All your juicy Odell Beckham gossip

[HOUSE]

Are we a Superbowl contender?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-news-super-bowl-contendants-shut-the-door-for-odell-beckham-jr-to-join-them/ar-AA153Y6m?li=BBnb7Kz

[BRH]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Is that possible?  I thought there was a rule you had to draft a defensive tackle with your first pick.

 

 

 

 

Which we have done (checks notes) four times in 57 years.

7 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

The WR’s is the 2020 class might go down as the best ever.  Gabe fell in our laps because of how many other talented receivers were drafted before him.  

 

We traded our first-rounder in that draft for Stefon Diggs.  What's your point?

[TheWeatherMan]

5 minutes ago, BRH said:

We traded our first-rounder in that draft for Stefon Diggs.  What's your point?

I have no point other that what’s verbatim in my post.  There’s not too many drafts where WR’s the caliber of Davis are available in the 4th.  The 2020 WR class was deep!

Edited December 10, 2022 by TheWeatherMan

[BRH]

14 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

The only way he's going to draw any coverage away from Diggs or anybody else is if he first gives teams a compelling reason to do so.

 

That may be so, but Diggs hasn't really shown that he needs someone to draw coverage away from him.  He draws coverage away from others and still makes plays.  I'm not looking at OBJ as a decoy.  I'm looking at him as a better option than what we have out there to take advantage of the opportunities that Diggs creates.

Edited December 10, 2022 by BRH

[BillsFan4]

21 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Are we a Superbowl contender?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-news-super-bowl-contendants-shut-the-door-for-odell-beckham-jr-to-join-them/ar-AA153Y6m?li=BBnb7Kz

wtf is a contendant? I’ve never heard that word before and the article uses it numerous times.

 

do they mean contender? 

[Punching Bag]

24 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Are we a Superbowl contender?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-news-super-bowl-contendants-shut-the-door-for-odell-beckham-jr-to-join-them/ar-AA153Y6m?li=BBnb7Kz

 

Considering some of links in it and grammar I would not take it seriously.  Looks like one of the manuals I get which were written overseas.

[4merper4mer]

18 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

wtf is a contendant? I’ve never heard that word before and the article uses it numerous times.

 

do they mean contender? 

I think there were contendants on Hogan’s Heroes.

[TheFunPolice]

17 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Considering some of links in it and grammar I would not take it seriously.  Looks like one of the manuals I get which were written overseas.

 

Those articles are the worst! Scroll forever, click through 5 different ads, click off the video ad that auto loads, click back after you realize you just missed the X and instead clicked the video itself and were redirected to some product website, scroll some more looking for the point, and finally finding something you either knew a week ago or is nonsense.

 

Half of the recipes online are the same format. Just the worst! 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Simon]

20 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Half of the recipes online are the same format.

 

For some reason the newly popular "Jump to recipe" button strikes me as having some sort of cultural significance that I cant quite put a finger on. 

[Tanoros]

On 10/12/2022 at 4:32 AM, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Im actually sick of hearing about OBJ.  I don't think the Bills need him.  And, as mentioned earlier, he had an ACL injury in Feb.  If the Bills go after anyone, I hope it's a O lineman.

We are in the middle of the season, what o linemen do you suggest? OBJ is available and can help take our offense to another level (especially if the run game stays improved like the last couple weeks). 
 

Also, as mentioned, Robert Woods tore his ACL mid November last year and was back for the start of the season. A big factor being that DB’s put more strain on their ACL’s and play more reps than a number 3 wr. 
 

Probably best to stay out of an OBJ thread if your sick of hearing about him. Because your presence and comment show that you want to hear/talk about him 🤦‍♂️

[PayDaBill$]

I’ve seen stories referring to OBJ’s prior surgery as botched & his knee called a ticking time bomb.  With teams stepping back we want a part of this… why?

Edited December 10, 2022 by PayDaBill$

[HOUSE]

It's a dud

 

https://nypost.com/2022/12/10/signing-drama-odell-beckham-tried-to-create-ended-up-being-a-dud/amp/

[The Red King]

I think the whole "not willing to work out" thing kinda deflated all of this hype, for us, for the Bills, 'boys and Giants.  That one act completely changed the tone and now it almost seems like everyone is rapidly losing interest.  He did it to himself, really.

