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1 hour ago, Putin said:

If it gets us closer to that Lombardi trophy imo do what ever it takes !! 
Rams agree 

No F@&$! Kidding !!!
I’m sure everyone would be more then ok with any move Bean makes to see that SB parade down town Buffalo THIS YEAR !!! 
I’ve been waiting for over 30 years and I’m sure some of us even longer  !!! 

Hasn’t been pretty much already done that The von miller signing was a swing away move

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2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You're damn right I don't want to move on from Edmunds, Oliver or Singletary. Edmunds and Oliver in particular would leave massive holes. Oliver and Singletary particularly.

 

And yet they may have to leave one out next year, already. Possibly even two, though my guess is only one.

 

But we've got no backups for Singletary or Oliver (they don't see Bernard at MLB, I believe) and would have to bring in high-priced FA replacements or use a high pick to switch in and suffer the mistakes a young guy makes. 

 

Burns - assuming we could get him, and I know you've already said you're aware they don't want to let him go - amounts to putting ourselves into a situation where we get more and more cap squeeze and have to create more and more holes. Burns would help, but he's not needed. And there are guys who would help but are not needed at every position on the field outside starting QB and Von's position. We're already the #1 defense, a scary group, because they are getting pressure with the front four without having to blitz. 

 

If you can get someone who could help for cheap, great. No need to start spending like a sailor.

 

 


I mostly agree. I just don’t value draft picks as high as you might. I would give a first for Burns in a heartbeat. 
 

 

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14 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:


I only said we don’t need to lose any players that are currently on the roster. That’s not a crazy idea and it doesn’t involve being reckless.
 

Tremaine already makes almost 13mil this year. If you wanted to keep him how much more would it cost? Would that be reckless? Same for Oliver. He’s already set to make 10 million next year. I don’t think giving him a slight raise would be irresponsible. 
 

How did we go from “draft, develop, and sign our own” to “keeping our own would be wildly reckless”?!

 

 

What?

 

Where did I say "keeping our own would be wildly reckless"? Or anything like it.

 

Spending a ton of extra on Burns, a complementary piece but nothing even close to a need ... that is what I think would be reckless.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Hasn’t been pretty much already done that The von miller signing was a swing away move

Rams got Stafford and to put them over the top traded for Von Miller & OBJ  !! 
I know we have a good roaster but Bean always says that he does everything possible to always upgrade the roaster !! 
we still have 11 games left injuries are a possibility our OL can use some quality depth especially at Guard 

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1 minute ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:


I mostly agree. I just don’t value draft picks as high as you might. I would give a first for Burns in a heartbeat. 
 

 

 

 

No, I think Burns is worth a 1st. A very talented guy who could still be growing, I think. I like him and he's really young.

 

But that it would put us into serious cap problems. Force us into much more uncomfortable decisions down the road. 

 

Maybe we're talking past each other a bit, here. Anyway, best of luck to you, and see you round the boards.

 

Go Bills!

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3 minutes ago, Putin said:

Rams got Stafford and to put them over the top traded for Von Miller & OBJ  !! 
I know we have a good roaster but Bean always says that he does everything possible to always upgrade the roaster !! 

The way the Rams did it could’ve ended very badly for them because they went all in on one year look how we demolish them in the first game

 

That’s not the way our general manager does it do people forget what he said when he first got here competitive now and in the future are words that he used

 

And this isn’t just a good roster this is a fantastic roster Going five and one with all those injuries we had at the beginning of the season that we are just now recovering from should tell everyone that we are plugging and playing rookies in average players into starting spots and still winning

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4 minutes ago, Putin said:

Rams got Stafford and to put them over the top traded for Von Miller & OBJ  !! 
I know we have a good roaster but Bean always says that he does everything possible to always upgrade the roaster !! 

 

 

He says he does everything that makes sense to upgrade the roster.

 

He also says his goal is to be in contention every year. Not to do everything possible for this year and screw the future. The Rams did indeed get lucky enough to win last year and wouldn't have without Miller and OBJ. But they also put themselves in the position they're in now. They are not good enough to be in contention this year, IMO, and the reason has a lot to do with valuing the short-term over the long-term.

