech DTs.

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Aesop said:

So, I know Beane is a wizard with the cap. But do we think Edmunds takes a team friendly deal next year? Dude is a balling out. 

 

PS-God Bless true 1 tech DTs.

 

The AAV will be fair for both sides.  Next year's cap will be low as a lot of cash will go to signing bonus.

I'm thinking it will be 5 years somewhere around $70M ($14M per year).  2023 cap hit around $8M.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Uhhh.. the 81 yard TD run was kind of important...

Sure but so were the 200 yards receiving.  

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Aesop said:

So, I know Beane is a wizard with the cap. But do we think Edmunds takes a team friendly deal next year? Dude is a balling out. 

 

PS-God Bless true 1 tech DTs.

NO.  He'll get a LOT of money from someone, and I hope it's not us.

I'm not sure we can fit him into the (financial) scheme anyway.

 

Find a baller with speed in the draft and replace him for peanuts.

There are a lot of good LBs running around this country.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Nextmanup

[julian]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

That's not true either.

Yeah it’s a long list isn’t it lol

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, julian said:

Yeah I’m not so sure pointing to the stats of arguably the greatest TE of all time catching passes from Mahommes is the correct way to lay into Edmunds.

 

 Without looking, I’d assume kelce’s numbers are excellent against almost every team.

 

 Some people just need to be right.

I wasn’t laying into Edmunds in the slightest, I was responding to someone who was, by presenting a comparison, read it again maybe? 

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I don't? How long have you been following me exactly? Many posters would be shocked to hear this revelation.

What you pointed out in the post I was responding to is a bread and butter  type of Edmonds complaint, so I compared it to another important player on the roster who as well makes bad plays, it was done to show the silliness of the constant “ Edmonds is always doing things wrong” mentality that abounds here. 

[Riverboat Ritchie]

Tremaine needs to resigned.! 

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

What you pointed out in the post I was responding to is a bread and butter  type of Edmonds complaint, so I compared it to another important player on the roster who as well makes bad plays, it was done to show the silliness of the constant “ Edmonds is always doing things wrong” mentality that abounds here. 

It would be silly except I hammer Josh for his mistakes too. Unlike Edmunds however he makes massive plays that greatly impact the team and is maybe the best player int he league when he's firing on all cylinders. Edmunds is an invisible player who at his absolute best still is the 2nd best linebacker on his own team.

I understand your argument, it just isn't very sound.

Edited December 15, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Airseven]

Edmunds has proven his worth. The offense needs so much help that I hope they franchise tag him. Can’t open another gaping hole.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Airseven

[DaggersEOD]

Man he’s really turned it around this year. I’ve been pretty down on TE to this point but I’ll admit, he won me over. 
 

The way I’ve grown to understand this D, it requires a space eating plug/DT(s) in the middle and a MLB capable of taking away the middle of the field. 
 

The CB’s, S’s and to some extent the DEs are all system players.

 

Put me in the Must Sign camp for now. 

[BillsVet]

It's a bad indicator when a MLB in this defense has not forced or recovered a fumble in his (EDIT: last) 56 games.  There's definitely improvement, but is it worth a multi-year contract paying 10M per?  You can't justify that cost at a position which even in McD's scheme.   

 

Especially when the defense already has 3 other guys getting paid that or more with their cap challenges they'll fae this off-season.   

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by BillsVet

[billsfan89]

Edumonds has had such a great season and at 24 years old I am inclined to give him a big contract offer over Poyer. I love Poyer and all that he has done but give me the young LB over and older safety looking for a huge payday.

[Luka]

10 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Man he’s really turned it around this year. I’ve been pretty down on TE to this point but I’ll admit, he won me over. 
 

The way I’ve grown to understand this D, it requires a space eating plug/DT(s) in the middle and a MLB capable of taking away the middle of the field. 
 

The CB’s, S’s and to some extent the DEs are all system players.

 

Put me in the Must Sign camp for now. 

 

This isn't how this D is supposed to function, that's why they drafted undersized, freakishly athletic Ed Oliver. The size up on the D Line was to make up for what Edmunds lacks. 

 

Aside from everyone's opinions, I think it's telling that he didn't get an extension in the offseason. Like Phillips and Lawson, he will be allowed to test the market. 

 

And none of those positions you rattled off at the end are system anything. Tre is a top 5 corner when healthy, Poyer is the best free safety in the league and Beane paid a 100 million to get Von Miller... Edmunds isn't in that camp, I don't care how many fan votes he gets. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

Edumonds has had such a great season and at 24 years old I am inclined to give him a big contract offer over Poyer. I love Poyer and all that he has done but give me the young LB over and older safety looking for a huge payday.

 

I'm hoping that Poyer and Beane can come to an agreement for a 1-year deal in the offseason.

$11M with $9M or so guaranteed and Beane pushes a chunk out with a void year.

 

Jordan still can find a team to pay him some coin in 2024.  He can't miss the chance to keep this thing going!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

22 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

It's a bad indicator when a MLB in this defense has not forced or recovered a fumble in his (EDIT: last) 56 games.  There's definitely improvement, but is it worth a multi-year contract paying 10M per?  You can't justify that cost at a position which even in McD's scheme.   

 

Especially when the defense already has 3 other guys getting paid that or more with their cap challenges they'll fae this off-season.   

