Steel City Mafia Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Just now, Boyst62 said: If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else. Will anyone pay him what he wants though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Hire a damn agent like all elite athletes do. He will learn a pricey lesson very soon. 4 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else. I imagine the Ravens will block that by tagging him one or two more years - Ala Kirk Cousins. Then they can even look to move him for a premium of picks. I don’t think Lamar really sees FA at this time - they will use him up and then move on. 6 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Price continues to rise...Baltimore is going to be paying a lot for this muffler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 He should fire his agent. 1 2 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Pretty sure he can’t go anywhere if he’s tagged. If he wants serious money, dude needs to step up his game. He’s got skills. I just don’t see him as top 5, and maybe just outside the top 10. Not a pure passer. Josh elevates his teammates. Josh is a stud. Lamar certainly is no Josh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Herbert, burrow and Lamar all getting new contracts next off-season. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else. They can tag him if need be - I think they can tag him 2 years in a row? Opinion here but unless he's appreciably leveled-up his passing game, Lamar is going to have some hard learnings if he moves away from Roman. I think he's a system QB right now and Roman's system is proven ideal for a running QB who can throw deep well enough to keep teams from stacking the box. Edited September 9, 2022 by Beck Water 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) Can we bring him in as a pass catching running back? Edited September 9, 2022 by Bills!Win! 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Pretty sure he can’t go anywhere if he’s tagged. If he wants serious money, dude needs to step up his game. He’s got skills. I just don’t see him as top 5, and maybe just outside the top 10. Not a pure passer. Josh elevates his teammates. Josh is a stud. Lamar certainly is no Josh. Which is why the ravens traded their best receiver. LJ is either running it or dumping it to Andrews. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Will anyone pay him what he wants though? Yes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, wppete said: Hire a damn agent like all elite athletes do. He will learn a pricey lesson very soon. They'll make you their percentage back in endorsements, can prevent you from getting swindled by friends/family. Know trusting people in money management. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: Can we bring him in as a pass catching running back? No way, there will be a sizeable contingent of rockheads here pounding the table that he start as QB. 🙄😁 Edited September 9, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: They'll make you their percentage back in endorsements, can prevent you from getting swindled by friends/family. Know trusting people in money management. He’s going to learn the lesson of big money sharks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills92 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Price continues to rise...Baltimore is going to be paying a lot for this muffler. I'm sure the Baltimore FO knows this. Them not getting this deal done more likely speaks to the Lamar Jackson experience being done in Baltimore in the next 1-2 years. The FO has built a team and offense that amplifies all LJ's strengths and tries to minimize all of his weakness'.. but between failures in the playoffs and LJ's smaller frame, I think the FO is realizing that winning a Superbowl with LJ is not likely (because of what it takes to win playoff games) let alone sustainable. I realize this is quite the hot take.. but if I was a GM in the NFL, I would think twice about investing a lot of money in Lamar Jackson because of what you need around him to win and take advantage of his skills Go Bills! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 It is a gamble. It really comes down to injuries. I think he is banking on being healthy enough to get a big contract next year. The longer he waits the more he makes. It isn't a bad plan, but the risk is huge considering how he plays. A broken leg, a ruptured spleen (I'm not being funny; remember Bledsoe), or something else catastrophic and he will look like a fool. But, barring anything career ending, he is adding tens of millions to his deal by waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) I heard during pregame that Lamar wanted a fully guaranteed contract like Watson. Sorry but Lamar just isn’t worth that. No way is the Ravens going to pay that. Lamar is a great athlete but he is not an Elite passer. he should get an agent. Edited September 9, 2022 by Scott7975 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I imagine the Ravens will block that by tagging him one or two more years - Ala Kirk Cousins. Then they can even look to move him for a premium of picks. I don’t think Lamar really sees FA at this time - they will use him up and then move on. They need to move on. He's not a god QB 15 minutes ago, Doc said: Will anyone pay him what he wants though? The ravens can get a decent comp pick for him. I think tag and trade is unreasonable. He's not their future. They need something for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Price continues to rise...Baltimore is going to be paying a lot for this muffler. Nope they can tag him twice and then move on. Probably be cheaper guarantees and protect themselves from injury or regression 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, mikemac2001 said: Nope they can tag him twice and then move on. Probably be cheaper guarantees and protect themselves from injury or regression Ask the Redskins how that worked with Cousins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 A total "What if" that will never happen, but imagine he and Josh lining up in the backfield. What a nightmare that would be for a defense ha ha. Gadget plays galore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: They need to move on. He's not a god QB The ravens can get a decent comp pick for him. I think tag and trade is unreasonable. He's not their future. They need something for something. I don’t disagree, but they have built that team from the ground up specifically for Jackson. If they move on - they become an afterthought n a good division- just like last year when he missed time. The Ravens have little choice but to either sign him long term and try to keep rolling him out or tag him and