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1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:


Then which players do you want to lose and why? I wouldn’t mind moving on from Edmunds and Oliver. But let me guess you don’t like that idea either.

Oh so you meant to say “I don’t think they have the cap space” 

 

You seem to think this is so easy.  "just restructure everyone and their mama and you can keep whoever you want."  Why don't you explain how this happens.  We currently have 60 players signed.  Going into next season with only 38 players we have an estimated negative 7.5 mil.  

 

Show me in detail how you would manage this roster and get from 38 players to 53 starting with negative 7.5m cap space and keeping all of our top guys.  Outside of Allen, Diggs, Von, Knox... most of our roster contracts expire over the next 3 seasons other than the rookies and a couple role players. Alot of those over the next two.

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6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

You seem to think this is so easy.  "just restructure everyone and their mama and you can keep whoever you want."  Why don't you explain how this happens.  We currently have 60 players signed.  Going into next season with only 38 players we have an estimated negative 7.5 mil.  

 

Show me in detail how you would manage this roster and get from 38 players to 53 starting with negative 7.5m cap space and keeping all of our top guys.  Outside of Allen, Diggs, Von, Knox... most of our roster contracts expire over the next 3 seasons other than the rookies and a couple role players. Alot of those over the next two.

 

I'd be glad to. I'll have a caveat that I don't necessarily think they SHOULD extend all of these players, and the result of this season will obviously play into these decisions. Especially with Poyer.

 

It's really only Edmunds and Poyer that are not under contract for 2023. To clear the cap space for them Beane would only need to convert Allen and White's base salaries into a bonus and spread them over the remainder of their contracts. That should get them pretty close to $30mil. in cap space. I don't know about you, but I'm ok with being stuck with Allen and White a while longer.

 

Now the other two important pieces are Oliver and Davis. Both are set for 2023, but extending them is another story. Oliver will be making over 10mil on his 5th year option, so if he gets an extension at around 14mil/yr Beane could find 4mil OR he can actually save more cap space in 2023 by spreading the 10mil to future years.

 

Nothing crazy. Just moving money around for White and Allen's contracts. No main pieces lost.

 

Davis will be the one where he gets a big raise, but again he's under contract for 2023 at a very low salary so they don't have to do anything. I think it would be a good idea to lock him up long-term before he potentially has two good statistical seasons and the salary cap (and player contracts) goes up significantly as it's expected to.

 

They can afford Gabe's extension in 2024 because the cap is expected to go up significantly. Which is why extending all of our core pieces now is actually the smart thing to do. Don't listen to posters here calling it irresponsible.

 

Here's a list of other players that can be restructured/extended this offseason or next depending on when it's needed: Dawkins, Milano, T.Johnson, D.Jones, Bates, Settle. I would love to have the first four listed here for longer than their current contract. So an extension is again not irresponsible and benefits the team and the player. They love getting big lump sum checks from Terry.

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12 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

 

I'd be glad to. I'll have a caveat that I don't necessarily think they SHOULD extend all of these players, and the result of this season will obviously play into these decisions. Especially with Poyer.

 

It's really only Edmunds and Poyer that are not under contract for 2023. To clear the cap space for them Beane would only need to convert Allen and White's base salaries into a bonus and spread them over the remainder of their contracts. That should get them pretty close to $30mil. in cap space. I don't know about you, but I'm ok with being stuck with Allen and White a while longer.

 

Now the other two important pieces are Oliver and Davis. Both are set for 2023, but extending them is another story. Oliver will be making over 10mil on his 5th year option, so if he gets an extension at around 14mil/yr Beane could find 4mil OR he can actually save more cap space in 2023 by spreading the 10mil to future years.

 

Nothing crazy. Just moving money around for White and Allen's contracts. No main pieces lost.

 

Davis will be the one where he gets a big raise, but again he's under contract for 2023 at a very low salary so they don't have to do anything. I think it would be a good idea to lock him up long-term before he potentially has two good statistical seasons and the salary cap (and player contracts) goes up significantly as it's expected to.

 

They can afford Gabe's extension in 2024 because the cap is expected to go up significantly. Which is why extending all of our core pieces now is actually the smart thing to do. Don't listen to posters here calling it irresponsible.

