Why do some Bills fans refuse to have confidence in this team?

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

get past the Chiefs in the playoffs....

 

I think they will especially if they can get the game in OP.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

I think they will especially if they can get the game in OP.

 

hope so, but that 13 seconds didn't happen because they were away...

[BruceVilanch]

I was over it for the most part, and, like an idiot I thought the chiefs game was over with 13 left. I think it's the years and years of being bad, mixed with music city miracle, mixed with wide right, mixed with leodis fumble, topped off with 13 seconds leads to apprehension. I'm slowly getting over it though.

[Airseven]

1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said:

I was over it for the most part, and, like an idiot I thought the chiefs game was over with 13 left. I think it's the years and years of being bad, mixed with music city miracle, mixed with wide right, mixed with leodis fumble, topped off with 13 seconds leads to apprehension. I'm slowly getting over it though.

 

Yep. I was ecstatic at :13 for a moment. Then I sat down and said aloud, " show me how to lose this."

[dpberr]

Unfulfilled expectations is the source of a lot of fear, anger and pain in life.  If you think about the times you've felt the most angry, the source of it is likely an expectation you had of something happening or not happening, and the opposite of that occurred.  

 

I often find people who couch their enthusiasm for the Bills do so out of not wanting to experience the physical pain of disappointment, because they feel it deeply.  

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

Yep. I was ecstatic at :13 for a moment. Then I sat down and said aloud, " show me how to lose this."

No one cares

[Livinginthepast]

I've been a Bills fan since the 1979 season. That's 43 years! In that time period, the Bills have had some of the highest highs but have suffered some of the most excruciating, heart breaking losses. Wide right (or the other 3 SBS), Harmon's drop in Cleveland in 88, the Home run throwback in 99 and the "brand new" 13 seconds debacle. All of these make you 2nd guess any premature overconfidence in this team.  A SB win will erase a lot of these ghosts but until then fans of my age will be a bit gun shy about being all in.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Livinginthepast

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

14 hours ago, Maybe Someday said:

My guess is a once bitten twice shy kind of thing. 

or bitten a hundred times or so? 

[teef]

maybe people just need to sack up a bit.  

[FilthyBeast]

I'm not doubting this team anymore, they have proven they are among the class of the NFL. But totally understand the anxiety a lot of fans still have especially coming out of a bye week fat and possibly not staying hungry after such a great start to the year and winning in KC again.

 

Only lingering question remains is what they do in the postseason and if they can finally beat the Chiefs when it actually matters should the scenario manifest itself again but until then this team has the inside track to the #1 seed as long as they stay on task which means not overlooking a struggling packers team on SNF.

[st pete gogolak]

It's Wide Right.  It's the Music City Miracle.  It's 13 Seconds.  Toss in the Harmon Drop, "Just Give It To Them", the Hail Murray and a few others.  Sprinkle in a little Sabres history too (No Goal).  If there was a Super Bowl win mixed in with the rest, it wouldn't be nearly as bad, but there isn't so we feel especially snake bitten.  

 

Let me add a comment on thirteen seconds.  I thought we had the game won but only for a millisecond.  Butker has a big leg and I was immediately worried about a very long distance FG (60 plus yards).  He hit from 62 against us last week so that was a legitimate concern.  OK, we screw up the kickoff and no time burned and they are starting from their 25.  To get to makeable FG range (less than 65 yards) they need to go from the 25 to somewhere around our 45.  Thirty yards in 13 seconds with all their timeouts.  As said in Godfather Part II about assassinating Hyman Roth, "Difficult, not impossible."  It was absolutely ludicrous to play a prevent defense with your safeties 30 yards off the line of scrimmage unless you are playing for a tie.  Hell, even if we went for two at the end and converted, KC would have had a legitimate shot at the end zone with the last play of the game.  

 

I do believe, however, that this year will be different.  I can't believe they will ever take their foot off the pedal.  

[4thandGoal]

I have a ton of confidence in this team--  Can they win the Super Bowl? Sure they can? Will they? Breaks and injuries play a big part in the outcome and anything is possible but Bills have best talent in football. 

 

I have confidence in every player and coach on this team. I dont treat anyone as a target or a whipping boy or trash anyone. 

Do I have confidence some whipping boys this year like Zach Moss , Tremaine Edmunds, Isaiah McKenzie should be still on this team. I know they have made mistakes but I have confidence the coaches will make the right decisions.

Did I have confidence in previous years that when fans made Dawson Knox, Mitch Morse, Levi Wallace whipping boys and trade targets--- Yes I did because some players have proved they belong and others take time to make their mark as everyone progresses as a different rate. 

[jletha]

15 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

I’ve been holding off on this post for a couple days

I think you should have held off even longer...like forever.

 

Almost all have confidence in the team but were also allowed to be nervous at times.

[Alphadawg7]

He is still Aaron Rodgers.  I’m very confident we will win by 3 scores.  But every game must be taken seriously every week or you end up losing to a team like the Jags.  On paper, Packers should be much better than they have been playing, they could turn it on in any given week.  
 

