Trade Deadline (Nov 1) Bills Rumors / Speculation

[Logic]

11 hours ago, Brian Higgins hair said:

Cook isn’t a running back yet. He needs a couple more years to build his smaller frame. What he currently is, is a receiver out of the backfield. 
 

He has less than five total catches across six games . If he’s a receiving back, fine, but they don’t use him as that either!

[KDIGGZ]

Moss for anything. I don't want to watch him run straight into the pile for 1 yard anymore.

[frostbitmic]

I can't believe the phone isn't ringing off the hook for Moss, I thought all teams were interested in trading for him. Maybe a 2027 conditional 7th round pick.

[Nextmanup]

We still have until November 15th to sign OBJ, do we not?

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

There's so much talk on here about trading for (as in, giving up assets for) a running back, like Cam Akers, or Alvin Kamara. The lack of respect for Motor reminds me of the lack of respect that Fred Jackson used to get. I'm sure that everyone remembers FredeX's tenure as all smiles, and cheers but it really wasn't that way. Fred started almost every season as the presumed #2RB, and exceeded expectations every season.

 

Comparing Motor to Kamara, for example-- Kamara is averaging 4.6 ypc on a team that is averaging 236.5 yards through the air per game, and 142 yards on the ground. Motor is averaging 4.5 ypc on a team that is averaging 331.3 through the air, and 117.8 on the ground. And of course, Allen is (and will remain) our leading rusher. 

 

IMO, Motor is a far better running back than he is given credit for. He's running behind an O-line that is, at best, average in run support. He has fumbled once in 57 attempts, and he has also averaged 7.6 yards per catch with a 78% catch rate, making him an effective check down for Allen.

 

If we want to upgrade the run game, it starts in the trenches. 

[foreboding]

I feel like Motor is enough. We don't want to handoff 20x a game anyway.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

I can't believe the phone isn't ringing off the hook for Moss, I thought all teams were interested in trading for him. Maybe a 2027 conditional 7th round pick.

Moss straight up for Devante Adams, Waller and Jacobs? 

[NewEra]

17 hours ago, DJB said:

K Shanahan makes stud RBs out of jags. 
 

I’m passing here. 
 

We need a game changer and someone a clear upgrade on Motor

We “need” a game changing back? We “need a game changing back” in order to do what exactly?

Edited October 29, 2022 by NewEra

[DJB]

Just now, NewEra said:

We “need” a game changing back? We “need a game changing back” in order to do what exactly?

To run the ball and not have to use Allen as much. Without him our season is over. 
 

Motor doesn’t scare people , teams don’t gameplan for him. 
 

 

[NewEra]

56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Wouldn’t mind Hunt… more interested in a wide out…. Somebody to keep McKenzie off the field.

We have a wr to keep Mckenzie out of the starting slot role.  Expect Shakir to be our starter come time when games really matter and McKenzie to be what he was.  Slot depth and gadget player

Just now, DJB said:

To run the ball and not have to use Allen as much. Without him our season is over. 
 

Motor doesn’t scare people , teams don’t gameplan for him. 
 

 

Sorry, but you have NO CLUE what you’re talking about.  

[whorlnut]

46 minutes ago, foreboding said:

I feel like Motor is enough. We don't want to handoff 20x a game anyway.

Disagree. If Singletary was faster he would break more runs and we could balance the offense more. 

[mikemac2001]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

We still have until November 15th to sign OBJ, do we not?

 

 

Why couldn’t we sign him after ? Is that a rule? 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Disagree. If Singletary was faster he would break more runs and we could balance the offense more. 

The poster you quoted said Motor was “enough”. Enough means to win a super bowl.  

 

By disagreeing, you’re saying that you don’t think we can win a Super Bowl with Motor.  Is that your belief?

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

As the potential bad weather games are approaching…. I can see it already, an RB goes down and we are left with 2 of the 3 we have now to carry this team through those bad weather games….

 

Buffalo doesn’t make a move (which I doubt they do, and fans are pissed.

 

Yeah the Super Bowl is in Arizona…. But the Playoffs will most likely be in potential bad weather!

 

Would love Hunt!

[sunshynman]

9 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

Why couldn’t we sign him after ? Is that a rule? 