 

Here's a list of other players that can be restructured/extended this offseason or next depending on when it's needed: Dawkins, Milano, T.Johnson, D.Jones, Bates, Settle. I would love to have the first four listed here for longer than their current contract. So an extension is again not irresponsible and benefits the team and the player. They love getting big lump sum checks from Terry.

 

Um what?  Only Edmunds and Poyer? I see roughly 8 current starters in that list, some rotational dline, some next in line backups, some depth players, and the backup QB.  You may say that a lot of those guys can go but you still have to replace them.  We have 38 current players with contracts that dont expire next season. Without resigning those players we are projected to be 7.5m in the negative.

 

Jordan Poyer

Mitch Morse

Rodger Saffold

Case Keenum

Jordan Phillips

Tyler Matakevich

Tremaine Edmunds

Jamison Crowder

David Quessenberry

Taiwan Jones

Sam Martin

Greg Van Roten

Ike Boettger

Shaq Lawson

Jake Kumerow

Bobby Hart

Justin Murray

Devin Singletary

Brandin Bryant

Tyrel Dodson

Dane Jackson

Cam Lewis

Jaquan Johnson

Tommy Sweeney

 

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Since this is the trade deadline/rumors thread I'll add an addendum to my last post.

 

Big ticket trade options like Burns and Moore may seem out of reach, but as I've shown above we can keep every one of our players through 2023 by only restructuring Allen and White.

 

If Beane thinks either of those guys or someone else gives us a significant advantage and can be acquired at a price he's ok with, he can get a couple swings at the Lombardi with them.

 

For example, Beane trades 2023 1st rd pick for Burns. His cap would be easy to absorb this season, but next year has 16mil cap hit. To fit that in, Beane could extend/restructure Dawkins and Milano. Two players I'd be happy with for another year or two. Extending Burns would be difficult long-term, but he can be tagged and traded to recoup the 1st round pick given up previously.

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Um what?  Only Edmunds and Poyer? I see roughly 8 current starters in that list, some rotational dline, some next in line backups, some depth players, and the backup QB.  You may say that a lot of those guys can go but you still have to replace them.  We have 38 current players with contracts that dont expire next season. Without resigning those players we are projected to be 7.5m in the negative.

 

Jordan Poyer

Mitch Morse

Rodger Saffold

Case Keenum

Jordan Phillips

Tyler Matakevich

Tremaine Edmunds

Jamison Crowder

David Quessenberry

Taiwan Jones

Sam Martin

Greg Van Roten

Ike Boettger

Shaq Lawson

Jake Kumerow

Bobby Hart

Justin Murray

Devin Singletary

Brandin Bryant

Tyrel Dodson

Dane Jackson

Cam Lewis

Jaquan Johnson

Tommy Sweeney

 

I'm talking about the main core pieces. I won't be talking about Bobby freaking Hart. A lot of the guys listed are making more than they should and more than the league minimum. Bills will actually save more $ by replacing them with draft picks, current PS and league minimum.

 

Also, Morse is under contract for 2023

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14 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Since this is the trade deadline/rumors thread I'll add an addendum to my last post.

 

Big ticket trade options like Burns and Moore may seem out of reach, but as I've shown above we can keep every one of our players through 2023 by only restructuring Allen and White.

 

If Beane thinks either of those guys or someone else gives us a significant advantage and can be acquired at a price he's ok with, he can get a couple swings at the Lombardi with them.

 

For example, Beane trades 2023 1st rd pick for Burns. His cap would be easy to absorb this season, but next year has 16mil cap hit. To fit that in, Beane could extend/restructure Dawkins and Milano. Two players I'd be happy with for another year or two. Extending Burns would be difficult long-term, but he can be tagged and traded to recoup the 1st round pick given up previously.

I'm talking about the main core pieces. I won't be talking about Bobby freaking Hart. A lot of the guys listed are making more than they should and more than the league minimum. Bills will actually save more $ by replacing them with draft picks, current PS and league minimum.

