All your juicy Odell Beckham gossip

[BRH]

11 hours ago, Bad Things said:

Boy, I really don't know what to feel about OBJ joining the Bills.

 

On one hand, great!  It's always good to have talented players on the team, especially if they can push us over the top to win a Super Bowl.

 

However, I can already see the spotlight being shined on HIM if we do win it all.  I would hate to see that.  There are a LOT of players and coaches that have worked years to turn this ship around... OBJ isn't one of them.

 

Anyway, my 2 cents.

 

Completely separate from whether I think we should sign OBJ... I couldn't give a flying ***** who gets the spotlight if we are hoisting the Lombardi in February.

 

As for not working out "on his current tour," it may be that this is just his decision-making process.  He'll decide which team he wants, and then, if they're interested, he'll work out for THAT team only before the team decides whether to offer him a contract.  And if the team decides not to offer him a contract, he may just pack it in until the offseason.  I don't necessarily blame him for not wanting to do three separate workouts, and the teams themselves may want it that way too.  The more teams he works out for, the greater the chance that information from one of those workouts will leak.  Any GM would have to be some kind of moron to actually offer him a contract before seeing what he can do right now.  So he's probably going to the Cowboys.

Edited December 5, 2022 by BRH

[What a Tuel]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Really?  Which is it?  The Bills NEED Beckham as the final piece of the Superbowl puzzle, OR they have the goods without him?  Because I don't think both can be true.

 

You are looking at it wrong. Beckham doesn't get us over the top, he helps increase our chance of winning. So we have the goods to win the Super Bowl, but Beckham helps increase our chances. 

 

That said, he needs to show teams he's ready. If he isn't ready until literally the super bowl game, does he even play? Like do you risk changing what you did to get there just to play him? What if he runs a wrong route? Or the QB and him just aren't in sync and it leads to an INT? There needs to be time to build up a chemistry.

[BillsFan4]

20 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Glazer said all the teams ….“They’re all looking at more long term deals”

Not surprising. OBJ is coming off injury and might not even be back to 100% at all this season. Looking at it from his POV, why would he only sign a deal for the rest of the year? I feel like he would be better off just waiting until the season is over then. He’d have a lot more teams interested I’m sure. Looking at the pool of free agent WR’s for 2023, it looks pretty weak. I think OBJ would be near (or at) the top of the list.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-free-agency-2023-wide-receivers-jakobi-meyers-juju-smith-schuster-allen-lazard

 

If Buffalo signs OBJ I am confident it will be for more than this season. It will likely all come down to what the other teams offer and what OBj is willing to settle for. I don’t see the Bills giving him crazy money. Certainly not the $20M/yr he’s rumored to supposedly want. I could see a 2-3 year deal with incentives and lighter on guaranteed $$ and I’d be good with that. The Bills need a #2 WR to play opposite Diggs. I thought Davis would fill that role. But now I’m not sure he’s capable.

 

I’m also ok with letting him walk if someone else offers him stupid money.

[Yawning Frog]

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Let the Cowboys make this mistake.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

If he can’t contribute this season I don’t think the bills would take him for free.  He’ll get a multi year deal but a majority of the point of why the bills would sign him would be the playoff push this season.  A lot would come down to the physical 

[ColoradoBills]

The guy isn't even working out for teams.  If he can't play full time by the Bengals game, what use is he.

Do fans really think the Bills would sign and play a guy with no time in the system for only the playoffs?

I think it would be a huge disruption and a mistake.

 

I think the juicy rumors have dried up for the Bills.

[Billz4ever]

I'm sure he's going to want a lot of guaranteed money, which I think would be a mistake for whoever signs him.  I'm down for signing him, but only with an incentive-heavy contract.   A guy coming of a second ACL tear of the same knee is going to be a huge question mark when it comes to performance and durability over the course of a 17-game season.

 

As far as this season goes, we have no idea what kind of shape he's in and he's probably looking for a long-term contract, so he may not even do a rental for the remainder of this season.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Billz4ever

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

The guy isn't even working out for teams.  If he can't play full time by the Bengals game, what use is he.

