Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[Dopey]

18 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I'm glad Buffalo has a guy who's content and loyal to the team, but if I was a confidant to Lamar, I could not in good conscience advise him to be loyal to his team if he doesn't honestly feel that way. We don't know his true  situation or relationship to the team and staff. There's a huge pie being served to these highly profitable organisations and he should be getting the biggest piece he can. Who are we to judge.

According to spotrac, Allen averages $43 million per year. It’s not like he gave us a hometown discount. Sure he’s loyal, cuz the money was right. Another example is Bates. He’s not here due to loyalty, we matched the Bears offer or he was gone. Von wanted to play for the Cowboys, but we gave  him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Stop kidding yourselves, it’s about the money. 

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

He can make $100 million guaranteed just playing on the franchise tag the next 2 seasons (after this one). So, about the same amount of guaranteed money in half the time.

 

Yeah it’s a risk. But it worked out pretty well for Cozens and I’d say Lamar is the better overall player. I can respect Lamar for being confident in his abilities and being willing to put his money where his mouth is.

 

but it’s definitely a risk.

 

Im sure glad we have Josh Allen. And I’m glad his #1 priority wasn’t just being the highest paid QB.

three years is a long time for a running qb.

[Putin]

On 9/9/2022 at 10:09 AM, Boyst62 said:

If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else.

I’ve been hearing Miami a lot 

Can’t believe they offered him Josh Allen money and he refused !! 
Never thought a RB would decline that kind of money 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Methinks that Lamar, is looking forward to a bidding war, come Feb., for his services.

If he doesn't get flattened, in the meantime..

He knows how that’ll go too. He can refuse to sign the tag and force a trade. Then some team will cough up 3 first round picks plus some later ones as well as a fully guaranteed contract bigger than Watson’s. Just look at what some teams have at QB.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

He knows how that’ll go too. He can refuse to sign the tag and force a trade. Then some team will cough up 3 first round picks plus some later ones as well as a fully guaranteed contract bigger than Watson’s. Just look at what some teams have at QB.

I don't think any team is going to cough up 3 first round picks based on what we have seen him do on the field the last two years.  Maybe the first two years he played when there was heaps of potential and he was improving but he regressed in 2020, didn't pass for 3k yards (QB's should pass!), And just made bad reads behind a really good line.  He won't succeed. And it sucks. 

 

If he survives the season, starts every game it will be the first time in his career he does so... So I'd not count on it. 

[Simon]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I was just going to post an article on this.  If this is true then Jackson is an idiot.

 

I would suggest that the person who offered him that much money may also have some issues with good sense.

[Big Blitz]

The broadcast mentioned that Lamar put on 20 lbs in the off season. 

 

It showed.  He did NOT look as explosive.  The Jets did a good job containing him. 

 

 

The Ravens were far from impressive today.  

 

The Jets Offense was an abomination 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

He can make $100 million guaranteed just playing on the franchise tag the next 2 seasons (after this one). So, about the same amount of guaranteed money in half the time.

 

Yeah it’s a risk. But it worked out pretty well for Cozens and I’d say Lamar is the better overall player. I can respect Lamar for being confident in his abilities and being willing to put his money where his mouth is.

 

but it’s definitely a risk.

 

Im sure glad we have Josh Allen. And I’m glad his #1 priority wasn’t just being the highest paid QB.

 

 

lol, no.....

[wppete]

I really liked Lamar the first couple of years but he has become a true head case. The arrogance is off the charts. 

Humility not in his vocabulary.

[SCBills]

People pointing out how Lamar hit deep shots all day on the Jets, like SEE!!!

 

I even heard analysts doing it.  

 

Drives me crazy when people use the deep ball as proof a guy can QB. 
 

Most QB’s can dink, dunk and load up for a deep throw.   What separates the elite passers is the ability to read defenses, make progressions and throw in traffic.  Lamar struggles with all of it… and nothing he did today changes that. 

[LeGOATski]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Where does it end? At what point?

 

If you were a confidant to Lamar and the team offered him $1 BILLION, you would advise him to not take it if he doesn’t feel that way?

