Christian McCaffrey rumors

[BillsFanForever19]

54 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

This guy is a Panthers podcaster that apparently reported early in the season that there was tension between Panthers players and their DC Phil Snow, and that report turned out to be correct. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

A 2nd and Devin Singletary? Ha! Get the hell outta here.

 

I'm not giving up a 2nd alone for McCaffrey. Let alone give up our best RB and a beloved locker room player.

 

Singletary needs to be here this season if we have McCaffrey. If CMC gets hurt, and the odds of that are VERY high, we're left with Moss and Cook. And neither have been very good this season.

 

The offer is Moss and a 4th. Or a 3rd or a 4th this year, late rounder next year. Maybe you could talk me into Moss and a 3rd, but that's the most I'm doing. Anything beyond that and they can go kick rocks.

Edited October 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, Lost said:

We could have McCaffrey, Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley and none of them would average more than 3yrds/carry with our run blocking. 

 

Sunday vs Steelers Single vary and Moss had 7 hoc and Cook had 7.8.  

 

11 carries all together.  We could have all those guys but they would only get a handful of carries per game.

 

 

 

 

[billsbackto81]

Personally, seeing CMC and OBJ at OBD would be OMG!!

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

A 2nd and Devin Singletary? Ha! Get the hell outta here.

 

I'm not giving up a 2nd alone for McCaffrey. Let alone give up our best RB and a beloved locker room player.

 

Singletary needs to be here this season if we have McCaffrey. If CMC gets hurt, and the odds of that are VERY high, we're left with Moss and Cook. And neither have been very good this season.

 

The offer is Moss and a 4th. Or a 3rd or a 4th this year, late rounder next year. Maybe you could talk me into Moss and a 3rd, but that's the most I'm doing. Anything beyond that and they can go kick rocks.

 

They said no..

[Donuts and Doritos]

Hard pass on Mr. Glass. He hasn't played a full season since 2019. Missed 23 games over the last 2 years. He missed practice time & was questionable just 10 days ago. We need better run blocking out of our Guards to fix the run game.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3117251/christian-mccaffrey

[BigDingus]

I honestly don't think it's smart to give up much for CMC.

 

You just used a 2nd round pick on yet another RB... one that's supposed to be a great receiving threat. That's what CMC is best known for, not his rushing ability (though he's solid there too).

 

Now we're going to trade more picks, just 5 games into the season? We're going to add an expensive, injury-prone RB to the roster when our cap is already going to be strapped next season anyway? 

 

None of that changes our actual O-line or their ability to runblock either, nor does it fix the biggest issue - short yardage situations. 3rd & goal at the 1 yard line, you going to use CMC to pound the ball over what we already have? Is he going to be any better on 4th & inches than just using Josh Allen?

 

He's still an upgrade, but an upgrade at what cost? That's my issue. 

If they win a SB, it's all worth it. But investing huge in another RB (in both cap hit & trade capital) after already using a 2nd this year is not usually a recipe for success.

[njbuff]

2 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I honestly don't think it's smart to give up much for CMC.

 

You just used a 2nd round pick on yet another RB... one that's supposed to be a great receiving threat. That's what CMC is best known for, not his rushing ability (though he's solid there too).

 

Now we're going to trade more picks, just 5 games into the season? We're going to add an expensive, injury-prone RB to the roster when our cap is already going to be strapped next season anyway? 

 

None of that changes our actual O-line or their ability to runblock either, nor does it fix the biggest issue - short yardage situations. 3rd & goal at the 1 yard line, you going to use CMC to pound the ball over what we already have? Is he going to be any better on 4th & inches than just using Josh Allen?

 

He's still an upgrade, but an upgrade at what cost? That's my issue. 

If they win a SB, it's all worth it. But investing huge in another RB (in both cap hit & trade capital) after already using a 2nd this year is not usually a recipe for success.

 

I don't think Beane is stupid enough to give up a high draft choice for a RB that has missed a million games the past two seasons.

 

If they ever traded for CMC, there would be no need to have Singletary.

 

It would be Singletary and a 5th if I was to make the trade. And I think Beane is on the same page as me. If Carolina wants more than that for a glass RB, then the trade NEVER happens.