Do fans really think the Bills would sign and play a guy with no time in the system for only the playoffs?

I think it would be a huge disruption and a mistake.

 

I think the juicy rumors have dried up for the Bills.

 

If he truly can't play this season (not sure I buy that), then why would the Cowboys want him for his price tag either?

 

That story came out the day of/after he met with the Giants.  Color me skeptical that it wasn't put out there by the one team who OBJ makes the most sense for if he can't contribute this year.  

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

If he truly can't play this season (not sure I buy that), then why would the Cowboys want him for his price tag either?

 

That story came out the day of/after he met with the Giants.  Color me skeptical that it wasn't put out there by the one team who OBJ makes the most sense for if he can't contribute this year.  

 

The facts are that OBJ is not yet able to work out for teams.  Once he can and gets released to play it will take a few weeks to get

back in game shape.  My point is why would the Bills want that if he isn't ready real soon?

 

What the Cowboys do is their own business, and I could care less if they want to take on a huge risk.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The facts are that OBJ is not yet able to work out for teams.  Once he can and gets released to play it will take a few weeks to get

back in game shape.  My point is why would the Bills want that if he isn't ready real soon?

 

What the Cowboys do is their own business, and I could care less if they want to take on a huge risk.

 

I don't necessarily disagree, I just think the report that he may not play this year was very convenient for the Giants... to come out right after he visited them.

 

I want OBJ here, but will admit that some of the hype has worn off with him not working out for anyone.   

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I don't necessarily disagree, I just think the report that he may not play this year was very convenient for the Giants... to come out right after he visited them.

 

I want OBJ here, but will admit that some of the hype has worn off with him not working out for anyone.   

 

Maybe there is something sinister going on, but I see the "news" coming out because they saw he is still not working out.

[KDIGGZ]

If I got junk mail that said "OBJ Sweepstakes, You Could be a Winner!" I would throw it in the trash. This isn't 2014 OBJ who makes impossible catches. This is a decade and 2 bum knees later. He's lucky to still be in the league at this point 

[Beck Water]

41 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If he truly can't play this season (not sure I buy that)

 

So I think the Buffalo News reporters are still held closer to the AP standard for sources and verification than the Athletic guys or the "NFL insiders".  If a TBN guy says "multiple sources" say he's not working out for the teams he's visiting, it may be true.

 

41 minutes ago, SCBills said:

That story came out the day of/after he met with the Giants.  Color me skeptical that it wasn't put out there by the one team who OBJ makes the most sense for if he can't contribute this year.  

 

I mean, perhaps, but whether he planned to work out for teams could, in theory, be unknown until after he had visited the Giants and then the Bills and reporters found sources to ask "did he work out for your team?" who said "no".

 

33 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

The facts are that OBJ is not yet able to work out for teams.  Once he can and gets released to play it will take a few weeks to get

back in game shape.  My point is why would the Bills want that if he isn't ready real soon?

 

I guess the idea would be, we acquire a great WR for next year.  But for the Bills, I think signing a contract with a guy who can't for-real and for-sure contribute not only this season, but very soon, would be a huge risk to the mental cohesion of the locker room.  It could be sending a message to home-grown talent like Edmunds and Oliver that the Bills talk the talk about draft, develop, re-sign but they might not be walking the walk for you.  It would send a message to the guys who've been busting their humps to help the Bills to 8-3, "you're a Domestique to us.  Throw everything you've got in to every game, play your heart out, then maybe we'll shelve you for the Dance".

 

I fall into the camp who believes that the Bills are, in fact, thin in talent at receiver.  But color me skeptical about the risk/reward of bringing in OBJ if he can't play right now.

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So I think the Buffalo News reporters are still held closer to the AP standard for sources and verification than the Athletic guys or the "NFL insiders".  If a TBN guy says "multiple sources" say he's not working out for the teams he's visiting, it may be true.

 

 

I mean, perhaps, but whether he planned to work out for teams could, in theory, be unknown until after he had visited the Giants and then the Bills and reporters found sources to ask "did he work out for your team?" who said "no".