 

Not sure I understand this world where wise decisions are made on how we feel.

You're making the opposite point now. This is about money for Lamar. If they offered a billion, he would take it.

 

So, you must completely understand Lamar because this isn't about some loyal "feeling" towards the Ravens, it's about the bottom line.

6 hours ago, Dopey said:

According to spotrac, Allen averages $43 million per year. It’s not like he gave us a hometown discount. Sure he’s loyal, cuz the money was right. Another example is Bates. He’s not here due to loyalty, we matched the Bears offer or he was gone. Von wanted to play for the Cowboys, but we gave  him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Stop kidding yourselves, it’s about the money. 

I totally agree and that's my point with Lamar, but people like @Einsteinrag on him for being "selfish."

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You're making the opposite point now. This is about money for Lamar. If they offered a billion, he would take it.

 

So, you must completely understand Lamar because this isn't about some loyal "feeling" towards the Ravens, it's about the bottom line.

 

I think you missed the point I was making.

 

You stated that if you were his confidant, you could not in good faith advise him to take less money to be loyal to his team if he did not feel that way.

 

So I asked you - at what point would your advice change? At what point would you tell him (as his confidant); “Dude you’re being an idiot. Take the money.”

 

At what point?

 

As a thought exercise (not rooted in reality), what if Lamar wanted more than a billion? Would you still tell him (as his confidant) to not sign and to keep pushing for more?

 

37 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I totally agree and that's my point with Lamar, but people like @Einsteinrag on him for being "selfish."

 

He is selfish. That is undeniable. But that doesn’t necessarily mean a bad thing. The definition of selfishness is “concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure”

 

Is he not concerned chiefly with his own profit? Does he not care more about getting every last dime for himself, rather than helping his team have cap space to sign support players?

[Sestak4ever]

Lamar is not going to bring his team from being down two scores in the 4th quarter. He can play with a lead and in close games. I think the Ravens believe this also. He can be dynamic as it showed in his MVP season, but once teams game planned for his style his effectiveness diminished. Huntley actually played well for them when Jackson went down. And Hollywood Brown probably left to hopefully find a qb that could highlight his skill set. I agree with some of the other posters that his time in Baltimore will be coming to an end, whether through free agency or trade.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

People pointing out how Lamar hit deep shots all day on the Jets, like SEE!!!

 

I even heard analysts doing it.  

 

Drives me crazy when people use the deep ball as proof a guy can QB. 
 

Most QB’s can dink, dunk and load up for a deep throw.   What separates the elite passers is the ability to read defenses, make progressions and throw in traffic.  Lamar struggles with all of it… and nothing he did today changes that. 

 

Curious here.  Did you happen to watch the Ravens game today?

 

45 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

Lamar is not going to bring his team from being down two scores in the 4th quarter.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=JackLa00

 

Just this past season, he did this very thing multiple times.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Beck Water

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Curious here.  Did you happen to watch the Ravens game today?

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=JackLa00

 

Just this past season, he did this very thing multiple times.

 

I did and I did not think Lamar looked very good.  The difficulty to me was the talent he played with that bad or did he just struggle.  
 

He did hit a few nice passes in the second half - down the field, but especially early - he was off target on many throws and struggled as the strength of the Jets was the middle of the field and LBs - normally Lamar’s bread and butter.

 

I also noticed he was no where near as explosive running the ball and took several bigger hits as he could not explode to the outside.  I am not sure if that was again the way the Jets played defense, the lack of talent on the Ravens OL, or just game 1 trying to get back into things.

 

I will say they beat a Jets team with a terrible QB and OL, but I do not think Lamar did himself any favors in the game in terms of showing he deserves what he is looking for.

 

At least that is my opinion.

 

 

[Commish]

From Football Outsiders:

 

There's "betting on yourself" and then there's "Leave that heap of roulette winnings on the table. I'm gonna play Powerball instead!"

 

[without a drought]

13 hours ago, wppete said:

I really liked Lamar the first couple of years but he has become a true head case. The arrogance is off the charts. 