OBJ is an FA. He can be signed at anytime. He could sit there until the day before the Super Bowl and still be signed. 

[bobobonators]

53 minutes ago, DJB said:

To run the ball and not have to use Allen as much. Without him our season is over. 
 

Motor doesn’t scare people , teams don’t gameplan for him. 
 

 

To not use Allen as much? Why in the world would we ever want to do that? Just think about what you’re saying - Allen is arguably the best QB in the NFL. Anyone who takes touches away from him is a downgrade. Our offense will not get better by having Hunt run the ball an extra 5x/game and reducing Allen’s pass attempts. 
 

This is 100% how are offense will remain elite:

1. Protect Allen

2. Continue flooding Allen with passing options at WR

3. Improve our situational/short yardage run game. 
 

Motor is good enough for what we do in this offense.  If anything, in the off season we could focus on drafting in rds 3-5 a Brandon Jacobs type bruiser for short yardage.  Hopefully Cook will improve by next season. If not we can further address/assess the situation next season. 
 

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

There's so much talk on here about trading for (as in, giving up assets for) a running back, like Cam Akers, or Alvin Kamara. The lack of respect for Motor reminds me of the lack of respect that Fred Jackson used to get. I'm sure that everyone remembers FredeX's tenure as all smiles, and cheers but it really wasn't that way. Fred started almost every season as the presumed #2RB, and exceeded expectations every season.

 

Comparing Motor to Kamara, for example-- Kamara is averaging 4.6 ypc on a team that is averaging 236.5 yards through the air per game, and 142 yards on the ground. Motor is averaging 4.5 ypc on a team that is averaging 331.3 through the air, and 117.8 on the ground. And of course, Allen is (and will remain) our leading rusher. 

 

IMO, Motor is a far better running back than he is given credit for. He's running behind an O-line that is, at best, average in run support. He has fumbled once in 57 attempts, and he has also averaged 7.6 yards per catch with a 78% catch rate, making him an effective check down for Allen.

 

If we want to upgrade the run game, it starts in the trenches. 

Well actually the fanbase knew Fred was a player long before the team (Jauron) did. All aboard the A train. Remember that? Lol.

Devin's a good back. And that's about as far as I think you can go. Assuming he takes care of the football he's ok as our lead back (there's no one else to choose from really). He'd be a great complement/change of pace guy to a true #1 but you can't always have what you want. With him and of course Allen the ground game is probably good enuf to take some pressure off the passing game. At least I suspect that is what Beane is thinking.

[Aurelius]

People shouldn’t worry about the Akers talk.  He’s a good back that would cost almost nothing for us at this point and is an insurance back.  It seems clear they’re moving away from Moss and I think that’s a smart idea.  Akers wouldn’t be a prime pickup for us but he’s a safe and cheap one that buys our backfield some depth and quality.  
 

I think Beane may also try to make a bigger splash but I can’t pretend to know what it would be.  I like Josh Allen OLB, some of the receivers, any O-line help we can get as well as a TE if we found the right guy.  Will be interesting to see what we do here.  

[TheWeatherMan]

57 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

As the potential bad weather games are approaching…. I can see it already, an RB goes down and we are left with 2 of the 3 we have now to carry this team through those bad weather games….

 

Buffalo doesn’t make a move (which I doubt they do, and fans are pissed.

 

Yeah the Super Bowl is in Arizona…. But the Playoffs will most likely be in potential bad weather!

 

Would love Hunt!

This is exactly how I feel.  If we can’t run the ball in late December and January we are in a world of hurt come lake effect or lake enhanced snow events.  

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

He has less than five total catches across six games . If he’s a receiving back, fine, but they don’t use him as that either!

 

Yeah it's strange.  He had 4 catches on 5 targets vs. Miami and I thought "OK, Here We Go" but then 1 target vs Bal and nothing since.

I know McDermott likes to bring rookies along slowly, but he's barely seen the field.  54 snaps over 6 games, 9 snaps a game.

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah it's strange.  He had 4 catches on 5 targets vs. Miami and I thought "OK, Here We Go" but then 1 target vs Bal and nothing since.

