Two Ex Bills (Hughes & Howard) Were the Stars of the Texans Tie with the Colts

[chongli]

3 hours ago, stuvian said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-11220859/Jerry-Hughes-fined-5-305-pants-didnt-cover-entire-knee-game-vs-Colts.html

 

I posted this yesterday on another thread here, but here it is again:

 

 

 

[HOUSE]

Texan football is not on my menu 

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Apparently going to a new team did not diminish the officials love for Jerry Hughes.  

I mean he did get that one assh@le fired.

[Scott7975]

Might as well keep tabs.  People want to criticize the Bills and be like ohhhh no they made a mistake with Howard.

 

Week 2 - 1 catch 7 yards.

[GreggTX]

I'm happy for Hughes. He'll always be a Bill to me. I hope we don't regret letting Howard go.

[NewEra]

Jerry with another 2 sacks- 4 in 3 games- 1 int- 1 ff.  He’s still a beast and criminally underrated by many on this board.  His last several years in Buffalo, he was the only pass rush threat the opposing QBs had to worry about and keep an eye on.  So they did…..and many of his would be sacks weren’t sacks because the opposing QBs were only paying attention to him in the pass rush. 

[StHustle]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Jerry with another 2 sacks- 4 in 3 games- 1 int- 1 ff.  He’s still a beast and criminally underrated by many on this board.  His last several years in Buffalo, he was the only pass rush threat the opposing QBs had to worry about and keep an eye on.  So they did…..and many of his would be sacks weren’t sacks because the opposing QBs were only paying attention to him in the pass rush. 

We simply couldn’t afford Jerry. Didn’t make sense after signing Von. While I wish he had that Linda production here…I’m happy for em and hope he has the best statistical season of his career this year.

[Mr. WEO]

Jerry and Howard will be watching the Bills in the playoffs at their local Buffalo Wild Wings as Frank takes their order...

 

[RocCityRoller]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Jerry with another 2 sacks- 4 in 3 games- 1 int- 1 ff.  He’s still a beast and criminally underrated by many on this board.  His last several years in Buffalo, he was the only pass rush threat the opposing QBs had to worry about and keep an eye on.  So they did…..and many of his would be sacks weren’t sacks because the opposing QBs were only paying attention to him in the pass rush. 

 

Let's have a moment of clarity off of a bad loss.

 

Jerry Hughes was a trade steal. A real steal, we won that trade 10/10. I like Jerry Hughes a lot as a fan, but he was never a guy who could elevate a DL on his own. He is an exceptional role player on a good unit.

 

Also real, once Jerry called out the refs (and he had a solid point) he never got a call for holding against since. He could have been decapitated rushing the passer and not gotten a call again. If his head was cut off by a LT like a chicken, and his spasmodic corpse would have hit a QB he would have been hit with a 'roughing the passer' penalty. Decapitated and all.

 

Neither he or Addison could close on the pass rush by 2021. They created hurries etc, but those don't amount to anything against the best QBs in the league. Kyler Murray was 'hurried' on the Hail Murray. Jerry Hughes was never going to get a call in his favor, ever, in a Bills uniform.

 

He and Addison could not close anymore, and the refs were not going to rule in his favor. Now that Jerry is in 'NFL Siberia' he is getting to play again. The Bills should have traded him earlier for more value.

 

We should be looking at Rousseau, who has 3.5 sacks in 3 games. The Bills should have gone the 'Rousseau' path earlier. I am convinced Rousseau and Miller/ Basham make 20+ sacks throughout the season. I think Rousseau gets 10-12 alone. Hughes and Addison could not get 10 between them.

 

I don't hate Jerry, but he ran his course here. His stats the past few years were Chris Kelsay like, no one loves Chris Kelsay.

 

Chis Kelsay 2009-2012 = 46 games, 15.5 sacks, 18 TFL, 28 QB hits, 4 FF, 1 safety

Jerry Hughes 2018-2021 = 63 games, 18sacks, 24 TFL, 37 QB hits, 7 FF, 0 safety

 

Kelsay missed 12 games in his last season. If you do a per game breakdown, Jerry Hughes = Chris Kelsay the last 4 years.

 

I'll take my chances with Rousseau.

 

Happy Jerry is getting some much needed love in Houston. He is a solid pro.

[NewEra]

57 minutes ago, StHustle said:

We simply couldn’t afford Jerry. Didn’t make sense after signing Von. While I wish he had that Linda production here…I’m happy for em and hope he has the best statistical season of his career this year.

Who said anything about keeping him.  I realize why he’s not here.  If he would’ve taken the minimum, he would’ve been a bill.  He wanted his 5M gtd.  
 

