billsbackto81 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Presented for you reading entertainment. 😂 Crying over the supposed double standard. I found it comical to say the least. https://phinphanatic.com/2022/09/09/josh-allen-underthrows-pass-tua-tagovailoa-gets-criticized/ 14 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 God, I hate the Fish 2 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Young QBs w question marks are going to get criticized until they start playing above it 2 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. 7 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Young QBs w question marks are going to get criticized until they start playing above it I mean it's not like JA got raked over the coals his first 2 seasons, right? 3 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. Difference being Allen actually was better than he was made out to be 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 LOL- Like Tua would have the arm strength to throw an a 55 yard piss missile on the run. The difference? Tua doesn't attempt that pass-(The TD to diggs) If he does, It is 15 yards under thrown as he simply does not have half the arm strength JA17 has 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Difference being Allen actually was better than he was made out to be I wasn't talking about Josh. I was talking generally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. Very true GB, but Allen though raw at the start and had his share of boneheaded plays still displayed amazing athleticism, arm talent and overall intelligence. What has Tua shown outside of decent accuracy? They have no choice but to prop up their QB because they'll never get over the fact they took Tua over Herbert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Presented for you reading entertainment. 😂 Crying over the supposed double standard. I found it comical to say the least. https://phinphanatic.com/2022/09/09/josh-allen-underthrows-pass-tua-tagovailoa-gets-criticized/ Quote If I recall, Tua was a national treasure, a “can’t miss NFL prospect” when he was at Alabama. Then he hurt his hip and then Miami drafted him. Then the narrative changed. If he was a can't miss prospect he would have told his buddy in New England and the GM would have asked the HC do you want me to draft him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, billsbackto81 said: Very true GB, but Allen though raw at the start and had his share of boneheaded plays still displayed amazing athleticism, arm talent and overall intelligence. What has Tua shown outside of decent accuracy? They have no choice but to prop up their QB because they'll never get over the fact they took Tua over Herbert. I wasn't really meaning Allen so much. We did it for years with guys, and not just QBs either. I remember when Kiko Alonso had his hot start in 2013 and then a talking head (I think it was Brian Billick from memory) did a spot where he said "this kid might be making plays but he is out of position all of the time and eventually that will hurt you" and Bills Mafia went wild. Billick was right. It is just what fanbases, especially those starved of success, do. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Miami fans.. they're already worse than Patriots fans and the pats fans at least had a 20 year run and the GOAT at QB. I hope they finish below the Jets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I find the comparison offensive. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 At least they don’t cry racism every chance they get like Lamar’s fan base 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Very true GB, but Allen though raw at the start and had his share of boneheaded plays still displayed amazing athleticism, arm talent and overall intelligence. What has Tua shown outside of decent accuracy? They have no choice but to prop up their QB because they'll never get over the fact they took Tua over Herbert. I thank them for that decision everytime I watch Herbert play, that kid is almost as athletic as JA and far more polished than Allen was at the same point. I still don’t see the killer instinct in him, but I’ll take playing Tua EVERY TIME over Herbert. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 In the Simms interview Josh said he has been focusing on underthrowing a bit when he has someone deep down field so as to assure a chance for a completion. In his bad long ball year of 2019 all the deep throws were overthrown. Now he’s connecting deep down field virtually every game. The difference is Tua is not trying to underthrow. He just can’t get it there. 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) This is what happens when people put too much stock into college football IMO. College games are bought and paid for. Big names pay lower teams to get beat up on. it’s sweet when the underdog kicks the crap out of the big name team. ask yourself Why is the average NFL players career roughly 3 years? You end up with the Tua’s and Mac Jones’ portrayed as being legit Sam Darnold? Basically done as a starter Faker Mayfield may not be far behind and then the fans get all moody someone disagrees with them. Edited September 11, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. “used to get super sensitive” or “always will be super sensitive”? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 For anyone that ever played a year of HS football, you realize the passes were not under thrown, neither were the passes in the dirt to Beasley last year. It prevents intercepted passes. Geeeez, I have to explain everything around here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Very true GB, but Allen though raw at the start and had his share of boneheaded plays still displayed amazing athleticism, arm talent and overall intelligence. What has Tua shown outside of decent accuracy? They have no choice but to prop up their QB because they'll never get over the fact they took Tua over Herbert. Honest question: do you think Miami fans are even aware that they took Tua over Herbert while Herbert is shaping to be a far better QB? They just don't seem aware that yes, Burrow was drafted #1 and has already been to a Superbowl but you know, there's a QB who was on the board who you could have drafted, and he's looked aMAZing the last two years.... Maybe I'm wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, gobills404 said: At least they don’t cry racism every chance they get like Lamar’s fan base Because nobody here is worried about Josh's running getting him hurt. 