NFLPA initiating investigation into Tua’s concussion protocol

[The Red King]

2 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Tua didnt do anything in the 2nd half. Wouldve made no difference him or bridgewater/

 

3rd and 21 would like a word with you.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, The Red King said:

The NFL wanted him in.  'Nuff said.

 

Please explain how that makes any sense at all.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Please explain how that makes any sense at all.  

I guess “nuff said” wasn’t ‘nuff after all. 😛

[BGORDO]

If QB1 for Miami says it was a “back injury” then who cares if his brain turns into a pineapple. That is his decision. The Bills will still win the Division, and Miami won’t make the playoffs. The Dolphins smell like the 2011 Bills. 
 

[What a Tuel]

10 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

3rd and 21 would like a word with you.

 

Thats nothing Bridgewater couldn't have done with all day against our depleted secondary 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[The Red King]

12 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Please explain how that makes any sense at all.  

 

NFL wanted him in so the Allen/Tua duel continued.  It's why the 'phins will get a slap on the wrist for it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

They should also look into shade for the opponents 

 

Are they going to wait until someone dies from heat stroke ?

 

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

for a guy who has suffered bad back issues 

 

that is not how one walks when you suffer from disc problems 

[newcam2012]

No one can convince me that Tua didn't suffer a concussion. It's as clear as a blue sky on a summer day. The signs were obvious beyond obvious. The league is looking into the matter. I'm not sure if it can be proved that the Dolphins were guilty of violating the rules. I believe the concussion rules talk about a player suffers any short lived impairment of neurological function that resolves quickly. That's a player suffering from a concussion. That fits the Tua situation to the letter. Not trying to get sympathy votes here but I really think the Dolphins should forfeit the game. The NFL needs to make a statement that this cannot happen. This shouldn't be just a slap on the wrist. Maybe I'm just pissed about the loss. What does everyone think? 

[CSBill]

They will never be made to forfeit a game. They may get a hefty fine, and maybe a coach suspension, loss of a draft pick, etc., but the NFL would never make a team forfeit a game--too may huge implications if that were to happen.

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

No one can convince me that Tua didn't suffer a concussion. It's as clear as a blue sky on a summer day. The signs were obvious beyond obvious. The league is looking into the matter. I'm not sure if it can be proved that the Dolphins were guilty of violating the rules. I believe the concussion rules talk about a player suffers any short lived impairment of neurological function that resolves quickly. That's a player suffering from a concussion. That fits the Tua situation to the letter. Not trying to get sympathy votes here but I really think the Dolphins should forfeit the game. The NFL needs to make a statement that this cannot happen. This shouldn't be just a slap on the wrist. Maybe I'm just pissed about the loss. What does everyone think? 

Are you and RJR related?

[Teddy KGB]

They said it was his back 

 

Don’t care 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t know the rules. I grew up watching players get knocked out and come back in the game. I feel like if a player passes protocol he should be able to return.

 

That said, rules are rules. If the Dolphins broke them they will be severely punished by the NFL. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Asking for a forfeit should be embarrassing.

 

But they should be fined and lose more draft picks.   It was blatant.   That was exactly the kind of old school " just had his bell rung" situation that they are trying to protect players against.  

 

For those that have never had a concussion.......it's normal to get one and then feel fine just a few minutes later..........only to start feeling the damage hours later when the swelling sets in and adrenaline has worn off.    

[Warcodered]

Yeah the forfeit thing is bull####, the game happened it's over, they should probably lose a draft pick or something if things come to light about the concussion protocol because the player safety needs to be important.

[Jammer8732]

Agreed that he was definitely concussed. The league will make an example out of this as a stern example for other teams tempted to follow Miami’s lead. It would have made sense for him to go to a local hospital for evaluation, certainly not taking the field after a whole half time break… Odds of a forfeit is about 0%. 

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

No one can convince me that Tua didn't suffer a concussion. It's as clear as a blue sky on a summer day. The signs were obvious beyond obvious. The league is looking into the matter. I'm not sure if it can be proved that the Dolphins were guilty of violating the rules. I believe the concussion rules talk about a player suffers any short lived impairment of neurological function that resolves quickly. That's a player suffering from a concussion. That fits the Tua situation to the letter. Not trying to get sympathy votes here but I really think the Dolphins should forfeit the game. The NFL needs to make a statement that this cannot happen. This shouldn't be just a slap on the wrist. Maybe I'm just pissed about the loss. What does everyone think? 