A productive pass rusher for 4-5M a year is a great deal.  I’d rather we had cut Shaq and Matakavich.  We could’ve used him yesterday while Basham, Shaq and epenesa were invisible 

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Let's have a moment of clarity off of a bad loss.

 

Jerry Hughes was a trade steal. A real steal, we won that trade 10/10. I like Jerry Hughes a lot as a fan, but he was never a guy who could elevate a DL on his own. He is an exceptional role player on a good unit.

 

Also real, once Jerry called out the refs (and he had a solid point) he never got a call for holding against since. He could have been decapitated rushing the passer and not gotten a call again. If his head was cut off by a LT like a chicken, and his spasmodic corpse would have hit a QB he would have been hit with a 'roughing the passer' penalty. Decapitated and all.

 

Neither he or Addison could close on the pass rush by 2021. They created hurries etc, but those don't amount to anything against the best QBs in the league. Kyler Murray was 'hurried' on the Hail Murray. Jerry Hughes was never going to get a call in his favor, ever, in a Bills uniform.

 

He and Addison could not close anymore, and the refs were not going to rule in his favor. Now that Jerry is in 'NFL Siberia' he is getting to play again. The Bills should have traded him earlier for more value.

 

We should be looking at Rousseau, who has 3.5 sacks in 3 games. The Bills should have gone the 'Rousseau' path earlier. I am convinced Rousseau and Miller/ Basham make 20+ sacks throughout the season. I think Rousseau gets 10-12 alone. Hughes and Addison could not get 10 between them.

 

I don't hate Jerry, but he ran his course here. His stats the past few years were Chris Kelsay like, no one loves Chris Kelsay.

 

Chis Kelsay 2009-2012 = 46 games, 15.5 sacks, 18 TFL, 28 QB hits, 4 FF, 1 safety

Jerry Hughes 2018-2021 = 63 games, 18sacks, 24 TFL, 37 QB hits, 7 FF, 0 safety

 

Kelsay missed 12 games in his last season. If you do a per game breakdown, Jerry Hughes = Chris Kelsay the last 4 years.

 

I'll take my chances with Rousseau.

 

Happy Jerry is getting some much needed love in Houston. He is a solid pro.

Why not show Jerry’s pass run win rate vs Kelsey’s.  How about hurries and pressure?
 

Only showing the stats that Kelsey can compare to Hughes makes you the exact poster I was referencing.  You just don’t understand.  No offense, I have respect for you, but this is a poor take.  Comparing him to Kelsey is idiotic.  Watch the games….. Jerry is far superior in every aspect of the game, yet you use stats and act like they are similar. They are not.  
 

rousseau is great.  He has 3.5 sacks.  Jerry has 4…..while playing with no one good along the line.  

[RocCityRoller]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Why not show Jerry’s pass run win rate vs Kelsey’s.  How about hurries and pressure?
 

Only showing the stats that Kelsey can compare to Hughes makes you the exact poster I was referencing.  You just don’t understand.  No offense, I have respect for you, but this is a poor take.  Comparing him to Kelsey is idiotic.  Watch the games….. Jerry is far superior in every aspect of the game, yet you use stats and act like they are similar. They are not.  
 

rousseau is great.  He has 3.5 sacks.  Jerry has 4…..while playing with no one good along the line.  

Hey New Era, I feel the same about you. You make good posts, personal attacks would be silly.

 

The simple fact is that Jerry was not winning in any way, shape or form over replacement value for the Bills the past couple of years. The DE (Hughes and Addison) got plenty of rushes and hits, but none of them effected any games. I know it hurts to hear that. Please show me any stats, any, that show Jerry was a (+) DE the last 3 or so seasons. He wasn't, not in Buffalo. Addison was the better DE, and no one misses Addison.

 

I'm happy for Hughes in Houston. He is getting a new start there. He is playing well. Jerry Hughes is no longer Super Bowl caliber unless he is DE 4 or worse. The Bills made the right choice going young and with Von Miller.

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Hey New Era, I feel the same about you. You make good posts, personal attacks would be silly.

 

The simple fact is that Jerry was not winning in any way, shape or form over replacement value for the Bills the past couple of years. The DE (Hughes and Addison) got plenty of rushes and hits, but none of them effected any games. I know it hurts to hear that. Please show me any stats, any, that show Jerry was a (+) DE the last 3 or so seasons. He wasn't, not in Buffalo. Addison was the better DE, and no one misses Addison.

 

I'm happy for Hughes in Houston. He is getting a new start there. He is playing well. Jerry Hughes is no longer Super Bowl caliber unless he is DE 4 or worse. The Bills made the right choice going young and with Von Miller.