🤔 18 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: This what happens when people put too much stock into college football IMO. College games are bought and paid for. Big names pay lower teams to get beat up on. it’s sweet when the underdog kicks the crap out of the big name team. ask yourself Why is the average NFL players career roughly 3 years? You end up with the Tua’s and Mac Jones’ portrayed as being legit Sam Darnold? Basically done as a starter Faker Mayfield may not be far behind and then the fans get all moody someone disagrees with them. I don't know about that, but for me as a rule with Alabama QBs with the amount of talent and coaching around them they better be lighting the college football world on fire if you want them to do the same in the NFL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 I’m done with this. I’m done with them. At least Pats fans bad mouth the Bills out of obvious envy. You can hear it whenever they speak. The pain is literally unhideable. These Dolphins fans try to puff up their chest and walk right next to the Bills thinking they deserve to be in the same glow. I absolutely can’t believe I am saying this, but here it is… …go patriots. 1 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, gobills404 said: At least they don’t cry racism every chance they get like Lamar’s fan base I agree. Josh Allen has more athleticism than any other QB in NFL ever and Lemur Jackson's QB career is not sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. Ya but once allen was playing well people were still clinging to the narrative it was a little different. It took literally two full seasons of mvp level play to win over the critics. Most young quarterbacks don't get that much scrutiny. But Tua has not had a game even close to that level yet. Edited September 10, 2022 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I’m done with this. I’m done with them. At least Pats fans bad mouth the Bills out of obvious envy. You can hear it whenever they speak. The pain is literally unhideable. …go patriots. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO j/k 🙂 Edited September 10, 2022 by muppy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. Try to criticize Mac Jones over on Pats* forums. They will run you out of town saying he is the next goat and how smart he is then throw in he will do better with a simplified offense now that McDaniel is gone. The Pats** fanbase is one I truly relish seeing get caught up in QB purgatory! 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bills fans used to get super sensitive too. It is what fans trying to sell themselves that their guys are better than they are do. That used to be us. Miami are very much in that spot. I agree but with the caveat that with regards to Allen there really never has been a comp for him and that includes his first two years in the league. After his first and second seasons many mocked him as a running back playing QB. Thing is, that’s not even really a put down. For a dude with his size that has a cannon and a gunslinger mentality to be so good with his feet that other fan bases mocked him as a “running back” was always actually a compliment IMO. Even now Miami fans like to point to Tua having better passing numbers than Allen in each players first two seasons. But Tua’s passing numbers are only marginally better and when you throw in each players contributions on the ground Allen laps Tua. That said it will be interesting to see what Tua can do this year. He may put up very good numbers and prove he can be a franchise guy. I’m still worried about his ability to be available consistently though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I agree but with the caveat that with regards to Allen there really never has been a comp for him and that includes his first two years in the league. After his first and second seasons many mocked him as a running back playing QB. Thing is, that’s not even really a put down. For a dude with his size that has a cannon and a gunslinger mentality to be so good with his feet that other fan bases mocked him as a “running back” was always actually a compliment IMO. Even now Miami fans like to point to Tua having better passing numbers than Allen in each players first two seasons. But Tua’s passing numbers are only marginally better and when you throw in each players contributions on the ground Allen laps Tua. That said it will be interesting to see what Tua can do this year. He may put up very good numbers and prove he can be a franchise guy. I’m still worried about his ability to be available consistently though. For the third time, my comment was not about Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wasn't talking about Josh. I was talking generally. should have mentioned that. Lol all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: LOL- Like Tua would have the arm strength to throw an a 55 yard piss missile on the run. The difference? Tua doesn't attempt that pass-(The TD to diggs) If he does, It is 15 yards under thrown as he simply does not have half the arm strength JA17 has Well, he could get it there, but he would have to float it super high, which would allow the defender to get back into the play. Weak armed QB's can throw it deep. It isn't about how far you are trying to throw it. All these QB's at the NFL level can throw the ball 50+ yards. It is about the velocity that you can get the ball down the field with. Mac Jones INT to Hyde in the playoffs is a great example. Decently deep ball thrown with good accuracy, but it had to be floated high in the air, which let Hyde get to it. Josh Allen can get the ball there much faster, which makes it much more difficult for defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: Presented for you reading entertainment. 