Einstein Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, bobobonators said: That was ugly to watch. You could say if he makes 2 catches on that video we only have 1 loss this season. Absolutely. 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: We’ve beaten every division leader in the afc. We can beat anyone, we don’t need anyone. Additional playmakers would help us and make us more formidable, but we don’t need them to win a super bowl We beat every division leader before losing Crowder and Kumerow, didn’t we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Since1981 said: SDiggs “Meet my boyz neighbor Squirrel Winter” TDiggs “ Meet my Mavs neighbor Mark Cuban” Mark Cuban is completely incapable of attracting stars to Dallas so this may be a good thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: Absolutely. We beat every division leader before losing Crowder and Kumerow, didn’t we? Not the chiefs….. the best of them all and the only one we’re really worried about come the playoffs. that’s a weak premise for your argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billsatlastin2018 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, balln said: Post of the year. Could have added “Josh’s house in suburbs and neighbor to an old man farmer named squirrel” Yeah! 😂 NO *****! 😂😂😂😂🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Yeah, screw this guy. He's a perfect fit for Dallas. (And I don't mean that as a compliment. ) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Einstein said: Whether it be Beckham or someone else, we need help. Davis replaced his hands with bricks over the off-season. That’s just nasty, IMHO. FWIW, Diggs has the same number of scored drops as Davis (on more targets, of course) and a number of “damn, can’t believe he didn’t get that one” catches. Just as you can make any player look marvelous if you put together a highlight film, you can make any player look terrible if you put together a lowlight film. 44 minutes ago, bobobonators said: That was ugly to watch. You could say if he makes 2 catches on that video we only have 1 loss this season. You could also put together a highlight film of Davis and say if he drops a couple of those we have 5 losses. Look, Davis has had his struggles and he needs to “be the man he can be” and step up his game, but I hate this “let’s flog the whipping boy” approach. Edited December 6, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: That’s just nasty, IMHO. FWIW, Diggs has the same number of scored drops as Davis (on more targets, of course) and a number of “damn, can’t believe he didn’t get that one” catches. Diggs has no where near as many drops in my remembrance. The official drop stats are a joke. 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: Not the chiefs….. the best of them all and the only one we’re really worried about come the playoffs. Thanks for reminding me. 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: that’s a weak premise for your argument This wasn’t needed. No idea why people have to resort to this kind of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: Diggs has no where near as many drops in my remembrance. The official drop stats are a joke. Thanks for reminding me. This wasn’t needed. No idea why people have to resort to this kind of stuff. Sorry, it’s weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Diggs has no where near as many drops in my remembrance. The official drop stats are a joke. And do you only remember 10 Aaron Judge HRs this year so he is a Punch and Judy hitter now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: And do you only remember 10 Aaron Judge HRs this year so he is a Punch and Judy hitter now? Feel free to find 3 straight minutes of Diggs drops from this year. You can’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 Beckham says it's a "good possibility" he will sign with the Cowboys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Simon said: Beckham says it's a "good possibility" he will sign with the Cowboys Hopefully we drove his price up and the cowboys give him a ridiculous contract 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Hopefully we drove his price up and the cowboys give him a ridiculous contract Then they take a photo on Jerry's yacht and the rest is history 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Whether it be Beckham or someone else, we need help. Davis replaced his hands with bricks over the off-season. Meh. Bigger then the drops is how little separation there is on almost all those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Beck Water said: That’s just nasty, IMHO. FWIW, Diggs has the same number of scored drops as Davis (on more targets, of course) and a number of “damn, can’t believe he didn’t get that one” catches. Just as you can make any player look marvelous if you put together a highlight film, you can make any player look terrible if you put together a lowlight film. You could also put together a highlight film of Davis and say if he drops a couple of those we have 5 losses. Look, Davis has had his struggles and he needs to “be the man he can be” and step up his game, but I hate this “let’s flog the whipping boy” approach. Im not flogging anyone. Hes near the top of the league