Sorry bro…. But you don’t know what winning is.  His pass rush win rate EVERY SEASON says the exact opposite of what you’re saying.  He was much better at rushing the passer than all of his replacements.  What are you even talking about?   Every stat except sacks say so….

 

you look at one stat….and it isn’t the only stat that matters.  

[RocCityRoller]

Just now, NewEra said:

Sorry bro…. But you don’t know what winning is.  His pass rush win rate EVERY SEASON says the exact opposite of what you’re saying.  He was much better at rushing the passer than all of his replacements.  What are you even talking about?   Every stat except sacks say so….

 

you look at one stat….and it isn’t the only stat that matters.  

I would be happy to have you prove me wrong. What do you mean by 'pass rush win rate'? Where do I find that? What does it mean?

 

I know Jerry had 18 actual sacks over 4 seasons a a Bill. 4-5 sacks a season. Those are facts. Hughes and Addison both had problems taking QBs down.

 

Hughes had an issue with the referees that used to be obvious. Again, I like Hughes, but he is not a game changer on this team.

 

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

I would be happy to have you prove me wrong. What do you mean by 'pass rush win rate'? Where do I find that? What does it mean?

 

I know Jerry had 18 actual sacks over 4 seasons a a Bill. 4-5 sacks a season. Those are facts. Hughes and Addison both had problems taking QBs down.

 

Hughes had an issue with the referees that used to be obvious. Again, I like Hughes, but he is not a game changer on this team.

 

 

2020 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29939464/2020-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings?platform=amp

2021

Past 3 years.  

He beats his man more than most DE’s.

Edited September 27, 2022 by NewEra

[Adamb412]

This might sound stupid but with the amount of injuries we have would the Texans trade Hughes back to us if they are out for like a 5th rounder.

[BillsFanForever19]

33 minutes ago, Adamb412 said:

This might sound stupid but with the amount of injuries we have would the Texans trade Hughes back to us if they are out for like a 5th rounder.

 

Why? We have zero injuries at Defensive End. And why would we want to remove him from a starting position when he wouldn't start over Von Miller or Greg Rousseau? It's way past time for people to let go of Jerry Hughes.

Edited September 27, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Why? We have zero injuries at Defensive End. And why would we want to remove him from a starting position when he wouldn't start over Von Miller or Greg Rousseau? It's way past time for people to let go of Jerry Hughes.

Because we’re trying to win a super bowl.  Upgrading pass rusher should always be a priority.  
 

Shaq is meh, cut him.  Jerry would be a huge upgrade over everyone not named Miller or Rousseau

[NewEra]

Primetime Thursday night game Vs maybe the best OL in the league.  2 more sacks for Jerry-  7 on the season.

 

1 sack behind Parsons.  1.5 sack behind Bosa.  1 more sack than Von Miller.  
 

Yeah…..he’s toast alright.  Boogie Basham and Aj are better.  🤣  Suuuure. 

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Primetime Thursday night game Vs maybe the best OL in the league.  2 more sacks for Jerry-  7 on the season.

 

1 sack behind Parsons.  1.5 sack behind Bosa.  1 more sack than Von Miller.  
 

Yeah…..he’s toast alright.  Boogie Basham and Aj are better.  🤣  Suuuure. 

Jerry is still a good player and would’ve probably looked great rushing opposite Von, but he wasn’t coming back to this team as a backup. It was time for the youth to step up.

[billsfanmiamioh]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Primetime Thursday night game Vs maybe the best OL in the league.  2 more sacks for Jerry-  7 on the season.

 

1 sack behind Parsons.  1.5 sack behind Bosa.  1 more sack than Von Miller.  
 

Yeah…..he’s toast alright.  Boogie Basham and Aj are better.  🤣  Suuuure. 

Jerry isn’t playing on a rookie contract. It’s that simple, really. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Primetime Thursday night game Vs maybe the best OL in the league.  2 more sacks for Jerry-  7 on the season.

 

1 sack behind Parsons.  1.5 sack behind Bosa.  1 more sack than Von Miller.  
 

Yeah…..he’s toast alright.  Boogie Basham and Aj are better.  🤣  Suuuure. 

 

Definitely getting home a little bit more effectively than he has.  He's always had the pressure numbers though.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Glad to see Hughes is still playing well and making the most of his time in Houston. Good for Jerry.

[H2o]

I'm happy for Jerry. He was a great member of the Bills for years. He had some stupid penalties at times, and had trouble actually getting home for the sack when we needed it most, but he was always up there in pressure rates. He's having a bit of a revival in Houston. Good for him. We needed to look to the future and see what we had in the younger guys. That's what we are doing. He would be a nice rotational piece if we still had him, but they wanted to use the $$$ elsewhere. I'm not disappointed he's gone. Our DL has definitely been upgraded versus last year. It's a win for both the Bills and Hughes, except Jerry's team isn't winning. 