try to get a Watson style package back rebuild the offense to fit someone new. A comp pick isn’t enough - they need the 3 1st round picks and several other pieces to move the rebuild along in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bills92 said: I'm sure the Baltimore FO knows this. Them not getting this deal done more likely speaks to the Lamar Jackson experience being done in Baltimore in the next 1-2 years. The FO has built a team and offense that amplifies all LJ's strengths and tries to minimize all of his weakness'.. but between failures in the playoffs and LJ's smaller frame, I think the FO is realizing that winning a Superbowl with LJ is not likely (because of what it takes to win playoff games) let alone sustainable. I realize this is quite the hot take.. but if I was a GM in the NFL, I would think twice about investing a lot of money in Lamar Jackson because of what you need around him to win and take advantage of his skills Go Bills! I mean you aren't wrong, but if he goes to FA, someone is going to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: I don’t disagree, but they have built that team from the ground up specifically for Jackson. If they move on - they become an afterthought n a good division- just like last year when he missed time. The Ravens have little choice but to either sign him long term and try to keep rolling him out or tag him and try to get a Watson style package back rebuild the offense to fit someone new. A comp pick isn’t enough - they need the 3 1st round picks and several other pieces to move the rebuild along in my opinion. Damned it they do. Damned if they don't. Pull the band aid and move on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Beck Water said: They can tag him if need be - I think they can tag him 2 years in a row? Opinion here but unless he's appreciably leveled-up his passing game, Lamar is going to have some hard learnings if he moves away from Roman. I think he's a system QB right now and Roman's system is proven ideal for a running QB who can throw deep well enough to keep teams from stacking the box. See: Taylor, Tyrod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 If he left Baltimore I’m guessing he ends up in miami. I’d rather deal with him in Baltimore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills92 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: I mean you aren't wrong, but if he goes to FA, someone is going to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL. 110% agree. Somebody will try to make it work. But unlike other Top End FA Qb's (and they are rare), LJ is not plug and play. The right fit is most likely a bottom tier team where the fans would be patient for the roster turnover needed to build a team around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: No way I play if I'm Lamar!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 He is a dope. There is a market and very easy to slot him in. The market obviously Does not include Watson, who is an outlier and no other team would ever pay a fully guaranteed contract like that. just get the same deal As Kyler Murray and move on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: It is a gamble. It really comes down to injuries. I think he is banking on being healthy enough to get a big contract next year. The longer he waits the more he makes. It isn't a bad plan, but the risk is huge considering how he plays. A broken leg, a ruptured spleen (I'm not being funny; remember Bledsoe), or something else catastrophic and he will look like a fool. But, barring anything career ending, he is adding tens of millions to his deal by waiting. I agree. It really would take a catastrophic injury though. Dak got paid right after his ankle exploded. That kind of injury would obviously be worse for Lamar, but if he avoids major injury he will make a lot more money this way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said: If he left Baltimore I’m guessing he ends up in miami. I’d rather deal with him in Baltimore Him and Tyreek would be tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Jackson holds all of the power in this situation. He can force their hand to pay him the money he wants or he can force his way out of Baltimore in another 3 years. As long as he stays healthy, he will collect some healthy FT checks the next two seasons after this one at the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bills92 said: 110% agree. Somebody will try to make it work. But unlike other Top End FA Qb's (and they are rare), LJ is not plug and play. The right fit is most likely a bottom tier team where the fans would be patient for the roster turnover needed to build a team around him. Part of me wonders if LJ isn't getting pissed at the narrative that he can't play QB like other guys do and a special offense has to be built around him. Maybe he wants to go somewhere else and try and prove that he can be effective in a normal offense. I don't think he will be because I think he is limited in what he can do as a QB due to lack of arm strength to push the ball outside the numbers on deeper throws, but I wouldn't be surprised if he really thinks he can and is irritated and wants to show everyone else that. Edited September 9, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: If he left Baltimore I’m guessing he ends up in miami. I’d rather deal with him in Baltimore Then you do the same thing as if in Baltimore… contain Lamar and cover Gieseki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Jackson should leave. I completely think it's very dumb that he doesn't have an agent, but the Ravens are not putting him in a position to show that he can be more than a gimmick runner. The Ravens WR core is arguably the worst in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else. I could see him in Seattle. Run heavy team philosophy, uncork a few deep passes to Metcalf, play defense. Of all the other teams in the NFL, I think Seattle would be able to install a Jackson friendly offense. Still think Baltimore is his best fit though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 He’s a running back that wants QB money. The Ravens are smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Pretty sure he can’t go anywhere if he’s tagged. If he wants serious money, dude needs to step up his game. He’s got skills. I just don’t see him as top 5, and maybe just outside the top 10. Not a pure passer. Josh elevates his teammates. Josh is a stud. Lamar certainly is no Josh. It's hard for me to evaluate whether he's a passer based on how the team has treated the passing game (and not putting any resources into receiving weapons) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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