 

 

I guess the idea would be, we acquire a great WR for next year.  But for the Bills, I think signing a contract with a guy who can't for-real and for-sure contribute not only this season, but very soon, would be a huge risk to the mental cohesion of the locker room.  It could be sending a message to home-grown talent like Edmunds and Oliver that the Bills talk the talk about draft, develop, re-sign but they might not be walking the walk for you.  It would send a message to the guys who've been busting their humps to help the Bills to 8-3, "you're a Domestique to us.  Throw everything you've got in to every game, play your heart out, then maybe we'll shelve you for the Dance".

 

I fall into the camp who believes that the Bills are, in fact, thin in talent at receiver.  But color me skeptical about the risk/reward of bringing in OBJ if he can't play right now.

 

The only person I would worry about "offending" per se, would be Poyer, as an OBJ deal for next year pretty much slams the door shut (it would seem) on him being here next year.  

 

I tend to think Poyer already knows that, especially with us paying him a little extra this season to show him our appreciation, but that's the one... Not a huge worry, but if OBJ isn't helping us win THIS YEAR, I could see Poyer feeling slighted given he's giving this team his all this year, for that sole purpose.. to win a Super Bowl. 

 

Edited December 5, 2022 by SCBills

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

How much for the Beckham / Mayfield pairing?  They could market themselves as 'Touchdowns R Us'!

🤔

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I guess the idea would be, we acquire a great WR for next year.  But for the Bills, I think signing a contract with a guy who can't for-real and for-sure contribute not only this season, but very soon, would be a huge risk to the mental cohesion of the locker room.  It could be sending a message to home-grown talent like Edmunds and Oliver that the Bills talk the talk about draft, develop, re-sign but they might not be walking the walk for you.  It would send a message to the guys who've been busting their humps to help the Bills to 8-3, "you're a Domestique to us.  Throw everything you've got in to every game, play your heart out, then maybe we'll shelve you for the Dance".

 

 

 

This is stuff fans think about far more than players.    The players are worried about their own individual jobs with regard to contracts.   And there are players getting released and signed at the bottom of the roster every week yet somehow fans only concern themselves with how the movement at the top of the roster must look to the locker room.    The majority of the team wants to see the team go for a Super Bowl then and there and let the chips fall where they may thereafter.

[Solomon Grundy]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

The only person I would worry about "offending" per se, would be Poyer, as an OBJ deal for next year pretty much slams the door shut (it would seem) on him being here next year.  

 

I tend to think Poyer already knows that, especially with us paying him a little extra this season to show him our appreciation, but that's the one... Not a huge worry, but if OBJ isn't helping us win THIS YEAR, I could see Poyer feeling slighted given he's giving this team his all this year, for that sole purpose.. to win a Super Bowl. 

 

Hopefully the Bills realize that Poyer is the lynchpin to this defense and re-sign him. He doesn't look like there's a dropoff in his play and the Bills are 8-0 when he plays

[ndirish1978]

Feels like we're just letting ourselves be used to help drive up his value.

[TheFunPolice]

zero interest in any type of "next year" or long term deal. 

 

THIS YEAR is what this would be about. We can draft or sign someone else for next season. If he can't play this year then good luck somewhere else.

 

this guy made it a handful of games and re-tore the same ACL. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

zero interest in any type of "next year" or long term deal. 

 

THIS YEAR is what this would be about. We can draft or sign someone else for next season. If he can't play this year then good luck somewhere else.

 

this guy made it a handful of games and re-tore the same ACL. 

 

Inclined to agree. Would rather draft a 1st round WR. 

[TheFunPolice]

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Inclined to agree. Would rather draft a 1st round WR. 

 

especially since there seem to be so many great young rookie WR every year. 

 

I would rather draft a guy with fresh, untorn ACLs who would be 1/3 the price and zero baggage 

[muppy]

I falsely assumed that IF the Bills were to make such a signing it would be for this years playoffs run. If he wouldnt be playing until next year I would not be as inclined to want to sign him.