[BullBuchanan]

56 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

There is a funny thing about averages. There are lots of ways to get to the same outcome. Singletary tends to do something like this (0, 2, 3, 0, 20) to arrive at a 5 ypc average when it might be more helpful to have (3, 7, 3, 8, 4) to arrive at the same ypc. Not to mention that McCaffery would be a significantly better receiver for a Bills team that likes to throw.

 

Also,CMC is the defense's first and second key on Carolina's dog water offense. In Buffalo he's not.

Grading by the mean is a very unreliable stat in football where the situation is far more important. If you run for 10 1-yard td runs, you're carrying a 1ypc average

[Warriorspikes51]

44 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

A 2nd and Devin Singletary? Ha! Get the hell outta here.

 

I'm not giving up a 2nd alone for McCaffrey. Let alone give up our best RB and a beloved locker room player.

 

Singletary needs to be here this season if we have McCaffrey. If CMC gets hurt, and the odds of that are VERY high, we're left with Moss and Cook. And neither have been very good this season.

 

The offer is Moss and a 4th. Or a 3rd or a 4th this year, late rounder next year. Maybe you could talk me into Moss and a 3rd, but that's the most I'm doing. Anything beyond that and they can go kick rocks.

 

Offer them a 2nd, Moss and a future 4th 

[BrooklynBills]

Singletary is gone after this year and you are likely using another day 2 pick on a RB next year so I think the cost is justified for if it comes with CAR eating some of the future cap hit.

 

That said I think Moss and a conditional 1st based on playing time makes sense.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, BrooklynBills said:

Singletary is gone after this year and you are likely using another day 2 pick on a RB next year so I think the cost is justified for if it comes with CAR eating some of the future cap hit.

 

That said I think Moss and a conditional 1st based on playing time makes sense.

Works for me 

[Maynard]

Singlecarries and a 2nd? No thank you. 

[The Wiz]

44 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Personally, seeing CMC and OBJ at OBD would be OMG!!

 

 

Both on crutches. 

 

Is rather fight for OBJ than take on 19m cap hit next year for CMC.

Edited October 11, 2022 by The Wiz

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

Not a fan of trading Singletary for McCaffrey. Moss, sure, but not Singletary.

Agreed. Devin was quite good last year down the stretch and can be a solid complement along with Cook 

1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

They may want to figure out a way to keep Singletary. He doesn't really have much value to them being on an expiring contract, he does have value to us to rotate in and as injury insurance.

2nd, Moss and a 4th seems like a fair middle ground for both teams.  Or a conditional 1st and Moss.  I'd rather keep Devin 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[goldenboy81]

How bout just giving singletary more touches. Doesn't cost anything 

[unbillievable]

This fanbase is making the same arguments when they traded for Lesean McCoy vs re-signing CJ Spiller.

This weeks game is going to push the narrative going into the Bye.

 

Win at KC: We don't need CMC!

Loss at KC: Sign OBJ and trade for CMC!

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

This fanbase is making the same arguments when they traded for Lesean McCoy vs re-signing CJ Spiller.

This weeks game is going to push the narrative going into the Bye.

 

Win at KC: We don't need CMC!

Loss at KC: Sign OBJ and trade for CMC!

Haha if we beat KC and look good doing so, both of those players are going to want to be here 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[BrooklynBills]

22 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Both on crutches. 

 

Is rather fight for OBJ than take on 19m cap hit next year for CMC.

 

His cap hit won't be that high though. Carolina absorbs the bonus money. And that's if they don't do anything to the contract.

 

If we are dangling our 1st, which I doubt any other team is probably prepared to do for him, it could entice CAR to additionally eat a good chunk of his salary.

 

IF this happens, I think it will be because we are getting the player at a significant cap discount.

 

 

 

[The Wiz]

12 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said:

 

His cap hit won't be that high though. Carolina absorbs the bonus money. And that's if they don't do anything to the contract.

 

If we are dangling our 1st, which I doubt any other team is probably prepared to do for him, it could entice CAR to additionally eat a good chunk of his salary.

 

IF this happens, I think it will be because we are getting the player at a significant cap discount.

 

 

 

CAR already paid the bonus money.

 

That is his total cap hit starting next season according to wgr starting next season. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

 

Assuming CAR even eats 3/4 of that (restructure then trade him)  There is still Hyde, poyer, Edmunds, Oliver and Davis coming up over the next two years. 