 

Also, Morse is under contract for 2023

 

Im not asking you to talk about Bobby freaking Hart.  You still have to replace Bobby freaking Hart.  What you dont seem to comprehend is when you use all your cap dollars on high money star contracts then you cant build the rest of the team.  You have no depth.  You have no good players... you end up with a handful of stars and a bunch of nobodies.  Our team is as good as it is because we have good players.  Those good players go away when you have too many stars and are replaced with players like Bobby freaking Hart.  You like Phillips?  He is now Bobby freaking Hart.  you like Dane Jackson?  He is now Bobby freaking Hart.  You like Mitch Morse?  He is now Bobby freaking Hart. Etc etc etc.  All your players become Bobby freaking Hart because you cant afford anyone but the stars.  

Yeah buddy you can disagree all you want to but this isnt Madden football.  You cant pay stars all over the field.  You might get away with it for a year or two but then your team is toast.  Having good players and roles players are just as important.  You keep living in your delusion and play around on Madden football franchise mode though.

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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Im not asking you to talk about Bobby freaking Hart.  You still have to replace Bobby freaking Hart.  What you dont seem to comprehend is when you use all your cap dollars on high money star contracts then you cant build the rest of the team.  You have no depth.  You have no good players... you end up with a handful of stars and a bunch of nobodies.  Our team is as good as it is because we have good players.  Those good players go away when you have too many stars and are replaced with players like Bobby freaking Hart.  You like Phillips?  He is now Bobby freaking Hart.  you like Dane Jackson?  He is now Bobby freaking Hart.  You like Mitch Morse?  He is now Bobby freaking Hart. Etc etc etc.  All your players become Bobby freaking Hart because you cant afford anyone but the stars.  

Ok man we will see. They extend Mlano, Dawkins, and T.Johnson and you can sign Phillips and all the depth you want. Or do you not want those 3 long-term? Because I hope they extend them now before the cap goes way up and in a couple years we are looking at much larger salaries. 

 

At some point we have to cycle through draft picks and league minimum guys for the bottom of the roster. The only thing we are going to miss out on when this happens is paying special teams players 3.5million a year.

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8 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:


I mostly agree. I just don’t value draft picks as high as you might. I would give a first for Burns in a heartbeat. 

Then you'd be on the hook for the 5th year option next year if you can't re-sign him.  We've invested too many picks at the DE position (Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa) to sign another high price veteran opposite Von Miller.  I'm fine with Rousseau right now.  Let's just concentrate on re-signing our own and trust that at least one of those three will develop into a premier pass rusher.  There's also no guarantee he'd want to re-sign here so giving up a first for him is lunacy.

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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Then you'd be on the hook for the 5th year option next year if you can't re-sign him.  We've invested too many picks at the DE position (Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa) to sign another high price veteran opposite Von Miller.  I'm fine with Rousseau right now.  Let's just concentrate on re-signing our own and trust that at least one of those three will develop into a premier pass rusher.  There's also no guarantee he'd want to re-sign here so giving up a first for him is lunacy.

 

Fair enough although not lunacy because I'm sure there's a team willing to give a 1st or early 2nd for him if he wants to be somewhere else for some reason.

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3 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

 

Fair enough although not lunacy because I'm sure there's a team willing to give a 1st or early 2nd for him if he wants to be somewhere else for some reason.

They're asking for multiple firsts though.  I just think of the Seahawks giving up two picks for Jamaal Adams before giving him a record breaking contract.  Same thing with Mack with the Bears in 2018.  If their asking price comes down to just a first I still wouldn't do it because we invested so much at that position already.  

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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Then you'd be on the hook for the 5th year option next year if you can't re-sign him.  We've invested too many picks at the DE position (Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa) to sign another high price veteran opposite Von Miller.  I'm fine with Rousseau right now.  Let's just concentrate on re-signing our own and trust that at least one of those three will develop into a premier pass rusher.  There's also no guarantee he'd want to re-sign here so giving up a first for him is lunacy.

I personally don’t understand why we would even take Groot off the field he has been excellent this season

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4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I personally don’t understand why we would even take Groot off the field he has been excellent this season

Bills rotate so much you could theoretically pair a twosome of Miller/Groot/Burns on every snap giving each at least 66% of the snaps.  Helps keep each fresh.  My math might be off on that.

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16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Bills rotate so much you could theoretically pair a twosome of Miller/Groot/Burns on every snap giving each at least 66% of the snaps.  Helps keep each fresh.  My math might be off on that.