[strive_for_five_guy]

57 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

It's a dud

 

https://nypost.com/2022/12/10/signing-drama-odell-beckham-tried-to-create-ended-up-being-a-dud/amp/

The window dressing theory has crossed my mind too.  Similar to this writer’s theory with the Giants, Beane may have just hosted OBJ as a courtesy to the likes of Von, without a super strong intent to sign unless being blown away.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

It's a dud

 

https://nypost.com/2022/12/10/signing-drama-odell-beckham-tried-to-create-ended-up-being-a-dud/amp/

 

I find this part of the article interesting and confusing.

 

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After having visited the Bills earlier this week, the third among his teams of choice for a visit, Beckham announced he’s headed home to Arizona to consult with family and make a decision on where he plans to take his talents next.

 

So are they saying he visited the Bills again after the Cowboys? And are they implying that they know Buffalo is third on his list of choices?

[BillsfaninChicago]

19 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Considering some of links in it and grammar I would not take it seriously.  Looks like one of the manuals I get which were written overseas.

It looks like one of those “Top 50 of your favorite celebrities that got fat. Try not to cry when you see number 31” links.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I find this part of the article interesting and confusing.

 

 

So are they saying he visited the Bills again after the Cowboys? And are they implying that they know Buffalo is third on his list of choices?

I don’t think so…I think they meant buffalo was the final of his three scheduled visits and they worded it weird  

[Beck Water]

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport summarizes what he knows to date:

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/no-deal-imminent-for-odell-beckham-jr-following-free-agency-visits

 

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In short, here is where it all stands:

No timeline for a decision from Beckham.

No firm answer on what a contract would look like, with monetary details not discussed in detail with any party.

All teams felt confident in Beckham's rehab from a torn ACL, with the surgery having gone well and the timeline being what was expected. But 10 months out from his second ACL tear, Beckham is just not ready to play.

Beckham did not work out or run routes for teams, despite clubs clamoring for more information. While he has done some route running, he hasn't put pads on and hasn't run his full route tree. That left teams with more unknowns than knowns.

 

If Rapoport is correct (and he has good connections to teams and players) Beckham was not offered anything close to a firm contract from any team. 

 

Beckham is not ready to play football at this time

 

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Beckham was a guest on LeBron James' Thursday Night Football alternate feed of The Shop this week, and he addressed his free agency with a bluntness no one was anticipating. He described wanting the stable environment of a football team, that regular schedule as he works to get back.

 

"I've played football for a long time," Beckham said. "I'm not saying I couldn't step in and play (in the) regular season, but I don't see the point. I really don't. I'd rather play when that pressure's on."

 

At this point, it's looking less likely that he'll have the opportunity.

 

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A source close to Beckham said the receiver came away impressed with all the franchises but left with a lot to digest. Beckham originally came into the process wanting a big-money, multi-year deal in a place where he could finish his career. But while he considers his options now, he's weighing various scenarios.

 

Is a multi-year deal the best route? With the salary cap expected to increase, perhaps a one-year contract is better? Or maybe the best option is to wait until free agency in March -- or really, whenever he wants to sign since he will be 100% healthy by then. He'd once again be one of the top free agents.

 

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There are questions abound for teams, as well. Without watching him run routes and do a full workout, they might not know enough to make a full decision. And the best way to get ready to help in the playoffs is to play during the regular season, but it doesn't seem like that is in the cards for Beckham. Thus, the wait.

 

There are scenarios in which Beckham signs with a team. One would be if he signs somewhere for little money in 2022 (considering he won't play much or at all this season) but big money the following season. Another would be a low-money, one-year deal. But do those make sense for all parties?

 

Reading between the lines, it doesn't sound as though any of the three teams were prepared at this time to offer a "big money multi-year deal" to a 32 yr old coming off his 2nd ACL surgery, who is not yet running a full route tree in football gear, and who claims he is ready to contribute to the playoffs but "doesn't see the point" of playing in the regular season.

 

From what Rapoport wrote, teams were prepared to offer a low-money 2022 deal with a big-money (maybe incentivized) contract the following season or a low-money 1 yr deal.  But that might not make sense for Beckham.  He could play well and contribute, then be well aligned for a multi-year FA deal.  Or he could get injured again and have nothing.

 

I say take down the tent on this circus. 

 

Frankly, the only way to get into the playoffs is to grind for 17 games.  And as McDermott would say "nothing is given, everything is earned."  We see year after year teams who were expected to contend, like the Rams and Denver, fizzle while teams from whom little was expected, like the Seahawks, Eagles, and Vikings, rise.  The whole idea of a guy who explicitly states that "he doesn't see the point" of him grinding away to earn a playoff berth, he wants to walk in with fresh legs and grab at the ring, just strikes me as troublesome to team cohesion.