But yea…there are plenty of negative fans around here who piss and moan even when we win in a dominant fashion.  

[Mr Wild]

In my life from ages 10 to 27, the Bills didnt make the playoffs.

 

I watched every year that was going to be our year... crumble including years that had big starts. 

 

I have no memories of the Superbowls so these years have been great but when 17 out of 22 years has been disappointment its hard to expect the good ending.

[Sharky7337]

Easy - 

 

Wide right

4 straight SB losses

Music city miracle

Trentative Edward's

17 year drought of being the gimp from pulp fiction for NE's Zed Brady

Vontae Davis

Marcell Darius

Hail Murray

13 seconds

 

Lots of times we should have had something that was a pretty much sure thing, we got the shaft.

 

I mean at some point the karma points we have built up should come but I'm not about to stake my house on it.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Sharky7337

[Airseven]

Another fair question is: how do some fans have total faith in the team?

 

I don't mean fluff fans who refer to the team as "we" and bask in social media attention. I mean fans who can overlook failure and aren't apprehensive about renewed disappointment. I'd like to get to that place!

 

The obvious answer is because it's sports and it doesn't matter. But I ask in the spirit of interwebs conversation.

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

hope so, but that 13 seconds didn't happen because they were away...

Yeah it did.  Now way Butker hits that in a wind tunnel. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Easy - 

 

Wide right

4 straight SB losses

Music city miracle

Trentative Edward's

17 year drought of being the gimp from pulp fiction for NE's Zed Brady

Vontae Davis

Marcell Darius

Hail Murray

13 seconds

 

Lots of times we should have had something that was a pretty much sure thing, we got the shaft.

 

I mean at some point the karma points we have built up should come but I'm not about to stake my house on it.

 

"Just Give it to 'em" Same: "Knocked out Pat's Receiver Makes Catch Out of Bounds." ~How many times should that game have been won, Wade even refused to send his players out for the extra point. 

 

"Bledsoe's Coin Toss Call"

"Thurman's Lost Helmet"

 

Things always regress to mean. Now we're gonna have a $1.4 billion stadium where people are gonna be looking to recoup their PSL and turn a profit on StubHub. 😔

 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Bills2022]

People have confidence in this team. However, if you aren't nervous about playing the Chiefs and Mahomes in the playoffs, you haven't been watching us play the last few years.  This team needs the home field and the bye.  Nobody wants to have to play that extra game while the Chiefs are at home resting and getting healthy.

[hemma]

Years of the relentless (drip..drip..drip) Chinese water torture of the trolls.

[BillsFan619]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

Another fair question is: how do some fans have total faith in the team?

 

I don't mean fluff fans who refer to the team as "we" and bask in social media attention. I mean fans who can overlook failure and aren't apprehensive about renewed disappointment. I'd like to get to that place!

 

The obvious answer is because it's sports and it doesn't matter. But I ask in the spirit of interwebs conversation.

 

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

People have confidence in this team. However, if you aren't nervous about playing the Chiefs and Mahomes in the playoffs, you haven't been watching us play the last few years.  This team needs the home field and the bye.  Nobody wants to have to play that extra game while the Chiefs are at home resting and getting healthy.

 

2 hours ago, jletha said:

I think you should have held off even longer...like forever.

 

Almost all have confidence in the team but were also allowed to be nervous at times.

Great question, Airseven.

 

My intent of the question wasn’t from a place of 100% confidence all the time or no nervousness at all. Even with this team, they’ve lost in heartbreaking fashion. The intent wasn’t overlooking anyone either.

 

That said, we’re at a level where fans don’t have to go in to every game (I get being nervous going into games against stiffer competition) as the “nervous” mafia. That was more my point as it seems like it still happens against middling teams. We’re even at a point where facing good competition should have us pretty confident as well.

 

As I mentioned in my original post, it seems like some fans when facing a middling team will point out one of the opposing teams strengths or one of our weaknesses and not focus on the nine strengths we have going into the game. I attached part of my post below that will hopefully clarify.
 

The intent was also about why some don’t give this team or the coaches the benefit of the doubt when we struggle for a quarter, a half, a game or even a stretch of the season. We’re way beyond that as a team. Many great teams still go through games and stretches where they struggle.

Bills2022 and jletha, thanks for your thoughts. I wasn’t saying that there will never be nerves. I acknowledged that there will be especially against stiffer competition. I still get nervous before games and in games as well. I attached part of my post below that will hopefully clarify.

“I think most fans get that we’re not gonna win every game and that the jags game or any given Sunday game could happen once or possibly twice a year. Why not go into some games (I say some games because I get being nervous going into a game like the Chiefs, Ravens or another good team but against teams like the Steelers, Jets or another middling team?) confident and then if there is an “any given Sunday” or “Jags game” outcome then just chalk it up as such. We’re at a level where we can enjoy this team without having to worry about every negative, weakness or game.”