Sure but at what cost we already have so much invested in this line I wish we had that much invested in our offense of line

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16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Sure but at what cost we already have so much invested in this line I wish we had that much invested in our offense of line

I'm not advocating for it and was just answering your question.  My hope is Epenesa or Basham can take a giant step quickly because that would be a scary rotation at a reasonable cost.

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KJ Hamler would be a guy I go after. Former second round pick, just turned 23yo. Would be the fastest guy on our offense and provide needed depth at WR. 

 

Had the ACL injury and otherwise has been stuck in a terrible offense and is not being used.

 

Don't think it's fair to judge his career so far considering what he's dealt with. Sure he could stink, but there is also likely some legit potential there. Worth a 4th rd flyer.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34857900/sources-panthers-rejected-offer-two-1st-round-picks-brian-burns

 

I would do this in a heartbeat.  Instantly have the best pass rush in the NFL.  

What exactly would you do in a heartbeat? The Panthers just rejected an offer of two 1st rounders for Burns.

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Given our OL challenges, I see Austen Corbett as well worth a look:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/10/antonio-gibson-albert-okwuegbunam-bills-have-options-to-upgrade-roster-ahead-of-2022-nfl-trade-deadline.html

 

’The Panthers are tearing things down after trading away Christian McCaffrey to the San Francisco 49ers. There may be certain players that they view as cornerstones in their rebuild, but Austin Corbett, a 27 year old offensive lineman, likely isn’t part of that plan.

For Buffalo, however, Corbett could be a valuable piece to their offensive line over the remainder of the season.

Corbett is a quality guard who also has experience playing under Aaron Kromer with the Los Angeles Rams (2019-2020). After the Browns traded Corbett to the Rams, Kromer spoke about what he liked about the lineman.

“I think obviously he’s athletic to play guard, but he bends well enough to play center,” Kromer said. “When we worked him out, we had him at center up at the college. He really moved down the line of scrimmage really well, he was athletic to the second level.”

 

pff 79.5, 2018 rd 2 pick 33

 

Not sure we could afford him, but if we could, plug him in and move Bates to backup center, drop Van Roten.

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8 minutes ago, hemma said:

Given our OL challenges, I see Austen Corbett as well worth a look:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/10/antonio-gibson-albert-okwuegbunam-bills-have-options-to-upgrade-roster-ahead-of-2022-nfl-trade-deadline.html

 

’The Panthers are tearing things down after trading away Christian McCaffrey to the San Francisco 49ers. There may be certain players that they view as cornerstones in their rebuild, but Austin Corbett, a 27 year old offensive lineman, likely isn’t part of that plan.

For Buffalo, however, Corbett could be a valuable piece to their offensive line over the remainder of the season.

Corbett is a quality guard who also has experience playing under Aaron Kromer with the Los Angeles Rams (2019-2020). After the Browns traded Corbett to the Rams, Kromer spoke about what he liked about the lineman.

“I think obviously he’s athletic to play guard, but he bends well enough to play center,” Kromer said. “When we worked him out, we had him at center up at the college. He really moved down the line of scrimmage really well, he was athletic to the second level.”

 

pff 79.5, 2018 rd 2 pick 33

 

I’d give a 3rd for this guy.  Plug him in and move Bates to backup center, drop Van Roten.

This would be a smarter trade for us  and we have a cornerstone right guard for next few years instead of having to do it all through the draft.  Our biggest need is OL rebuilding.  It would be smart to start doing it now if we can get a passable deal done.  

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Everything Rock a Bye has said about the amount of cap space we can open up by restructuring is true. You can argue whether or how it may impact us down the line, but Bean can clear close to 60 million if needed (he wont clear that much). That’s EXACTLY why he structured these contracts the way he did especially with the foundation pieces that will be around for a long time.

 

The cap is a myth, I firmly believe that. It gives GMs an excuse to tell the fans when they don’t want to pay too much for a player (we really wanted to keep him, we just couldn’t fit him under the cap).

 

What people aren’t realizing is the cap is going to EXPLODE in the next few years. Not only the huge TV deal, but legal gambling has been an absolute gold mine for the NFL. Everything I’ve read and heard about gambling says that the amount the NFL is racking in vastly exceeds expectations. 