 

23 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Are we a Superbowl contender?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-news-super-bowl-contendants-shut-the-door-for-odell-beckham-jr-to-join-them/ar-AA153Y6m?li=BBnb7Kz

 

We're not the contender discussed in that article.

 

He's talking about the Eagles

 

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The Philadelphia Eagles are one of the top Super Bowl contendants for this year. They have a very solid team, so that's why they have closed their doors to the possibility of signing Odell Beckham Jr. this season.

Head Coach Nick Sirianni adressed the situation after reportes asked him about the possibility of signing the wide receiver. Unfortunately for OBJ, there's no chance for him to play for Philadelphia soon.

 

Given that the Eagles have AJ Brown and Devonte Smith, and are #26 in the league for passing attempts, why would they want him?

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

19 hours ago, Tanoros said:

We are in the middle of the season, what o linemen do you suggest? OBJ is available and can help take our offense to another level (especially if the run game stays improved like the last couple weeks). 
 

Also, as mentioned, Robert Woods tore his ACL mid November last year and was back for the start of the season. A big factor being that DB’s put more strain on their ACL’s and play more reps than a number 3 wr. 
 

Probably best to stay out of an OBJ thread if your sick of hearing about him. Because your presence and comment show that you want to hear/talk about him 🤦‍♂️

Lol at you responding to a post I made on Oct 12, page one of this thread.  What is your intention here? Looking for an argument?  Run along child. 

[Tanoros]

27 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Lol at you responding to a post I made on Oct 12, page one of this thread.  What is your intention here? Looking for an argument?  Run along child. 

I didn’t see the date of the post. However, it still doesn’t change what I say as being true. It’s hard not to respond to all whiney posters around here. 

[Warriorspikes51]

this thread cannot die!   Cowboys sign TY Hilton. Presumably out on OBJ

[DJB]

 

[Captain Caveman]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:57 PM, HOUSE said:

It's a dud

 

https://nypost.com/2022/12/10/signing-drama-odell-beckham-tried-to-create-ended-up-being-a-dud/amp/

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

So OBJ went on his visits and the Cowboys then immediately sign TY Hilton and the Bills add John Brown and potentially Cole Beasley. I'm thinking the visits didn't go as well as OBJ was hoping lol

[The Wiz]

Time to fire up the rumor mill again.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Time to fire up the rumor mill again.

 

 

Oh boy… Get ‘er done Beane! Don’t care if it’s just in time for playoffs. 

[billieve420]

OBJ needs to settle on deal for remainder of the season if I was Beane. I don't care much about him playing in the regular season as long as he is able to practice with team for next month while trying to get up to speed with the offense. Josh and him can put in some work on the side to get some familiarity with each other and some reps in practice once OBJ is comfortable. Team can then determine whether or not he has a chance to contribute in the post season. He can then go look for longer term deal next year but imagine he will need to settle for a 1 yr prove it deal regardless of the team.

[boyst]

41 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Time to fire up the rumor mill again.

 

 

I think that is posturing for several reasons

 

1) keep teams thinking they want him so that'll maybe make someone flinch for him

2) be in his good graces for 2023 (tho I want Myers)

3) make his friends on the team happy

4) he doesn't have to say yes or no or reveal anything with this answer. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

OBJ needs to settle on deal for remainder of the season if I was Beane. I don't care much about him playing in the regular season as long as he is able to practice with team for next month while trying to get up to speed with the offense. Josh and him can put in some work on the side to get some familiarity with each other and some reps in practice once OBJ is comfortable. Team can then determine whether or not he has a chance to contribute in the post season. He can then go look for longer term deal next year but imagine he will need to settle for a 1 yr prove it deal regardless of the team.

 

This makes zero sense for OBJ unless he's in dire need of some pocket change.

 

Play a few games, for little money, no long term deal and risk hurting your long term contract prospects in the offseason?  If he just waits, he'll have plenty of teams interested in him when he's fully healed and able to workout before/during Free Agency. 

[Lost]

45 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Oh boy… Get ‘er done Beane! Don’t care if it’s just in time for playoffs. 

 

Maybe he's just trying to light a fire under Gabe Davis.   He needs to step up or he's not gonna be WR2 much longer

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

This makes zero sense for OBJ unless he's in dire need of some pocket change.