 

Should the Bills drop 5m/y on a guy that is going to get 9 touches per game or invest in the others I mentioned?

Edited October 11, 2022 by The Wiz

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I think literally everyone here is on that team. But I'm still waiting for someone to name a legit OG that is in a position to be available for a trade like CMC is right now.

 

Austin Corbett is the only one I can think that is available right now and he's affordable too. 

 

Have to see where other teams end up and who may be selling....

 

Edit: I also don't think Bean would make a trade for an OG during the season, but Kromer had Corbett in LA.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Reed83HOF

[Putin]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

CAR already paid the bonus money.

 

That is his total cap hit starting next season according to wgr starting next season. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

 

And it is.  Assuming CAR even eats 3/4 of that.   There is still Hyde, poyer, Edmunds, Oliver and Davis coming up over the next two years. 

 

Should the Bills drop 5m/y on a guy that is going to get 9 touches per game or invest in the others I mentioned?

Good point ! 
But just  imagine another receiving weapon for a defense to deal with 

[The Wiz]

Just now, Putin said:

Good point ! 
But just  imagine another receiving weapon for a defense to deal with 

Which is why I'd rather just throw a chunk of bitcoin at OBJ for a year.

[BillsFanForever19]

20 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

CAR already paid the bonus money.

 

That is his total cap hit starting next season according to wgr starting next season. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

 

Assuming CAR even eats 3/4 of that (restructure then trade him)  There is still Hyde, poyer, Edmunds, Oliver and Davis coming up over the next two years. 

 

Should the Bills drop 5m/y on a guy that is going to get 9 touches per game or invest in the others I mentioned?

 

That's just it. Even if we make a move for CMC - it's for this season only. A one year rental to help us get a ring. Much like LA did with OBJ and Von last season. We can't afford to keep him beyond this season even if he delivers. It's not in Beane's DNA to pay big money to a RB. Especially one with the wear and tear of CMC. And doubly so with the contracts we have coming up after this season juxtaposed with the raise in cap costs for some of our core players.

 

So given those facts, we're not giving up anything more than a 3rd and a late rounder next year - tops. Preferably less.

Edited October 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

25 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

CAR already paid the bonus money.

 

That is his total cap hit starting next season according to wgr starting next season. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

 

Assuming CAR even eats 3/4 of that (restructure then trade him)  There is still Hyde, poyer, Edmunds, Oliver and Davis coming up over the next two years. 

 

Should the Bills drop 5m/y on a guy that is going to get 9 touches per game or invest in the others I mentioned?

Singletary is averaging 11.6 touches per game this season, CMC would obviously get more, but to answer your question aside from the weird 9 touches part, yes

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Singletary is averaging 11.6 touches per game this season, CMC would obviously get more, but to answer your question aside from the weird 9 touches part, yes

He get's 11.6 touches per game because he's the only offense they have.  You don't think he would reduce in the amount of touches with the passing game that we have?

[Buffalo Boy]

38 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Assuming CAR even eats 3/4 of that (restructure then trade him)  There is still Hyde, poyer, Edmunds, Oliver and Davis coming up over the next two years. 

 

Should the Bills drop 5m/y on a guy that is going to get 9 touches per game or invest in the others I mentioned?

First thought:

   Win the SB this year at all costs!!!! The future is an afterthought.

   Poyer and Hyde shouldn’t be extended if we win a Lombardi. They are both getting older and if we were to keep them it would have to be on short term deals.

    Oliver and David you resign. 
    Edmunds…….?????

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

20 hours ago, without a drought said:

The most dangerous dumpoff man in the NFL? Not according to his yards per reception or the fact that his longest career reception is 37 yards back when he was a rookie.

Lol ok sure yes he only had a long of 37 yards. In his prime he had a 1000 yards receiving and averaged 8.7 yards a catch, mainly from dumpoffs and screens. There were even talks about him becoming a slot reciever in the nfl. You can argue Barkley, ekeler, or kamara are better because of yards per reception but none of them ever eclipsed 1000 in any of their primes.

[RocCityRoller]

5 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Uh, it's an internet rumor and they are pros.  If this hurts their feelings we got bigger problems. 