 

As long as you have an owner who’s wiling to write big checks when those restructures come into play, which we do, we can keep this train rolling for a loooong time.

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2 hours ago, Aurelius said:

This would be a smarter trade for us  and we have a cornerstone right guard for next few years instead of having to do it all through the draft.  Our biggest need is OL rebuilding.  It would be smart to start doing it now if we can get a passable deal done.  

Agree with this. Maybe also touch base with the Broncos about Risner.

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3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I really like the idea of Hamler and Corbett if Beane can swing it. Hamler is talented, but on the wrong team to utilize him correctly and Corbett would be a good upgrade on bates, who shouldn’t be more than the swing guy. 

Bates had a really good game vs KC. There is no chance they trade for Corbett. People need to understand this is the OL they wanted and paid for.

 

Depending on Browns injury you could see a depth OT added, but I highly doubt they’d be looking to replace a player like Bates they just extended.


I would love to see Hamler added to the WR group.

 

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If I am Beane,you acquire as many quality backup pieces on both sides of the ball, as you can, for the minimal (3rd Round & up) pain.

 

THIS IS THE YEAR!

 

Get er done.

 

As a Toronto Raptors fan, did Toronto fans say… “getting Kawhi Leonard was really wasteful & foolish” ?

 

NEVER!

EVER!

EVER!

 

 

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18 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You're damn right I don't want to move on from Edmunds, Oliver or Singletary. Edmunds and Oliver in particular would leave massive holes. Oliver and Edmunds particularly.

 

 

 

Oliver is 100% tradable.

 

All things considered, and by that I mean (a) his contract status - Edmunds should be the priority (b) the fact we did not miss him while Injured (c) he is not a game changer and (d) we would want to protect draft picks if we make a trade to shore up our roster for a playoff and SB run, I feel Oliver is very expendable.

 

I hope potential trade partners/suitors feel as highly as some posters here feel about Oliver here as that would ensure we get a good payback. But when watching Oliver he is just not a game changer.  Does he make a play a game? Sure, but he has never dominated a game nor does he alter game plans.  He has heart, but is undersized and simply cannot finish big plays.  Yes, he deflected a pass in the KC, but that stated Mahommes also completed a TD pass while Oliver was trying to take him down and got put on his back from a single block and moved too easily to frequently. 

 

I get it, he seems like a good guy, seems to work hard, but we did not miss him at all during his time healing the high ankle sprain.  I feel in the colder weather when teams will be running more we need sheer size on the DL and Bryant and virtually every DT back up we have provides a solid alternative. 

 

Honestly, I do not consider this a hot take, just a common sense consideration when you take actual play into account not aspirations or hopes.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bates had a really good game vs KC. There is no chance they trade for Corbett. People need to understand this is the OL they wanted and paid for.

 

Depending on Browns injury you could see a depth OT added, but I highly doubt they’d be looking to replace a player like Bates they just extended.


I would love to see Hamler added to the WR group.

 

 

I don't know enough about Austin Corbett to know if he fits the profile. But if they Bills could trade a 3rd for a guaranteed starting OG, it wouldn't necessarily be to replace Bates. It would be for insurance this season, and having your Saffold replacement for next year. 

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5 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Everything Rock a Bye has said about the amount of cap space we can open up by restructuring is true. You can argue whether or how it may impact us down the line, but Bean can clear close to 60 million if needed (he wont clear that much). That’s EXACTLY why he structured these contracts the way he did especially with the foundation pieces that will be around for a long time.

 

The cap is a myth, I firmly believe that. It gives GMs an excuse to tell the fans when they don’t want to pay too much for a player (we really wanted to keep him, we just couldn’t fit him under the cap).

 

What people aren’t realizing is the cap is going to EXPLODE in the next few years. Not only the huge TV deal, but legal gambling has been an absolute gold mine for the NFL. Everything I’ve read and heard about gambling says that the amount the NFL is racking in vastly exceeds expectations. 

 

As long as you have an owner who’s wiling to write big checks when those restructures come into play, which we do, we can keep this train rolling for a loooong time.

 

Yes you can restructure guys and open cap room.  That was never in question.  Whats in question is whether opening that cap room to pay a bunch of stars while the rest of your team suffers with Bobby Harts all over the roster is the smart thing to do.  Couple that with down the road having a bunch of aging guys that cant play anymore on contracts that you cant get rid of because of dead cap.  It isn't smart.