 

Play a few games, for little money, no long term deal and risk hurting your long term contract prospects in the offseason?  If he just waits, he'll have plenty of teams interested in him when he's fully healed and able to workout before/during Free Agency. 

Which makes me want to offer:

 

3 years (including 2022) @ $9mm, $300k for this year + $1.2mm kicked at end of year. Then $3mm the next two years with incentives to max out at $9mm/yrs

 

We would include an opt out for us at the end of the year this season and an opt out for him with the remaining $3mm at the end of 2023 season. This way if he uses next year and "proves it" and wants to go to the open market, good luck. Or we can work out a long term deal, too.

 

[billieve420]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

This makes zero sense for OBJ unless he's in dire need of some pocket change.

 

Play a few games, for little money, no long term deal and risk hurting your long term contract prospects in the offseason?  If he just waits, he'll have plenty of teams interested in him when he's fully healed and able to workout before/during Free Agency. 

 

Yeah if he wants to make a run at another Super Bowl whether that is here or another team those are the sacrifices you need to make. If he is more concerned about his long term earning potential he should look to come back in 2023. I don't see any team handing him long term deal this year. Come next year any deal will also probably be considered 1 yr prove it deal with added years tacked on if he can prove that is healthy and able to perform at high level.

Edited December 14, 2022 by billieve420

[TheFunPolice]

I agree that OBJ is in a bit of a tight spot here.

 

On the one hand, teams will be worried about the knee and hesitant to sign him for big $$ this offseason if they don't see first that he can still be a force. 

 

On the other hand, if the knee pops again he's done. 

 

It sucks for the player, because he was on his way to a possible Super Bowl MVP type performance when the knee went out and let the Bengals back into the game. But with the ACL tearing 2 years in a row and him getting up there a little in years teams are going to be cautious. 

[HappyDays]

Looks like we're at the end of the road.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 12/14/2022 at 2:44 PM, TheFunPolice said:

I agree that OBJ is in a bit of a tight spot here.

 

On the one hand, teams will be worried about the knee and hesitant to sign him for big $$ this offseason if they don't see first that he can still be a force. 

 

On the other hand, if the knee pops again he's done. 

 

It sucks for the player, because he was on his way to a possible Super Bowl MVP type performance when the knee went out and let the Bengals back into the game. But with the ACL tearing 2 years in a row and him getting up there a little in years teams are going to be cautious. 

 

 

Is it a tight spot?   He doesn't have to play this season.

 

I've wondered from the outset why he would even want to come back this season at all.

 

I'm sure if he had a great workout for teams in early March he'd be in great position to get a big contract in what promises to be a fairly weak WR market.

[Warriorspikes51]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Looks like we're at the end of the road.

 

 

 

As much as I wanted OBJ, Beasley can be more impactful starting tomorrow. 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

As much as I wanted OBJ, Beasley can be more impactful starting tomorrow. 

 

 

I'm not going to downplay it...........the Bills really need a route versatile WR2..........but you don't always get a chance to change the dynamic of your offense in season.   

 

You gotta' take care of business when the market is flush with options.........the offseason.........and Beane dropped that ball.

 

As a Yankees fan I can attest that even teams that win all the time need to be reminded to do this.     Yankees have become a team that waits until the trade deadline to make deals and it's cost them.    I think Beane thought he could try to get by with a couple low cost fliers at slot receiver and elevate Davis to WR2 by himself and if that didn't work he could find help at the deadline.    No dice this year.

 

Beasley will help them be better at what they've become.........a station to station offense that relies on Allen running 6-10 times per game to be effective. 

[Bubba Gump]

34 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Looks like we're at the end of the road.

 

 

 

Wonder if Jerruh and OBJ are just working out the minor details of the contract over a big fat bag of blow.

[Mr. WEO]

On 12/14/2022 at 12:45 PM, Lost said:

 

Maybe he's just trying to light a fire under Gabe Davis.   He needs to step up or he's not gonna be WR2 much longer

 

Davis is already on the way to his best season with the Bills.  The major change form last year (when everyone was high on him) is a drop rate from 7.9 to 9.9%--neither good.  But he is much more productive overall this season than any other.  

 

He isn't going to become a better receiver without more targets. 

 

Looking for an often injured WR with a catch rate in the low to mid 50%'s and 40 YPG for a ton of money?  OBJ is that guy.

 

Pass...

[KDIGGZ]

The Cowgirls are a border-line wildcard team. I don't want to say they have zero shot at going deep in the playoffs so I'll give them a 1% chance. Parsons is the real deal