[streetkings01]

You keep Jerry you don’t get Von Miller.

[MarkyMannn]

36 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

You keep Jerry you don’t get Von Miller.

OR Rousseau could be on the bench, or getting much fewer snaps. Greg R is the future

[mrags]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Primetime Thursday night game Vs maybe the best OL in the league.  2 more sacks for Jerry-  7 on the season.

 

1 sack behind Parsons.  1.5 sack behind Bosa.  1 more sack than Von Miller.  
 

Yeah…..he’s toast alright.  Boogie Basham and Aj are better.  🤣  Suuuure. 

I definitely would have rather had Jerry than AJ. He’s a bust. He has a couple good plays every year that give us hope then he goes incognito for the rest of the year. 

10 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

OR Rousseau could be on the bench, or getting much fewer snaps. Greg R is the future

With the rotation we have at DL. We would be fine 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Primetime Thursday night game Vs maybe the best OL in the league.  2 more sacks for Jerry-  7 on the season.

 

1 sack behind Parsons.  1.5 sack behind Bosa.  1 more sack than Von Miller.  
 

Yeah…..he’s toast alright.  Boogie Basham and Aj are better.  🤣  Suuuure. 

Hughes>AJ/Boogie. Von and Jerry would've caused havoc in pass rush situations. With Groot and Phillips pushing the interior. 

[Mikey152]

They also ran right at him quite effectively...

 

I love Jerry and wish he could have retired a Bill, but at his age and salary, it just wasn't a fit and they parted amicably.

[KDIGGZ]

Do AJ and Boogie even play for this team? I don't think I've heard their name once this entire season. Hopefully we let Jerry go because it was a money thing and not because we were trying to get younger at the position 

[MWK]

I guess Jerry doesn't have any "injuries" that he's using to justify not getting any sacks like he did while he was in Buffalo. 

[John from Riverside]

I can root for Jerry and understand why he’s not on the team at the same time

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Ford, Epenesa, and Moss are massive busts.  Too soon to say about Basham. Every GM misses. Just odd that Benae has missed in the second and third round and has had better success in the later rounds. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ford, Epenesa, and Moss are massive busts.  Too soon to say about Basham. Every GM misses. Just odd that Benae has missed in the second and third round and has had better success in the later rounds. 

Oh come on massive busts let’s not exaggerate here

 

Epenesa is in a rotation and has had his moments

Ford got traded to another team I could be wrong on that And is starting for them

Moss Just got traded

 

Massive busts don’t have trade value

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ford, Epenesa, and Moss are massive busts.  Too soon to say about Basham. Every GM misses. Just odd that Benae has missed in the second and third round and has had better success in the later rounds. 

Beane could've made better "business decisions"😎

Edited November 4, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[Beast]

14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ford, Epenesa, and Moss are massive busts.  Too soon to say about Basham. Every GM misses. Just odd that Benae has missed in the second and third round and has had better success in the later rounds. 

Epenesa is a bust?

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

He would have been nice to have on passing downs in the rotation. Could have moved Greg inside with Von and Jerry outside

Edited November 4, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Jerry isn’t playing on a rookie contract. It’s that simple, really. 

Contracts and other factors are overlooked by many

Edited November 4, 2022 by Matt_In_NH

[NewEra]

48 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Contracts and other factors are overlooked by many

No they aren’t overlooked.  I realize why he’s not here- money.  I’ve stated that a million times.  As has everyone else that still shows him support.  
 

The bottom line is- Beane is in control of how he wants to allocate his cap as well as how much cap he wants to kick down the road in order to win now.  We could’ve paid Jerry 4M a year. We didn’t have to keep Matakavich. He chose a ST player over a proven pass rusher. He chose not to restructure some contracts in order to make the room.  
 

I 💯 understand his his decision not to bring him back.  He invested 2nd rd picks in Basham and epenesa and Jerry being here would keep them on the bench.  He’s hoping that they flourish with more snaps.  he also didn’t want to kick more cap down the road.  
 

i just think he would’ve thrived opposite von and Rousseau.  This would’ve been the first opportunity to rush opposite a legit bookend since Mario left.  Rousseau was just a baby last year.  Seems to me he was always a split second late to the qb partly because the QB only had to worry about him.  
 

I’d take Jerry over Matakavich every day of the week.  
 

[Wayne Arnold]

Re: OJ Howard, am I the only one who thinks only those who played a regular season game for the Bills should be considered an ex-Bill?