I know McDermott likes to bring rookies along slowly, but he's barely seen the field.  54 snaps over 6 games, 9 snaps a game.

It is kind of strange, Singeltary and Moss both got a bunch of reps in their rookie seasons. Maybe it's just how our offense is right now we're passing pretty much all the time now.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

 

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

We have a wr to keep Mckenzie out of the starting slot role.  Expect Shakir to be our starter come time when games really matter and McKenzie to be what he was.  Slot depth and gadget player

 

If you're arguing that we have depth at WR it's with the guy you're trying to get off the field, McKenzie.  And he's not going to be a good replacement for either a Davis or a Diggs as an outside guy.

 

Where as at RB we have 4 guys all likely able to produce fairly similar results if actually committed to running the ball which I think is the biggest issue we really don't try to run all that much which is fine considering the success the team has a passing.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

As the potential bad weather games are approaching…. I can see it already, an RB goes down and we are left with 2 of the 3 we have now to carry this team through those bad weather games….

 

Buffalo doesn’t make a move (which I doubt they do, and fans are pissed.

 

Yeah the Super Bowl is in Arizona…. But the Playoffs will most likely be in potential bad weather!

 

Would love Hunt!

 

We have 4 including Duke Johnson, as I stated above similar abilities IF given the chance.  We don't try that hard to run the ball and seems whenever one of the RB's (or McKenzie) makes a mistake fumbles etc, they are yanked.  Likely practices center on the passing game at a higher percent of time than running does too.

 

The Bills are a passing team first and for most so depth at WR is more important than adding a RB who very likely won't even be active barring injury to one of the present players  On the other hand they could add a WR who'd potentially be active on game days and could contribute, Jeudy, Cooks, OBJ.

 

With CMC traded and add in the Giants winning Barkley isn't going anywhere, the only RB left that maybe could have the same impact as some of the WR's I mentioned is Montgomery or maybe Hunt.

 

Overall I'd much prefer to see them trade either for a WR or O-line, or even safety.

Edited October 29, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

If you're arguing that we have depth at WR it's with the guy you're trying to get off the field, McKenzie.  And he's not going to be a good replacement for either a Davis or a Diggs as an outside guy.

 

Where as at RB we have 4 guys all likely able to produce fairly similar results if actually committed to running the ball which I think is the biggest issue we really don't try to run all that much which is fine considering the success the team has a passing.

 

 

 

 

We have 4 including Duke Johnson, as I stated above similar abilities IF given the chance.  We don't try that hard to run the ball and seems whenever one of the RB's (or McKenzie) makes a mistake fumbles etc, they are yanked.  Likely practices center on the passing game at a higher percent of time than running does too.

 

The Bills are a passing team first and for most so depth at WR is more important than adding a RB who very likely won't even be active barring injury to one of the present players  On the other hand they could add a WR who'd potentially be active on game days and could contribute, Jeudy, Cooks, OBJ.

 

With CMC traded and add in the Giants winning Barkley isn't going anywhere, the only RB left that maybe could have the same impact as some of the WR's I mentioned is Montgomery or maybe Hunt.

 

Overall I'd much prefer to see them trade either for a WR or O-line, or even safety.

No.  That’s not what I’m arguing.  

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It is kind of strange, Singletary and Moss both got a bunch of reps in their rookie seasons. Maybe it's just how our offense is right now we're passing pretty much all the time now.

 

Except the Bills made it pretty durn clear they wanted a pass catching RB - big push to go after McKissic who has more receiving than rushing yards in each of his 4 seasons with more than a couple games.  When we couldn't land him, we signed Duke Johnson who has a few more miles on him, but similar pattern  in 6 out of his 7 seasons, then we drafted Cook, who as a 2nd round pick we can't cut, but he can hardly get on the field.

 

Sometimes I feel like Beane ought to trade our second round picks, that might work better.  We're certainly seeing more from AJ Epenesa in his 3rd season and cameo appearances from Boogie Basham in his 2nd season.  It just seems as though your second and third round picks ought to be the players you get the most from at the start, instead we're seeing more immediate contributions from the "developmental rounds" 5-7.  I guess it's a good problem to have, It's just weird.

 

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

We still have until November 15th to sign OBJ, do we not?