Humility not in his vocabulary.

Not quite James Cook level, but pretty bad.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bills2022]

18 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Methinks that Lamar, is looking forward to a bidding war, come Feb., for his services.

If he doesn't get flattened, in the meantime..

 

He is taking a huge risk.  Sorry, but it is hard to see guys like Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray ever beating the Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert types.  I can see the league passing on guys like Lamar when he goes to 1-4 in the playoffs after a guy like Mahomes or Herbert blow out the Ravens in the opening round.  

Lamar goes to 1-4 in the playoffs and the Ravens might even pass on him.

[galept]

2 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

He is taking a huge risk.  Sorry, but it is hard to see guys like Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray ever beating the Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert types.  I can see the league passing on guys like Lamar when he goes to 1-4 in the playoffs after a guy like Mahomes or Herbert blow out the Ravens in the opening round.  

Lamar goes to 1-4 in the playoffs and the Ravens might even pass on him.

 

I agree on most teams passing. Ravens may evaluate how bad they want him after playoffs and tag him once or twice while they find their next guy. They have time. I just don't see them caving to his demands whatsoever.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

He is taking a huge risk.  Sorry, but it is hard to see guys like Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray ever beating the Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert types.  I can see the league passing on guys like Lamar when he goes to 1-4 in the playoffs after a guy like Mahomes or Herbert blow out the Ravens in the opening round.  

Lamar goes to 1-4 in the playoffs and the Ravens might even pass on him.

Pretty sure Lamar Jackson is 1-0 vs Justin Herbert-led Chargers teams.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Pretty sure Lamar Jackson is 1-0 vs Justin Herbert-led Chargers teams.

 

I think he is 1-1 v Josh too. Won the regular season game in 2019, lost the playoff game in 2020. And while he is 1-3 against Mahomes the "1" is the most recent meeting.

 

It is never QB vs QB and he is clearly an inferior QB to those other 3 guys but he has beaten them all and so to say he "can't" is wrong IMO. It is more just he needs things to go his way to do so. 

 

If the NFL was a simple as the better QB wins every single game it would be a lot easier to predict!

[Bills2022]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Pretty sure Lamar Jackson is 1-0 vs Justin Herbert-led Chargers teams.

 

Pretty sure Lamar is 1-3 in the playoffs going into year 5.  Pretty sure our defense outscored Lamar when we played them in the playoffs.

 

Herbert in in year 3, not year 5.  Sorry, but Lamar is nowhere near the talent of Herbert.  Herbert actually now has a defense.  The Chargers and Chiefs are the only threats to the Bills in the AFC.  The Ravens are your typical 1 and done team.  

 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Bills2022 said:

 

Pretty sure Lamar is 1-3 in the playoffs going into year 5.  Pretty sure our defense outscored Lamar when we played them in the playoffs.

 

Herbert in in year 3, not year 5.  Sorry, but Lamar is nowhere near the talent of Herbert.  Herbert actually now has a defense.  The Chargers and Chiefs are the only threats to the Bills in the AFC.  The Ravens are your typical 1 and done team.  

 

Herbert is 0-0 in the playoffs

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

Pretty sure Lamar is 1-3 in the playoffs going into year 5.  Pretty sure our defense outscored Lamar when we played them in the playoffs.

 

Herbert in in year 3, not year 5.  Sorry, but Lamar is nowhere near the talent of Herbert.  Herbert actually now has a defense.  The Chargers and Chiefs are the only threats to the Bills in the AFC.  The Ravens are your typical 1 and done team.  

 

Purple = not for long

[Bills2022]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Herbert is 0-0 in the playoffs

 

He is in year 3. Not year 5.  Lamar has a QB playoff rating of 68.3 and an 1-3 record.   Allen has a 106.6 playoff rating.  Mahomes has a 105.7 playoff rating. Lamar can't handle playoff defenses. The playoffs are an entirely different animal. 

 

[Rampage]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Herbert is 0-0 in the playoffs

Herbert isn’t the reason the Chargers haven’t made the playoffs, if that’s the argument you’re actually trying to make.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Rampage said:

Herbert isn’t the reason the Chargers haven’t made the playoffs, if that’s the argument you’re actually trying to make.