in drops and some of those drops were ugly. This is may be the first time I’ve commented on Davis’ drops on this message board, so relax. Im not the guy who comes here after a win and demands everyone be fired bc it wasn’t by 30pts (not saying you do). Edited December 6, 2022 by bobobonators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, OZBILLS said: Then they take a photo on Jerry's yacht and the rest is history Lol the yacht curse…I think everyone in that picture has suffered some kind of horrifying injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cablesabres68 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Simon said: Beckham says it's a "good possibility" he will sign with the Cowboys Not saying he won't sign there but what else is he supposed to say? Nah I'm just here for the free stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Whether it be Beckham or someone else, we need help. Davis replaced his hands with bricks over the off-season. The entire video had 14 throws… And not all of them were easy catches Does he need to get his hands together, yea… But the caption of the video would make you think there’s 40 throws being dropped 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The entire video had 14 throws… And not all of them were easy catches Does he need to get his hands together, yea… But the caption of the video would make you think there’s 40 throws being dropped Yea I’m not concerned about the “drops.” Why can’t he get half as open as Jaylen Waddle. If OBJ wants to be here I’ll gladly take it. If 90% wants to be here, gtfo. That’s where I’m at. You have to want to be a part of this - it’s bigger then you. Edited December 6, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The entire video had 14 throws… And not all of them were easy catches Does he need to get his hands together, yea… But the caption of the video would make you think there’s 40 throws being dropped He is lower on the # of targets than a lot of the other #2 WRs. I think if he got the drops together, Josh may target him more. He does need to get more separation too though. Edited December 6, 2022 by What a Tuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Im not flogging anyone. Hes near the top of the league in drops and some of those drops were ugly. This is may be the first time I’ve commented on Davis’ drops on this message board, so relax. Im not the guy who comes here after a win and demands everyone be fired bc it wasn’t by 30pts (not saying you do). Fair point, and I didn’t mean to be singling you out as one of the tar and pitchforks crowd. I should have written to be clear I was speaking more generally there. It’s true that Davis is nearer the top of the league in “drops” than we’d like our #2 receiver to be, and some of them would have been game-impactful plays. I’ve pointed this out before. There have also been balls that aren’t scored drops and were contested, but that we’d really like to have someone besides Diggs who can reliably catch. But it’s also true that he’s made some difficult contested catches that swung the game for the Bills. IMO, it’s also true that Josh Allen has been doing Davis no favors. He routinely throws to him in close coverage and sometimes off target. Anyway, I think we can both agree that Davis needs to up his hands game and his route game. But he seems like a fierce competitor who cares about his craft, so let’s hope he will. Edited December 6, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: That’s just nasty, IMHO. FWIW, Diggs has the same number of scored drops as Davis (on more targets, of course) and a number of “damn, can’t believe he didn’t get that one” catches. Just as you can make any player look marvelous if you put together a highlight film, you can make any player look terrible if you put together a lowlight film. You could also put together a highlight film of Davis and say if he drops a couple of those we have 5 losses. Look, Davis has had his struggles and he needs to “be the man he can be” and step up his game, but I hate this “let’s flog the whipping boy” approach. 20 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Im not flogging anyone. Hes near the top of the league in drops and some of those drops were ugly. This is may be the first time I’ve commented on Davis’ drops on this message board, so relax. Im not the guy who comes here after a win and demands everyone be fired bc it wasn’t by 30pts (not saying you do). Gabe Davis has 35 receptions vs. 67 targets (52%). When Dawson Knox was catching half of his targets, he was getting lamb basted on this board, and rightfully so. For perspective, McKittrick also has 35 receptions .... vs. 50 targets. And inserting Diggs into a Davis conversation is kind of silly. He has 91 receptions vs. 128 targets (71%). They don't belong in the same conversation. I am a big Gabe Davis fan, but he has been a disappointment this season. Yes ... he's on pace to get close to 1000 receiving yards this season and he's made some great catches. But some of his drops have been horrible. Drive killers. Imminent touchdowns. He just needs to be more reliable. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Just now, What a Tuel said: He is lower on the # of targets than a lot of the other #2 WRs. I think if he got the drops together, Josh may target him more. He does need to get more separation too though. Of course … it’s clear to me it’s a concentration thing with his drops he needs to get more consistent with getting separation physically because he has physical skills other WRs don’t… he’ll never be diggs with routes he needs to win physically at the line line moulds or dez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: Gabe Davis has 35 receptions vs. 67 targets (52%). When Dawson Knox was catching half of his targets, he was getting lamb basted on this board, and rightfully so. You’re quite correct on Davis having a low catch %. I thought the concern with Knox, was less the overall target % than the drops. That’s my concern with Davis, anyway - not so much the overall catch % when targeted, but his scored drops, and his failure to haul in some balls that are difficult enough they aren’t drops, but the #1 or 2 WR on a team really should make. As far as his overall catch % I was watching film on a couple games, and frankly, Josh Allen does him no favors. He’s been locking on to Davis as a target and if he can’t make the throw, he throws it away - at best. At worst, he tries to force it in there, resulting in the route being jumped and a pick. But yes, even if we grant him a pass on his overall catch % Davis doesn’t make catches he could and should. 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: And inserting Diggs into a Davis conversation is kind of silly. My intended point, which I’m sure I could have made more clearly, is that if I wanted to put together a film clip of 14 bad plays by Diggs, I could - because as good as he is as a WR, he has had as many scored drops as Davis at this point, and some of them are balls that you look at and say “Damn, you gotta catch that!”. I acknowledged that Diggs does have more targets (and an overall higher catch % of course) so his “good plays” tape would be longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You’re quite correct on Davis having a low catch %. I thought the concern with Knox, was less the overall target % than the drops. That’s my concern with Davis, anyway - not so much the overall catch % when targeted, but his scored drops, and his failure to haul in some balls that are difficult enough they aren’t drops, but the #1 or 2 WR on a team really should make. As far as his overall catch % I was watching film on a couple games, and frankly, Josh Allen does him no favors. He’s been locking on to Davis as a target and if he can’t make the throw, he throws it away - at best. At worst, he tries to force it in there, resulting in the route being jumped and a pick. But yes, even if we grant him a pass on his overall catch % Davis doesn’t make catches he could and should. My intended point, which I’m sure I could have made more clearly, is that if I wanted to put together a film clip of 14 bad plays by Diggs, I could - because as good as he is as a WR, he has had as many scored drops as Davis at this point, and some of them are balls that you look at and say “Damn, you gotta catch that!”. I acknowledged that Diggs does have more targets (and an overall higher catch % of course) so his “good plays” tape would be longer. My Knox reference was to his first two seasons when he was actually getting targets and not catching them. Now he's catching every pass thrown his way, but they are few and far between ... which I trust will change. Re: Diggs ... gotcha. And yes ... Diggs has had some drops that have made me say bad words this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: My Knox reference was to his first two seasons when he was actually getting targets and not catching them. Now he's catching every pass thrown his way, but they are few and far between ... which I trust will change. Re: Diggs ... gotcha. And yes ... Diggs has had some drops that have made me say bad words this season. You’re up late. Get some sleep old man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Gugny said: My Knox reference was to his first two seasons when he was actually getting targets and not catching them. Now he's catching every pass thrown his way, but they are few and far between ... which I trust will change. Understood, that’s what I meant…it wasn’t just Knox bad catch % that was concerning, though, it was his # of drops. To his credit, he faced it and put a lot of work into an eye coordination training program and seems to have improved. I hope you’re right it will change. Knox is open a lot, with (as I said in another thread) often enough green around him to plant a Christmas tree farm and trim the trees on the way to the first down marker. But this year, he’s being used a lot to chip and release, or as the outlet. The reason that’s probably relevant to bring in here, is that when Josh is not looking at Knox and his prospective Christmas Tree Farm, sometimes he’s fixed on Gabe Davis and forces a ball to Davis which would be a total circus catch (if not a hospital ball) if caught, or which is jumped and picked, or just thrown away in Gabe’s direction. 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Re: Diggs ... gotcha. And yes ... Diggs has had some drops that have made me say bad words this season. He’s so good, and he’s the only WR currently on the team who has shown the ability to make those “Damn! OK!!!!” Catches. But he’s 8th for # drops on the listing where Gabe is #3 (of course, as a %, Diggs is lower). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Interesting that the 2 "recruiters" are defensive players Where is dak, Zeke or lamb? If those guys aren't around for the recruiting then ny opinion it's either a done deal with Dallas and not wasting those guys time or Dallas is the team being used to up the price tag and were never an actual contender to sign obj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Re: Diggs ... gotcha. And yes ... Diggs has had some drops that have made me say bad words this season. At least 3 in the last two games by my recollection; definitely 2 in Detroit on Thanksgiving (was there), and I seem to recall a frustrating drop against New England Thursday night. I'm sure there's a site logging weekly drops, but I couldn't find it in the 3 minutes I set aside for such frivolity. Diggs is good enough, and shares a passionate enough love with his QB, that he'll be given critical opportunities to redeem himself each week after early drops (I recall them as early-ish drops the last two weeks). Where's the best site for such granular game stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The entire video had 14 throws… And not all of them were easy catches Does he need to get his hands together, yea… But the caption of the video would make you think there’s 40 throws being dropped Agreed. 3 hours ago, Einstein said: Feel free to find 3 straight minutes of Diggs drops from this year. You can’t. Meanwhile…. Diggs and Davis are tied for the league lead in drops with 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, mrags said: You’re up late. Get some sleep old man That’s the nicest thing anybody said to Gug in a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, bobobonators said: That was ugly to watch. You could say if he makes 2 catches on that video we only have 1 loss this season. And if he makes any 2 catches he is at his average catch % since he's been here. Not sure why people expected a 70+% catch rate when he's had an average around 55%. Should he be better? Absolutely. But sometimes expectations are unrealistic. Maybe he needs some ping pong balls. 😁 Edited December 6, 2022 by LyndonvilleBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Beck Water said: That’s just nasty, IMHO. FWIW, Diggs has the same number of scored drops as Davis (on more targets, of course) and a number of “damn, can’t believe he didn’t get that one” catches. Just as you can make any player look marvelous if you put together a highlight film, you can make any player look terrible if you put together a lowlight film. You could also put together a highlight film of Davis and say if he drops a couple of those we have 5 losses. Look, Davis has had his struggles and he needs to “be the man he can be” and step up his game, but I hate this “let’s flog the whipping boy” approach. Whats the target differential between the two and drop %? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 hours ago, bobobonators said: I get OBJ is a good player. But this dog and pony show is getting kinda ridiculous. He’s not Jefferson. Or Diggs. Or Chase. Or Tyreek. Hes a good WR when fully healthy but some teams are courting him like he’ll completely change a game by himself. 2016 OBJ could. That was 6 yrs ago. Might as well be 60 yrs in nfl yrs You and I basically thought the same thing at the same time. Were you also drinking Blue Light and switching your TV back and forth between MNF and Deadliest Catch? If so...whoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 hours ago, NewEra said: Agreed. Meanwhile…. Diggs and Davis are tied for the league lead in drops with 6. Yeah, but not at a fair comparison, % of drops would be they to look at it. Diggs has a multiple more passes thrown his way than probably almost any other reciever I'm the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 It ain’t happening, folks. The Bills will dance with who brung ‘em. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, eball said: It ain’t happening, folks. The Bills will dance with who brung ‘em. That is fine by me. 9-3 best record in the AFC. For the money and term, he is looking for I would rather Beane improve the WR position in the draft/FA this offseason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) chants for obj in Dallas.... too bad because he would have gotten that here as well had we gotten any news while he was here. he would be a nice add but only if he can actually play this year... Lot's of WR in the draft. (After 0-linemen PLEASE) Edited December 6, 2022 by gordong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Einstein said: Feel free to find 3 straight minutes of Diggs drops from this year. You can’t. 53 minutes ago, foreboding said: Yeah, but not at a fair comparison, % of drops would be they to look at it. Diggs has a multiple more passes thrown his way than probably almost any other reciever I'm the league. Sorry @foreboding, but my comparison is 💯 fair. Look at the post I was replying to. Context is everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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