 

Who said anything about hurting anyone's feelings? NO one needs a distraction before the biggest game of the year.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

35 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

He get's 11.6 touches per game because he's the only offense they have.  You don't think he would reduce in the amount of touches with the passing game that we have?

Singletary is on the bills. He gets 11.6 touches a game currently. You don’t think they’d increase the RB touches if they had CMC?

[JoshAllin]

My concern is his first season as the lead back with Newton in 2018. Prior to that they go into the playoffs 4 of the last 5 seasons then it's all downhill from there for the franchise despite McCaffery's phenomenal numbers and then injuries. He might be bad juju

[Simon Says]

On 10/10/2022 at 2:40 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

The acquiring team is only on the hook for an apprx 600k this season 

And 11.8 million  next year?

This report has been refuted, so we don't know what is true. 

[NoSaint]

17 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Singletary is on the bills. He gets 11.6 touches a game currently. You don’t think they’d increase the RB touches if they had CMC?

slightly?

 

over 20 games including the playoffs 15 would be 300 touches. That’s a hefty season. 

8 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

And 11.8 million  next year?

This report has been refuted, so we don't know what is true. 

no dead money comes with the trade so we could cut him without obligation

[KOKBILLS]

I live down here in NC...My adult Nephew is most definitely a dedicated Panthers fan, and his favorite player is CMC...All we do is talk football about our teams. I think what McCaffrey wants will come into play a bit. He's really liked...And I can't imagine him not wanting to come to Buffalo for a SB run. 

 

But...He has only played 15 games since 2022...Different injuries including ankle, shoulder, and thigh...He's only 26...And certainly some of that could have just been bad luck. 

 

I think McCaffrey would fit like a glove and become an absolute weapon for the Bills come playoff time. We've all seen Devin take quite a few check-downs...If that's a healthy McCaffrey he's going to break one every now and again...Another thing for Defenses to worry about...

 

That being said he's a RB on a deal that is a must home-town restructure, or waive...The current deal has to go...And that's why I hesitate with any 2nd, and definitely 1st round talk. Especially 1st Round...No thank you...

 

I'm hoping the Bills call pull a 3rd Rd and something deal to land McCaffrey...Hopefully things go great and everyone benefits long term...I don't question for one second that a healthy CMC would be a great addition. I think everything about him screams process...

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Singletary is on the bills. He gets 11.6 touches a game currently. You don’t think they’d increase the RB touches if they had CMC?

Misread what you said.  Thought you meant CMC has 11.6 touches.  But even still, I would guess CMC would get around the same amount of touches.  His usage in the passing game would be much more useful but if you are talking about trading Motor for a 1 year rental then they are going to basically bet the farm that Cook can produce like Motor can next year because they aren't going to keep Mcaffrey.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Misread what you said.  Thought you meant CMC has 11.6 touches.  But even still, I would guess CMC would get around the same amount of touches.  His usage in the passing game would be much more useful but if you are talking about trading Motor for a 1 year rental then they are going to basically bet the farm that Cook can produce like Motor can next year because they aren't going to keep Mcaffrey.

We aren't going to sign Singletary either way. That's why we drafted Cook lol

[The Wiz]

55 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We aren't going to sign Singletary either way. That's why we drafted Cook lol

It's more likely they resign Singletary than resigning CMC to a better contract.  Do you really think they want to go into next season with only Cook and Zack Moss as the potential starters? 

[John from Riverside]

We have already put out quite a bit of money in free agency with a lot of players that we are going to need to sign

 

I’m with some others here that if we’re going to get a free agent let’s do it on the o line

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

McCaffrey and Corbett for our 1st. Hopefully both contracts can be restructured in a way where the players are affordable after this season, but if not, it’s an upgrade at guard and running back for a super bowl run this season. Then one or both players can be flipped in the off-season to recoup draft picks without cap penalty. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

McCaffrey and Corbett for our 1st. Hopefully both contracts can be restructured in a way where the players are affordable after this season, but if not, it’s an upgrade at guard and running back for a super bowl run this season. Then one or both players can be flipped in the off-season to recoup draft picks without cap penalty. 

No

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

No

I’d rather not give up the first obviously but that’s what I think it would take. 
 

I can’t believe bills fans still don’t want to add depth everywhere after all these injuries and the dolphins game. People really love future draft picks around here.