 

This decision I will file in "In Beane I trust" file. Their long range plans may or may not include a guy like OBJ. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

The only person I would worry about "offending" per se, would be Poyer, as an OBJ deal for next year pretty much slams the door shut (it would seem) on him being here next year.  

 

I tend to think Poyer already knows that, especially with us paying him a little extra this season to show him our appreciation, but that's the one... Not a huge worry, but if OBJ isn't helping us win THIS YEAR, I could see Poyer feeling slighted given he's giving this team his all this year, for that sole purpose.. to win a Super Bowl.

 

Tre Edmunds is also playing out his 5th year option....  A player never likes to be playing in the final year of his deal.  He's a popular whipping boy here, but IMO the Bills defense is much stronger when both Milano and Edmunds are playing, and Edmunds has been battling injuries to stay out there.  Jordan Phillips also on a 1 yr deal. 

 

You may be correct, but IMHO when you have guys who are battling through ankle injuries, concussions, etc to get and stay on the field like Davis, Kumerow, McKenzie; Crowder said to be fighting to come back this season from a broken leg, Stevenson from a broken foot - I think everybody wants that Superbowl trophy and would be "all in" with adding a true receiving talent who could play in a couple weeks, make the remaining games Ws, earn us home field, and help us hoist a Lombardi.

 

But if, instead, we're adding a guy who takes up a roster spot and $$ but can't play yet; who draws a lot of media attention; and who puts the team through the Tre White "will he play this week or won't he?" wringer - AND who impacts the chances of a long term deal for players who are out there playing their asses off - I dunno, I'm not sure it sounds like great "locker room chemistry".

 

 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

if there is decent $ to spend give it to Poyer, a guy who has EARNED IT here. 

[Beck Water]

39 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

especially since there seem to be so many great young rookie WR every year. 

 

I would rather draft a guy with fresh, untorn ACLs who would be 1/3 the price and zero baggage 

 

And flipping this slightly - Beane "talks the talk" about needing to get strong contributions out of "cheap labor" meaning drafted players and lower-tier FA.  IMHO he has under-invested in quality draft picks on offense.

 

My concern would be, if he goes for another higher-priced vet like OBJ on a long-term deal, added to Diggs, we'll be over-invested in aging vets, and it might keep Beane from making the investment I feel we need in the trenches and at WR.  He'd probably draft a safety or an LB in the 1st round instead.

 

Any concerns about Poyer breaking down and fighting injuries to stay on the field, should apply double or triple to OBJ.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Beck Water

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

And flipping this slightly - Beane "talks the talk" about needing to get strong contributions out of "cheap labor" meaning drafted players and lower-tier FA.  IMHO he has under-invested in quality draft picks on offense.

 

My concern would be, if he goes for another higher-priced vet like OBJ added to Diggs, we'll be over-invested in aging stars, and it might keep Beane from making the investment I feel we need in the trenches and at WR.

 

good OL are so rare because the $$ for big sloppies is at DT or DE

 

Ironically, that makes great OL hugely expensive. It's a paradox! 

 

But if you're an athletic 300+ pound man, the $$ (and also the glory/ star power) is at DL positions

Edited December 5, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[wppete]

I thought OBJ would cost somewhere between $5-$6 million for the remainder of the season but how can he Be serous about asking for $20million? Is this  true? If so no thanks! 

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

I thought OBJ would cost somewhere between $5-$6 million for the remainder of the season but how can he Be serous about asking for $20million? Is this  true? If so no thanks! 

 

that's literally insane for a guy who blew the same ACL twice in 2 years and isn't getting any younger. That's a big no thank you. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

I thought OBJ would cost somewhere between $5-$6 million for the remainder of the season but how can he Be serous about asking for $20million? Is this  true? If so no thanks! 

 

Welllll....we have 5 games left. $5M, or  $1M/game, is $18M over a 17 game, 1 bye season.  Toss in a couple million of incentives and you're there.

[mjt328]

Brandon Beane is bold.  But he isn't reckless.