The argument I'm actually trying to make is that using playoff stats to compare Jackson and Herbert isn't the knock some folks seem to think it is

[Bills2022]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

The argument I'm actually trying to make is that using playoff stats to compare Jackson and Herbert isn't the knock some folks seem to think it is

 

Herbert is a blank slate.  We don't know what he will do in the playoffs, but nobody will be shocked if he goes throw for throw with a Mahomes or Allen. And he is not in contract negotiations.  Jackson has already proven he struggles in the playoffs.   Jackson is a good QB.  He is not an elite QB that deserves elite QB money.  You can't give elite QB money to a guy that struggles in the playoffs.  Elite QB money goes to guys that teams think can win them a Super Bowl. The Ravens offer is a great offer. He goes to 1-4 in the playoffs and struggles against a guy like Mahomes) (a real possibility) why would anyone pay him the top tier money.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

29 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

Pretty sure Lamar is 1-3 in the playoffs going into year 5.  Pretty sure our defense outscored Lamar when we played them in the playoffs.

 

Herbert in in year 3, not year 5.  Sorry, but Lamar is nowhere near the talent of Herbert.  Herbert actually now has a defense.  The Chargers and Chiefs are the only threats to the Bills in the AFC.  The Ravens are your typical 1 and done team.  

 

Peyton Manning was 0-3 and didn’t win the SB until he was 30. The Ravens are 38-12 in starts with Lamar. Pretty sure to win in the playoffs, you need to make them first. 
 

it’s weird how some people love to try and trash a good young qb. Lamar isn’t a typical qb but you are lying to say it hasn’t been effective, even with subpar receivers. The Ravens will be a tough out with him as their qb.

28 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

He is in year 3. Not year 5.  Lamar has a QB playoff rating of 68.3 and an 1-3 record.   Allen has a 106.6 playoff rating.  Mahomes has a 105.7 playoff rating. Lamar can't handle playoff defenses. The playoffs are an entirely different animal. 

 

Again, you could pick a lot of young qbs and say they couldn’t handle playoffs defenses. See Manning, Peyton.

[Bills2022]

19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Peyton Manning was 0-3 and didn’t win the SB until he was 30. The Ravens are 38-12 in starts with Lamar. Pretty sure to win in the playoffs, you need to make them first. 
 

it’s weird how some people love to try and trash a good young qb. Lamar isn’t a typical qb but you are lying to say it hasn’t been effective, even with subpar receivers. The Ravens will be a tough out with him as their qb.

Again, you could pick a lot of young qbs and say they couldn’t handle playoffs defenses. See Manning, Peyton.

 

lol.  Comparing Lamar to Peyton is laughable. Peyton could throw the ball against playoff defenses. Lamar can't.  Lamar is a great athlete but he looks terrible throwing against NFL playoff defenses.  Teams figured out in the playoffs you just stop the Ravens run and make Lamar throw.  He is not a good enough thrower to beat the speed of NFL playoff defenses.  Going from regular season to the playoffs is like going from preseason to regular season. It is a different world.

 

 

 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

48 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

lol.  Comparing Lamar to Peyton is laughable. Peyton could throw the ball against playoff defenses. Lamar can't.  Lamar is a great athlete but he looks terrible throwing against NFL playoff defenses.  Teams figured out in the playoffs you just stop the Ravens run and make Lamar throw.  He is not a good enough thrower to beat the speed of NFL playoff defenses.  Going from regular season to the playoffs is like going from preseason to regular season. It is a different world.

 

 

 

 

 

Way to miss the point. The point is that people (stupid ones) trashed manning until he won a SB. 
 

the Ravens have a bottom 5 reviving core and they win 70% of games Jackson plays in. Dude has won a mvp and been a very good, albeit different nfl qb. Too many haters. 

[FilthyBeast]

I think this might end up being a big mistake by LJ.