 

 

 

Isn't he a FA?  I didn't think there was a deadline to sign FA in the NFL

[DJB]

3 hours ago, bobobonators said:

To not use Allen as much? Why in the world would we ever want to do that? Just think about what you’re saying - Allen is arguably the best QB in the NFL. Anyone who takes touches away from him is a downgrade. Our offense will not get better by having Hunt run the ball an extra 5x/game and reducing Allen’s pass attempts. 
 

This is 100% how are offense will remain elite:

1. Protect Allen

2. Continue flooding Allen with passing options at WR

3. Improve our situational/short yardage run game. 
 

Motor is good enough for what we do in this offense.  If anything, in the off season we could focus on drafting in rds 3-5 a Brandon Jacobs type bruiser for short yardage.  Hopefully Cook will improve by next season. If not we can further address/assess the situation next season. 
 

To not run Allen as much and avoid injury. 

 

Think about how much more effective Josh would be at the zone read if he had a competent dangerous RB. 
 

We tried to get our “Brandon Jacobs” when we took Moss. It failed. 
 

Im tired of these 2nd rate RB’s and we have to carry 3 on game day to do all things we want to do on offence. 
 

Time to get a real RB one that does it all and doesn’t have to come off the field

Edited October 29, 2022 by DJB

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

19 minutes ago, DJB said:

To not run Allen as much and avoid injury. 

 

Think about how much more effective Josh would be at the zone read if he had a competent dangerous RB. 
 

We tried to get our “Brandon Jacobs” when we took Moss. It failed. 
 

Im tired of these 2nd rate RB’s and we have to carry 3 on game day to do all things we want to do on offence. 
 

Time to get a real RB one that does it all and doesn’t have to come off the field

 

Isn't singeltary running for 4.5 again?? You running back guys fail to see the good in what we have. It does nothing for us, and quite frankly you're wrong 

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Disagree. If Singletary was faster he would break more runs and we could balance the offense more. 

That is what Cook is for I thought. he has burst. he can turn the corner. just needs the reps. It will come
But all teams game plan for every potential weapon. Including Singletary. and he is very good at what he does after all.

[Buffaloflash]

On 10/20/2022 at 2:48 PM, Tanoros said:

OBJ should definitely be brought in if he will come. McKenzie has struggled some and although Shakir has looked good, he is a rook. OBJ looked good before injury and him, Diggs, and Davis would be very hard to handle. Imagine Allen with those 3 weapons, that would be very fun to watch. He would also provide good insurance. 

This is the incident that made despises obj, and hope never to see him in a Bills's uniform!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2576465-odell-beckham-jr-allegedly-punched-multiple-bills-players

 

[Draconator]

For those that wanted Kamara

 

 

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, Draconator said:

For those that wanted Kamara

 

 

Eagles are making big deals trying to equal Buffalo's talent

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

 

Isn't singeltary running for 4.5 again?? You running back guys fail to see the good in what we have. It does nothing for us, and quite frankly you're wrong 

To some people, speed is the only thing that matters.  When in reality, it isn’t.   

It’s a luxury.  Motor is plenty good enough to make teams pay when our opponents give us the short stuff.  
 

I’m all for giving up a 5th+ rd pick for another complimentary back.  If motor were to go down, we’d be in trouble at rb.  But once we have to give up a 2nd or 3rd rd pick, the dynamics of the trade change.   We’ll be counting on those picks to produce once we start losing current starters.  Too many people with the idea that just because we drafted Basham and Epenesa rd 2, that all of our future 2nds will be meh. 
 

If Beane decided to give up a 2nd or 3rd picks, I wouldn’t be upset if the RB was Jacobs.  He would legitimately make us a better team and take Motors spot.  I don’t see any other RB (that’s potentially on the market) that would be worthy of trading a pick that high.  A 4th for hunt, I’d get behind that I suppose, but I think Motor would still start.  

[Aussie Joe]

13 minutes ago, Draconator said:

For those that wanted Kamara

 

 

Don’t the Saints know the going rate for an RB is a 5th + Moss?

[CaliBills]

17 minutes ago, Draconator said:

For those that wanted Kamara

 

 

 

I still feel this still doesn't help the one key area the Bills will be better at and that is the QB position. 