 

I can't see him getting into a bidding war for OBJ's services, considering that a long-term deal would probably cost us another valuable (current) player.  Especially if Beane isn't VERY confident in his ability to produce this year.  And how can he be confident in OBJ's physical ability, if he isn't working out for teams?

 

This season, we saw what life is like without Jordan Poyer.  We saw what life is like without Tremaine Edmunds.  Both are becoming must-signs.  Then we have Ed Oliver reaching his 5th-Year-Option.  His primary backup Jordan Phillips is also a free agent.  Not to mention valuable pieces like Devin Singletary, Shaq Lawson, Rodger Saffold, Dane Jackson, etc. 

 

I think we would all sadly trade one of these guys, if we knew it greatly increased our chances at winning the Super Bowl in February.  But if the choice is between keeping Poyer/Edmunds/Oliver or having OBJ for NEXT year, then I'm re-signing our current talent.

 

[ehfeuh57]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

The only person I would worry about "offending" per se, would be Poyer, as an OBJ deal for next year pretty much slams the door shut (it would seem) on him being here next year.  

 

I tend to think Poyer already knows that, especially with us paying him a little extra this season to show him our appreciation, but that's the one... Not a huge worry, but if OBJ isn't helping us win THIS YEAR, I could see Poyer feeling slighted given he's giving this team his all this year, for that sole purpose.. to win a Super Bowl. 

 

 

what if he already feels that way with Knox

[Starr Almighty]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So I think the Buffalo News reporters are still held closer to the AP standard for sources and verification than the Athletic guys or the "NFL insiders".  If a TBN guy says "multiple sources" say he's not working out for the teams he's visiting, it may be true.

 

 

I mean, perhaps, but whether he planned to work out for teams could, in theory, be unknown until after he had visited the Giants and then the Bills and reporters found sources to ask "did he work out for your team?" who said "no".

 

 

I guess the idea would be, we acquire a great WR for next year.  But for the Bills, I think signing a contract with a guy who can't for-real and for-sure contribute not only this season, but very soon, would be a huge risk to the mental cohesion of the locker room.  It could be sending a message to home-grown talent like Edmunds and Oliver that the Bills talk the talk about draft, develop, re-sign but they might not be walking the walk for you.  It would send a message to the guys who've been busting their humps to help the Bills to 8-3, "you're a Domestique to us.  Throw everything you've got in to every game, play your heart out, then maybe we'll shelve you for the Dance".

 

I fall into the camp who believes that the Bills are, in fact, thin in talent at receiver.  But color me skeptical about the risk/reward of bringing in OBJ if he can't play right now.

Bills had a game vs the Pats on Thursday. They win that game making them 9-3. Other than that I agree with everything you said.

[Greg S]

At this point this is nothing more than a dog and pony show. Let him go to Dallas. No way the Bills should pay big money or given him a multi-year deal. With all the injuries he has had I would rather have Beane upgrade the WR position this coming offseason.

[RunTheBall]

 Only way he signs here is if Beane thinks he can contribute for the playoffs this year and he comes on a team friendly deal

 

[The Red King]

At this point he's not coming, and is just using us to jack up the price for Dallas.  Dallas has already made it clear they will give him anything he wants, whereas Beane would only be willing to offer something reasonable.  I wanted him here for awhile now, but this whole circus has soured me on the idea.  He's playing the teams off one another for hype and attention and is going to go to the team that throws money at him like he was a stripper.

[Charles Romes]

Didn’t the Cowboys just unload Cooper because they could not afford two expensive receivers. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by Charles Romes

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Didn’t the Cowboys just unload Cooper because the my could not afford two expensive receivers. 

That was a reason given, but since then it sounds like Cooper wouldn’t get vaxxed and Jerry Jones shipped him out over it. 

[RocCityRoller]

What is Zach Ertz up to???

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It's like going to check out a high performance car, but you are told: 'You can't drive it', ..'but here is what it is going to cost'.

I didn't see any mention of OBJ on the Bills Website, or Twitter.

That speaks volumes..

Not going to lie .. that almost makes me think we may end up signing him, given the secrecy in which Beane moves.