 

He's a damn good QB, possibly in that top 5 conversation but unless he wants out of Baltimore altogether hard to understand this move by his camp.

 

Also the Browns completely destroyed the current/future QB market with the ridiculous Watson deal which is a big factor here.

[Rampage]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

I think this might end up being a big mistake by LJ.

 

He's a damn good QB, possibly in that top 5 conversation but unless he wants out of Baltimore altogether hard to understand this move by his camp.

 

Also the Browns completely destroyed the current/future QB market with the ridiculous Watson deal which is a big factor here.

His camp is him and his mom. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Peyton Manning was 0-3 and didn’t win the SB until he was 30. The Ravens are 38-12 in starts with Lamar. Pretty sure to win in the playoffs, you need to make them first. 
 

it’s weird how some people love to try and trash a good young qb. Lamar isn’t a typical qb but you are lying to say it hasn’t been effective, even with subpar receivers. The Ravens will be a tough out with him as their qb.

Again, you could pick a lot of young qbs and say they couldn’t handle playoffs defenses. See Manning, Peyton.

 

Nah. They only scored as many as 20 points in a playoff game when he has been QB (their only win). He hasn't thrown a TD pass since 2019.  4 games, 3 TDs, 5 ints, 19 sacks, 1 rushing TD.  Against the Bills, Ravens had the ball for 35 min and Buffalo had only 220 yards total Offense--still won.

 

They aren't a tough out with him at QB.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Nah. They only scored as many as 20 points in a playoff game when he has been QB (their only win). He hasn't thrown a TD pass since 2019.  4 games, 3 TDs, 5 ints, 19 sacks, 1 rushing TD.  Against the Bills, Ravens had the ball for 35 min and Buffalo had only 220 yards total Offense--still won.

 

They aren't a tough out with him at QB.

We’ll check back in 10 years when his career is over. I believe you were the guy who thought Andy Reid would never win a super bowl too. 😉

[RocCityRoller]

15 hours ago, SCBills said:

People pointing out how Lamar hit deep shots all day on the Jets, like SEE!!!

 

I even heard analysts doing it.  

 

Drives me crazy when people use the deep ball as proof a guy can QB. 
 

Most QB’s can dink, dunk and load up for a deep throw.   What separates the elite passers is the ability to read defenses, make progressions and throw in traffic.  Lamar struggles with all of it… and nothing he did today changes that. 

 

Lamar is definitely a polarizing player. But if the measuring stick is going to be Mahomes/ Allen/ Rodgers or your QB sucks, then there will be a lot of QBs 'who suck'.

 

I do think Lamar was overhyped early on, and I do think he is not a great natural passer, but to deny that he is a play maker is silly.

 

The league is moving to mobile QBs. Allen/ Jackson/ Hurts/ Lance/ Fields everyone is looking for a mobile QB who can beat you with arm/ legs and brain. Some guys will find success and some won't. Even guys like Tannehill/ Mahomes and Rodgers have enough wheels to get out of trouble or gain yards on the ground if the defense gives it. Tannehill/ Mahomes and Rodgers are football IQ high enough to make teams pay for leaving running lanes. No one should need to have to remind Bills fans about Tannehill's running ability, and he is a level 2 or 3 runner.

 

I watched some of the BAL vs Jets game yesterday. Jackson looked refreshed and pretty crisp. He is running less with each game. He may never be the passer that some other natural passers are, but he doesn't 'suck'. The passes to Duvernay were beautiful passes to a WR. He hit some passes in tight windows and his legs caused problems.

 

Everyone has an opinion, mine is that Jackson is a QB you can win with. Who knows wtf he is doing with negotiations? You can like a guy's ability without liking the player.

 

IMO the league is pretty exciting now because of all the style of play we are seeing from QBs and the offenses built around them. Jackson adds to that mix.

[TheBrownBear]

49 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Way to miss the point. The point is that people (stupid ones) trashed manning until he won a SB. 
 

the Ravens have a bottom 5 reviving core and they win 70% of games Jackson plays in. Dude has won a mvp and been a very good, albeit different nfl qb. Too many haters. 