 

I think you are just pissed about the loss.

 

He was clearly concussed, and they will handle this with as little coverage as possible. Their procedures clearly failed, but they don’t want any more press than necessary. 

 

There is a slightly less than ZERO percent chance they forfeit. They just might lose a draft pick, however. That was some pretty obvious stuff. Hard to “prove”, but “intuitively obvious to the most casual observer” as the brainiac in high school geometry used to say. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Augie

[Warcodered]

 

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Asking for a forfeit should be embarrassing.

 

But they should be fined and lose more draft picks.   It was blatant.   That was exactly the kind of old school " just had his bell rung" situation that they are trying to protect players against.  

 

For those that have never had a concussion.......it's normal to get one and then feel fine just a few minutes later..........only to start feeling the damage hours later when the swelling sets in and adrenaline has worn off.    

That's the scariest part and weird emotional swings, depression and uncontrollably crying/sadness for no valid reason is *****in weird. 

[Dr.Sack]

With a game on Thursday night it’s no wonder why Miami is saying it’s a back injury. Instead of facing 2-2, Miami is willing to risk Tua’s long term health for the prospect of a 4-0 start. 

[LABILLBACKER]

There's supposed to be an NFL medically trained specialist at every stadium to test the player.  This whole back issue lie is pathetic.  The NFLPA will delve deep into this. 

[LV Bills fan]

The result would have been the same if Bridgewater stayed in, Tua made zero difference in that Dolphin victory. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, LV Bills fan said:

The result would have been the same if Bridgewater stayed in, Tua made zero difference in that Dolphin victory. 

 

Did you watch Teddy throwing the ball? I was afraid he might actually be better…..until he played. 

 

He might have found a rhythm in time, but he had an ugly start. 

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, LV Bills fan said:

The result would have been the same if Bridgewater stayed in, Tua made zero difference in that Dolphin victory. 

Did you skip the game ?   Tua made the one big play to Waddle 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Playoffs?]

Forfeit - haha!!

 

Nothing is gonna happen, and a fine is comical. 

[Ya Digg?]

Forfeit the game?? No one likes the loss, but asking for a forfeit looks really bad 

[Rc2catch]

Forfeit?? What? 
This is worthy of a cmon man!!! 
 

I could be wrong but I’m under the impression Concussions are dealt with by an independent doctor not the teams doctor. So that doctor in charge would be on the hook. 
Did Tua ever actually enter the concussion protocol?? Once again that’s not the teams decision, that call comes from above. They call down and pull players off the field all the time. 
You should be embarrassed to actually ask for a forfeit in this situation. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Rc2catch

[MPT]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Did you skip the game ?   Tua made the one big play to Waddle 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Rushing 3 contain and broken coverage made that play happen. Any QB can make that throw.

[blacklabel]

There were a lot of things wrong with that game. Guys were dropping every other play at one point so I was like, good lord I don't care who wins anymore can we just end this one? It sucked. 

 

Not to sound like a whiner but the heat, I think, needs to be discussed going forward. If the league gives a crap about player safety like they say they do then you'd think there'd be a rule that says you can't purposely make the opponent bake in the heat. 

 

Not too long ago I recall some Dolphins teams p*ssing and moaning about how every away game vs. Buffalo always happened in December. And they didn't think that was fair because the cold put them at a disadvantage. The next couple seasons the Bills would play Miami at home in September and October. When are they up here, week 15 is it? I hope the high that day is frickin' 7. Freeze your stupid fish bawlz off you nerds. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by blacklabel

[JDubya76]

On 9/25/2022 at 7:37 PM, Returntoglory said:

Why did he not go straight to the NFL tent on the sidelines??

Shade inside of shade, would have been luxurious.

[newcam2012]

37 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah the forfeit thing is bull####, the game happened it's over, they should probably lose a draft pick or something if things come to light about the concussion protocol because the player safety needs to be important.

Is it really BS? Tua ahould have never been allowed to play. I believe that is cheating. It doesn't matter how he played and if he made a difference. The fact is a player who is their leader and number 1 QB shouldn't have played. The dolphin doctors should be held accountable too. One doctor can always overrule another or get a sexond opinion. Plus, that was so obvious a blind doctor could see Tua suffered a concussion. Ok now I'll shut up. 