 

Regardless of their RB, their QB is still Hurts who the Bills would run a similar defense in how they handle Lamar Jackson.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Aurelius said:

People shouldn’t worry about the Akers talk.  He’s a good back that would cost almost nothing for us at this point and is an insurance back.  It seems clear they’re moving away from Moss and I think that’s a smart idea.  Akers wouldn’t be a prime pickup for us but he’s a safe and cheap one that buys our backfield some depth and quality.  
 

I think Beane may also try to make a bigger splash but I can’t pretend to know what it would be.  I like Josh Allen OLB, some of the receivers, any O-line help we can get as well as a TE if we found the right guy.  Will be interesting to see what we do here.  

Could you imagine us cornering the market on Josh Allens. Not a huge fan of Akers but sadly he would be a slight upgrade over Moss.

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

I still feel this still doesn't help the one key area the Bills will be better at and that is the QB position. 

 

Regardless of their RB, their QB is still Hurts who the Bills would run a similar defense in how they handle Lamar Jackson.

 

 

Yes, but the eagles have MUCH better weapons and OL- hurts looks much improved as a passer too. I don’t think they’re the same.  

[CaliBills]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, but the eagles have MUCH better weapons and OL- hurts looks much improved as a passer too. I don’t think they’re the same.  

meh might have better weapons but yet only has 6 TD passes. 
 

so his better weapons is not equating to better passing. 
 

plus their competition is not really up to playoff contenders either

 

we shall see

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

Why couldn’t we sign him after ? Is that a rule? 

 

5 hours ago, sunshynman said:

OBJ is an FA. He can be signed at anytime. He could sit there until the day before the Super Bowl and still be signed. 

I was interpreting this to mean Nov. 15 is the deadline...

 

Q. What is the time period for free agency signings this year?

 

A. For restricted free agents, from March 16 to April 22. For unrestricted free agents who have received a tender from their prior club by the Monday immediately following the final day of the NFL Draft for the 2022 league year (i.e., May 2), from March 16 to July 22 (or the first scheduled day of the first NFL training camp, whichever is later). For franchise players, from March 16 until the Tuesday following Week 10 of the regular season, November 15. For transition players, from March 16 until July 22. After July 22 and until 4 p.m. ET on the Tuesday following Week 10 of the regular season, November 15, the prior club has exclusive negotiating rights to unrestricted free agents and transition players. If the above-listed players do not sign by November 15, they must sit out the season.

 

 

[sunshynman]

41 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

I was interpreting this to mean Nov. 15 is the deadline...

 

Q. What is the time period for free agency signings this year?

 

A. For restricted free agents, from March 16 to April 22. For unrestricted free agents who have received a tender from their prior club by the Monday immediately following the final day of the NFL Draft for the 2022 league year (i.e., May 2), from March 16 to July 22 (or the first scheduled day of the first NFL training camp, whichever is later). For franchise players, from March 16 until the Tuesday following Week 10 of the regular season, November 15. For transition players, from March 16 until July 22. After July 22 and until 4 p.m. ET on the Tuesday following Week 10 of the regular season, November 15, the prior club has exclusive negotiating rights to unrestricted free agents and transition players. If the above-listed players do not sign by November 15, they must sit out the season.

 

 

I don’t believe so. That says franchise players or transition players (not sure what that is). I don’t believe regular fa’s have a deadline. 

 

“Clubs participating in the playoffs are permitted to sign free agents throughout the postseason, but are limited to a total of four free agent signings, including players on other clubs' Practice Squads, during the period that begins at 4 p.m., New York time, on the Wednesday after the final regular season weekend."

There was a rule proposal this off-season to not allow playoff teams sign players cut from non-playoff teams. That didn’t pass. I don't know that any team has tried this before. 
 

I think the Steelers signed someone in December in 2020. 
 

I doubt OBJ last through November before signing somewhere. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by sunshynman

[DJB]

 

OMG! OMG! OMG!!!!! 
 

Z Moss might get moved 🤣

[jkeerie]

13 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

OMG! OMG! OMG!!!!! 
 

Z Moss might get moved 🤣

So they get their info from fan message boards?