I like Lamar.  He's a good QB, but I think people are beginning to sour on him because he hasn't shown any progress (and might have actually regressed) since his transcendent MVP season.  So, he's now in year 5 and he's got one really elite season under his belt that came back in 2019, and he's otherwise been meh ('18 and '21)-to-goodish (2020).  That's really where much of the fan criticism is coming from, along with the Ravens' hesitancy to fully "break the bank" for him.  He's in a prove it year.  If he bounces back and shows that the '19 MVP season wasn't a fluke, he'll get paid handsomely.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I like Lamar.  He's a good QB, but I think people are beginning to sour on him because he hasn't shown any progress (and might have actually regressed) since his transcendent MVP season.  So, he's now in year 5 and he's got one really elite season under his belt that came back in 2019, and he's otherwise been meh ('18 and '21)-to-goodish (2020).  That's really where much of the fan criticism is coming from, along with the Ravens' hesitancy to fully "break the bank" for him.  He's in a prove it year.  If he bounces back and shows that the '19 MVP season wasn't a fluke, he'll get paid handsomely.

That’s certainly fair but they were the number 1 seat in the nfl last year until they lost everyone. 
 

and as great as the Ravens are at team building, they have done a terrible job putting receivers around him. They should have done a Diggs type trade for Jackson. He’s not a great passer but that team does him no favors. 

[SCBills]

35 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Lamar is definitely a polarizing player. But if the measuring stick is going to be Mahomes/ Allen/ Rodgers or your QB sucks, then there will be a lot of QBs 'who suck'.

 

I do think Lamar was overhyped early on, and I do think he is not a great natural passer, but to deny that he is a play maker is silly.

 

The league is moving to mobile QBs. Allen/ Jackson/ Hurts/ Lance/ Fields everyone is looking for a mobile QB who can beat you with arm/ legs and brain. Some guys will find success and some won't. Even guys like Tannehill/ Mahomes and Rodgers have enough wheels to get out of trouble or gain yards on the ground if the defense gives it. Tannehill/ Mahomes and Rodgers are football IQ high enough to make teams pay for leaving running lanes. No one should need to have to remind Bills fans about Tannehill's running ability, and he is a level 2 or 3 runner.

 

I watched some of the BAL vs Jets game yesterday. Jackson looked refreshed and pretty crisp. He is running less with each game. He may never be the passer that some other natural passers are, but he doesn't 'suck'. The passes to Duvernay were beautiful passes to a WR. He hit some passes in tight windows and his legs caused problems.

 

Everyone has an opinion, mine is that Jackson is a QB you can win with. Who knows wtf he is doing with negotiations? You can like a guy's ability without liking the player.

 

IMO the league is pretty exciting now because of all the style of play we are seeing from QBs and the offenses built around them. Jackson adds to that mix.

 

Oh, I definitely don't think he sucks.  He's a Top 10 QB.  

 

I just don't think he's a $50M per year, fully guaranteed type QB.  Someone likely gets him that, or close to that, but as good as he is.. he has limitations that Allen, Mahomes, Herbert and Burrow do not.  Unfortunately for the Ravens, they are all in their conference.  

 

That doesn't even include whatever Watson may be when he comes back. 

[RocCityRoller]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Oh, I definitely don't think he sucks.  He's a Top 10 QB.  

 

I just don't think he's a $50M per year, fully guaranteed type QB.  Someone likely gets him that, or close to that, but as good as he is.. he has limitations that Allen, Mahomes, Herbert and Burrow do not.  Unfortunately for the Ravens, they are all in their conference.  

 

That doesn't even include whatever Watson may be when he comes back. 

 

Fair points. I think I was reacting to some general consensus here and around social media too.

 

The Watson deal was just dumb, but it is going to be a factor in all QB contracts for the next year or two.

 

Jackson passing on the offered deal was pretty bad IMO, but someone will pay him what or near what he wants.

I could see Seattle or the 49ers being in play if Trey Lance has trouble figuring it out this year.

Would be really interesting to see him in Indy too with Reich as a mentor and Taylor as a compliment.