41 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's supposed to be an NFL medically trained specialist at every stadium to test the player.  This whole back issue lie is pathetic.  The NFLPA will delve deep into this. 

If the NFL doesn't get involved they are opening themselves up to possible lawsuits. They just can't sit idle and ignore what happened. 

41 minutes ago, LV Bills fan said:

The result would have been the same if Bridgewater stayed in, Tua made zero difference in that Dolphin victory. 

That's not the point. Plus, you don't really know that's the case. Either way your response falls woefully short. 

[newcam2012]

29 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Forfeit the game?? No one likes the loss, but asking for a forfeit looks really bad 

Perhaps but I think its appropriate punishment. 

[Playoffs?]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Is it really BS? Tua ahould have never been allowed to play. I believe that is cheating. It doesn't matter how he played and if he made a difference. The fact is a player who is their leader and number 1 QB shouldn't have played. The dolphin doctors should be held accountable too. One doctor can always overrule another or get a sexond opinion. Plus, that was so obvious a blind doctor could see Tua suffered a concussion. Ok now I'll shut up. 

Gotta stop with this stuff. 
Nothing is going to happen.  It’s not like Tua was injecting steroids at halftime.  He didn’t come out a better player. If he was truly concussed and Miami played him, then they’re lucky he didn’t hurt himself worse. 
 

But how the heck do you prove anything now?!?  
 

Let it go. It’s done. Bills lost. Weird game all the way around. Best to forget it, get healthy and move on. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I’m confused at those calling for a fine/suspension/punishment to the Fins.

 

Doesn’t an independent neurologist have to approve the reentry of a player? If they gave them the go-ahead, how would that be on the Dolphins ? They got him cleared, so he played. 
 

Am I missing something? 
 

I know they said it was his back, but still, the independent Dr. still needs to pass him.

[DJB]

I’m a paramedic and my sister is an emergency physician.

 

We both agree that he was concussed on the play 100%.

[DapperCam]

He hit the back of his head just like Lamar in our playoff game.

[Herc11]

1 hour ago, LV Bills fan said:

The result would have been the same if Bridgewater stayed in, Tua made zero difference in that Dolphin victory. 

Bridgewater isn't converting 3rd and 22

[Playoffs?]

10 minutes ago, DJB said:

I’m a paramedic and my sister is an emergency physician.

 

We both agree that he was concussed on the play 100%.

I agree too.  Not arguing with you at all (and this question is not directed at you), but how can anything even be proved?  

 

The Dolphins say, we checked his head, it’s fine. It was his back that was the issue. Who’s gonna say otherwise. Then on top, he still goes back out and makes a game changing play on a long 3rd down, so clearly he was ‘good enough.’  Just feel like the NFL is saying what it needs to say… but what the heck are they gonna do to prove anything?

[Herc11]

23 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I’m confused at those calling for a fine/suspension/punishment to the Fins.

 

Doesn’t an independent neurologist have to approve the reentry of a player? If they gave them the go-ahead, how would that be on the Dolphins ? They got him cleared, so he played. 
 

Am I missing something? 
 

I know they said it was his back, but still, the independent Dr. still needs to pass him.

 

Its supposedly an independent doctor, but truly where do you think the doctor comes from? I'm sure its a doctor from the home team area. I highly doubt the NFL is flying in doctors from different areas, for every game. These "independent" doctors may not be so independent in each situation.

5 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

I agree too.  Not arguing with you at all (and this question is not directed at you), but how can anything even be proved?  

 

The Dolphins say, we checked his head, it’s fine. It was his back that was the issue. Who’s gonna say otherwise. Then on top, he still goes back out and makes a game changing play on a long 3rd down, so clearly he was ‘good enough.’  Just feel like the NFL is saying what it needs to say… but what the heck are they gonna do to prove anything?

The whole argument about him coming back and still being able to play fine is ridiculous. In the era before concussions were a big deal players routinely kept playing and did good.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Herc11

[frostbitmic]

The Dr asks Tua ... I'm holding up three fingers, how many fingers am I holding up ?

 

Tua answers ... Yellow

 

Dr ... He's alright, looks like a Spine injury to me, put him back in.