Edited October 27, 2022 by BillsFan619

[78thealltimegreat]

You think this is bad after Buffalo lost to the Pats in the wind game last year. People where talking how we had our chance, it was a good run, Allen’s contract is going to prevent us from building anything in the future. You know morons.

Heck if you read the thread of the Chiefs game these people come out when the offense goes a quarter without scoring a td and Josh Allen needed to be traded ASAP and I’m not joking. 

[Sharky7337]

To add on to my previous post: 

 

When your teams 30 for 30 special is about losing.... well....ummm...

[Slack_in_MA]

Aside from all the historical disappointments already mentioned, pessimism always *sounds* smarter than optimism because optimism sounds like a sales pitch while pessimism sounds like someone trying to help you. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah it did.  Now way Butker hits that in a wind tunnel. 

 

So you're saying that Butker, who is 91% in December and January definitely would  have missed a 49 yarder because it might have been too windy that night in Buffalo (which mustered only 8mph winds the week before)?

 

...and that the 13 seconds that preceded/allowed that kick would somehow not have happened in Buffalo...because he would have missed the kick?   

 

That's hard to follow

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

So you're saying that Butker, who is 91% in December and January definitely would  have missed a 49 yarder because it might have been too windy that night in Buffalo (which mustered only 8mph winds the week before)?

 

...and that the 13 seconds that preceded/allowed that kick would somehow not have happened in Buffalo...because he would have missed the kick?   

 

That's hard to follow

 

 

Yes. Home field would have played an advantage.  And... They would have had it on an 18°, cold snowy night in Orchard Park had they have not been robbed by the Refs in the Tampa Bay game.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yes. Home field would have played an advantage.  And... They would have had it on an 18°, cold snowy night in Orchard Park had they have not been robbed by the Refs in the Tampa Bay game.

 

 

 

It was cold with light winds 5-10 mph (12+ in KC).

 

I see no reason to conclude with that certainty that this guy would have missed that kick in Buffalo. 

[Bricks]

It's because we're already waiting for the downside.   We're so used to that, we feel comfortable there, just saying....

[Steptide]

I have alot of confidence in this bills team. However, I lived through 17 years of the drought, and while this is a completely different team, some of those old memories come back to haunt me at times, and honestly I never wanna go through something like "13 seconds" ever again. I'd rather the bills lose by 20 in a playoff game than to go through that again. I'd say I'm cautiously confident on a week to week basis. 

[Buffalo03]

Some people just have to be negative all the time. I have a friend that will call me after a good win and complain about the one or two bad things that happened during the game. He's also the type where we could be winning a game 40-0 and we'll sack the QB and he'll be like "yeah, but it was a coverage sack" and I'm always like "dude, it's a f*cking sack". It's insane lol

[NewEra]

On 10/26/2022 at 7:45 PM, ScottLaw said:

I fully expect them to come away with the one seed and lose at most three more games this season…at most…… But this season is SB or bust so I’ll be skeptical of this starting offensive line and WR depth until they actually do win it all, because if they don’t I have no doubt  it will be because of one or both of those two units or the coaching staff

Lies.  I fixed it for ya.  You aren’t 💯 sure that the coaching staff won’t ef this up 

[BillsFanForever19]

PTSD

[GolfandBills]

I think it’s a defense mechanism from years of being let down.  I know i find myself thinking “here we go” soon as something goes wrong in a game.  

Edited October 28, 2022 by GolfandBills

[Chandler#81]

On 10/26/2022 at 10:18 PM, julian said:

*looking for the 1st inevitable “remember the Jags” post

You don’t come here much, do you? There’s been at least 1 per week for a year now..

[julian]

41 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

You don’t come here much, do you? There’s been at least 1 per week for a year now..

Since you asked, Everyday like some crackhead lol

[Coldfronts]

25 years of Bills induced PTSD will have that effect 

[strive_for_five_guy]

6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Some people just have to be negative all the time. I have a friend that will call me after a good win and complain about the one or two bad things that happened during the game. He's also the type where we could be winning a game 40-0 and we'll sack the QB and he'll be like "yeah, but it was a coverage sack" and I'm always like "dude, it's a f*cking sack". It's insane lol

We win the Super Bowl, and some will complain that we should have won one earlier, or that this one means nothing until we win a few more, etc.

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

We win the Super Bowl, and some will complain that we should have won one earlier, or that this one means nothing until we win a few more, etc.

 

If the Bills win the Super Bowl, then the celebration/party in WNY will be legendary. I would make the 6 hour drive from NJ just to be there. I would imagine Bills fans all around the world will try to get to WNY just to be a part of it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 10/26/2022 at 9:21 PM, BillsFan619 said:

Why do some fans choose not to have confidence in this team?

you can’t fix stupid 

 

you can’t take the “fan” out of clueless people like Nick Write who’s oft wrong 😑