😂 Crying over the supposed double standard. I found it comical to say the least. https://phinphanatic.com/2022/09/09/josh-allen-underthrows-pass-tua-tagovailoa-gets-criticized/ For me this is a big who cares? Tuna will have to prove on the field that he can do what JA does. Until then, what does all the chatter matter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 56 minutes ago, gobills404 said: At least they don’t cry racism every chance they get like Lamar’s fan base The guys twitter name is Toe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Hilarious. We are going to find out what he can and can’t do soon enough. For the record though, Tua cannot make that play Allen did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, MJS said: Well, he could get it there, but he would have to float it super high, which would allow the defender to get back into the play. Weak armed QB's can throw it deep. It isn't about how far you are trying to throw it. All these QB's at the NFL level can throw the ball 50+ yards. It is about the velocity that you can get the ball down the field with. Mac Jones INT to Hyde in the playoffs is a great example. Decently deep ball thrown with good accuracy, but it had to be floated high in the air, which let Hyde get to it. Josh Allen can get the ball there much faster, which makes it much more difficult for defenders. Very fair points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share Posted September 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I’m done with this. I’m done with them. At least Pats fans bad mouth the Bills out of obvious envy. You can hear it whenever they speak. The pain is literally unhideable. These Dolphins fans try to puff up their chest and walk right next to the Bills thinking they deserve to be in the same glow. I absolutely can’t believe I am saying this, but here it is… …go patriots. BLASPHEMY! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I agree but with the caveat that with regards to Allen there really never has been a comp for him and that includes his first two years in the league. After his first and second seasons many mocked him as a running back playing QB. Thing is, that’s not even really a put down. For a dude with his size that has a cannon and a gunslinger mentality to be so good with his feet that other fan bases mocked him as a “running back” was always actually a compliment IMO. Even now Miami fans like to point to Tua having better passing numbers than Allen in each players first two seasons. But Tua’s passing numbers are only marginally better and when you throw in each players contributions on the ground Allen laps Tua. That said it will be interesting to see what Tua can do this year. He may put up very good numbers and prove he can be a franchise guy. I’m still worried about his ability to be available consistently though. Ya know, some how, I am not worried in the slightest about Tua’s availability😂, Frankly, it is a forgone conclusion that Tua will be injured this season, after all, AJ Epenesa is coming for him…, 😁👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I absolutely can’t believe I am saying this, but here it is… …go patriots. Edited September 10, 2022 by Sierra Foothills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Good topic, but I don't think it's fair to laugh at Dolphins fanbase. All fanbases are the same or at least similar in this respect, including ours. There were tons of comments like "If Josh threw this INT like X then national media would eat him alive" over the last few years. I was reading opener thread on Chiefsplanet. When McKenzie caused that INT and Tirico said that it shouldn't be an INT but NHF (Not His Fault), Chiefs fans started screaming how unfair it was because last year Mahomes had several such "interceptions" and nobody had said that it was not his fault. So they are now crying that there is double standard when judging Allen and Mahomes lol. Let's just make sure we don't act that way. People are way too sensitive about their players overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: Presented for you reading entertainment. 😂 Crying over the supposed double standard. I found it comical to say the least. This is ridiculous… Schwartz could have substituted Tua for Mac Jones and made the same exact point. It’s more about the style of QB who’s accurate throwing short but is hesitant or struggles to push the ball downfield for big plays. 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Honest question: do you think Miami fans are even aware that they took Tua over Herbert while Herbert is shaping to be a far better QB? They just don't seem aware that yes, Burrow was drafted #1 and has already been to a Superbowl but you know, there's a QB who was on the board who you could have drafted, and he's looked aMAZing the last two years.... Maybe I'm wrong. Oh they are aware and know it was a misstep. They’ll try to rationale the decision for drafting Tua by comparing the records of both teams which don’t really tell you much. Edited September 10, 2022 by JohnNord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Presented for you reading entertainment. 😂 Crying over the supposed double standard. I found it comical to say the least. https://phinphanatic.com/2022/09/09/josh-allen-underthrows-pass-tua-tagovailoa-gets-criticized/ not sure what point the writer is trying to make…but, when you suck, you’re going to get criticized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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