 

 

 

 

He'd be a steal at $10 mil.  Likely he'll be looking for around $15 mil, Spotrac places him at $14.2 mil.  Prior to this year not likely he'd have got that, now he likely may get $15 particularly when you factor in year to year increases.

 

Edmunds may not have the stats to back up it, but his abilities are vital to Mc'D's scheme so if you don't resign him, you better find a clone to him particularly around size and speed.  And goods luck finding that!  He makes the pass defense so much better do to his size clogging up passing lanes.

[billsfan89]

29 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

He'd be a steal at $10 mil.  Likely he'll be looking for around $15 mil, Spotrac places him at $14.2 mil.  Prior to this year not likely he'd have got that, now he likely may get $15 particularly when you factor in year to year increases.

 

Edmunds may not have the stats to back up it, but his abilities are vital to Mc'D's scheme so if you don't resign him, you better find a clone to him particularly around size and speed.  And goods luck finding that!  He makes the pass defense so much better do to his size clogging up passing lanes.

Edumonds will be 25 next season he should easily be able to play at a high level barring serious injury for the next 4 seasons. Easily worth a long term deal. 

[GreggTX]

I think Edmunds is noticeably better this year. Not a lot of great plays, but a ton of really good ones

 

[julian]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

I wasn’t laying into Edmunds in the slightest, I was responding to someone who was, by presenting a comparison, read it again maybe? 

Lol I know you weren’t, I was just adding to your argument and agreeing with you.

 

 My bad, I’m not very skilled on this forum.

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

He'd be a steal at $10 mil.  Likely he'll be looking for around $15 mil, Spotrac places him at $14.2 mil.  Prior to this year not likely he'd have got that, now he likely may get $15 particularly when you factor in year to year increases.

 

Edmunds may not have the stats to back up it, but his abilities are vital to Mc'D's scheme so if you don't resign him, you better find a clone to him particularly around size and speed.  And goods luck finding that!  He makes the pass defense so much better do to his size clogging up passing lanes.

Done

 

[JerseyBills]

17 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

Tremaine needs to resigned.! 

He should be priority #1 in the offseason imo

[Matt_In_NH]

17 hours ago, BillsVet said:

multi-year contract paying 10M per

It will be more closer to 20M than 10M.  If he agreed to 10M that would be a steal.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Matt_In_NH

[LeGOATski]

14 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Done

 

agreed, same type of player. I think if they let Tremaine walk, they'd have to replace him with someone in the 1st, the only place you'll find the same intangibles, but that's sort of spinning your wheels. Most people here would rather see OL or WR in the 1st, not another defense pick.

19 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The AAV will be fair for both sides.  Next year's cap will be low as a lot of cash will go to signing bonus.

I'm thinking it will be 5 years somewhere around $70M ($14M per year).  2023 cap hit around $8M.

I don't think 14m per gets it done, but that would be fine with me. He can get 16m per easy.

[colin]

our FO is gonna have to figure who can be replaced at a greater value (cost/picks) than who we have.  poy, edmunds, and gotta think about oliver and gabe davis coming up too.

 

given we threw money at von, and we play so many dl, i think they won't sign oliver to the big contract he will likely command.  i suspect poyer will get more somewhere else and they don't want to pay out for an older db, so they more or less have to keep tremaine to keep some continuity in the gut fo the d

 

[ColoradoBills]

6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't think 14m per gets it done, but that would be fine with me. He can get 16m per easy.

 

He sure could.  I still think he is going to sign for his "projected worth" and be fine with it.

He won't even test the market.

I'll go with $14.5M per tops.

[benderbender]

Edmunds has only to read the many threads praising him to realize he can go elsewhere for almost 20. We're placing him on a pedestal that even we, his worshippers, cannot reach in the offseason. Woe is we. Woe vs wade. Woe to the republic. 

[Big Turk]

23 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

Man he’s really turned it around this year. I’ve been pretty down on TE to this point but I’ll admit, he won me over. 
 

The way I’ve grown to understand this D, it requires a space eating plug/DT(s) in the middle and a MLB capable of taking away the middle of the field. 
 

The CB’s, S’s and to some extent the DEs are all system players.

 

Put me in the Must Sign camp for now. 

 

Mostly people are simply noticing what he does in coverage more now for some reason - maybe injuries to so many starters.  Pretty mind boggling how people didn't see this prior to this year and his importance in the Bills pass defense schemes. 

 

Kinda of reminds me of the scene in Field of Dreams where they are sitting in the stands watching the game and the Brother keeps saying they are crazy and they are seeing all these made up people until Doc Graham comes off the field to save the little girl from choking, then he turns with astonishment and says "Where did all these people come from??"

 

That's how I feel most Bills fans are with Edmunds.

 

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Big Turk

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I like Edmunds but I’m not paying him that much more than Moreno. He’s good in coverage and a solid tackling LB. If he had any pass rush moves I would say he’s in the top 10. Not work it to break the bank on him when there is a very big group of college LB’ers that can do the same thing.

[DapperCam]

Edmunds is really hard to judge for an average fan. He seems to never make a big play (sack, turnover, tackle for loss, pass defended). On the other hand the defense seems to take a step back when he isn’t out there.

 

His role in McDermott’s defense seems to be to use his speed and size to lock down the middle of the field in coverage and then fly to the ball for support in running plays and short passing plays.

 

I wouldn’t give him a big pay day and think what he brings can be replaced for cheaper than he’s going to get. Use that cap on the offense!