 

This team is good because it was built intelligently.  It has stars in key areas then really good players in other and then role players.  Its has some holes. All teams have holes.  This is because the cap really does exist as much as people like you want to deny that.  This team is going to be good for a long time because the cap and its players are managed well.  They dont pick up the shiney expensive player every time one pops up.  They pick one up when it makes sense to pick one up.

 

This team is going to need to restructure just to field a roster and keep guys we already have.  Spending that restructure on players like a running back isnt the way to go.

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1 hour ago, IndyMark said:

Oliver is 100% tradable.

 

All things considered, and by that I mean (a) his contract status - Edmunds should be the priority (b) the fact we did not miss him while Injured (c) he is not a game changer and (d) we would want to protect draft picks if we make a trade to shore up our roster for a playoff and SB run, I feel Oliver is very expendable.

 

I hope potential trade partners/suitors feel as highly as some posters here feel about Oliver here as that would ensure we get a good payback. But when watching Oliver he is just not a game changer.  Does he make a play a game? Sure, but he has never dominated a game nor does he alter game plans.  He has heart, but is undersized and simply cannot finish big plays.  Yes, he deflected a pass in the KC, but that stated Mahommes also completed a TD pass while Oliver was trying to take him down and got put on his back from a single block and moved too easily to frequently. 

 

I get it, he seems like a good guy, seems to work hard, but we did not miss him at all during his time healing the high ankle sprain.  I feel in the colder weather when teams will be running more we need sheer size on the DL and Bryant and virtually every DT back up we have provides a solid alternative. 

 

Honestly, I do not consider this a hot take, just a common sense consideration when you take actual play into account not aspirations or hopes.

 

 

 

I agree if you’re talking about after this season as opposed to extending him. I wouldn’t want to trade him this year unless it’s for a plus starter on o line or safety. I’ll add to your argument in that he didn’t play 60% of snaps last year. 

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1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes you can restructure guys and open cap room.  That was never in question.  Whats in question is whether opening that cap room to pay a bunch of stars while the rest of your team suffers with Bobby Harts all over the roster is the smart thing to do.  Couple that with down the road having a bunch of aging guys that cant play anymore on contracts that you cant get rid of because of dead cap.  It isn't smart.

 

This team is good because it was built intelligently.  It has stars in key areas then really good players in other and then role players.  Its has some holes. All teams have holes.  This is because the cap really does exist as much as people like you want to deny that.  This team is going to be good for a long time because the cap and its players are managed well.  They dont pick up the shiney expensive player every time one pops up.  They pick one up when it makes sense to pick one up.

 

This team is going to need to restructure just to field a roster and keep guys we already have.  Spending that restructure on players like a running back isnt the way to go.

I agree with everything you said, but the fact is how and when you restructure contracts is part of cap management and Bean seems to be very very good at it. I was being a bit facetious when I stated the cap was a myth but it’s not nearly the hard stop many act like. You aren’t considering the fact that the cap is going to go up as well every year. I’ve seen predictions from 12-30 a year as the TV and gambling money comes in. You can bet the teams have a much better idea of just how much the cap will raise each year and what the future will look like.

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7 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

What exactly would you do in a heartbeat? The Panthers just rejected an offer of two 1st rounders for Burns.

Trade 2 1sts for Burns regardless of whether or not they accept the trade.  Guy is a game changer, which is why they said no to whoever offered the 2 #1’s.  

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34 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I agree with everything you said, but the fact is how and when you restructure contracts is part of cap management and Bean seems to be very very good at it. I was being a bit facetious when I stated the cap was a myth but it’s not nearly the hard stop many act like. You aren’t considering the fact that the cap is going to go up as well every year. I’ve seen predictions from 12-30 a year as the TV and gambling money comes in. You can bet the teams have a much better idea of just how much the cap will raise each year and what the future will look like.

 

Of course.  I dont disagree with that.  The argument all stems from someone pissed off over not getting McCaffrey though and wants to spend picks on a high dollar pass rusher when we already invest heavily in our D line rotation.  That stuff is what isnt smart.

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