Ken Dorsey with a tremendous debut

[DJB]

Like others have said, too many designed Allen runs

[Since1981]

5 hours ago, artmalibu said:

4th and designed run with JA?  

I yelled at the TV after that up by 21 pt Josh run: ”I bet McD just vetoed the booth!”  No more qb run options by forced Hand offs, ensued 

 

How to close a game?

best OC problem ever!

 

[John from Riverside]

How about a little credit for a defensive coordinator as well we turned that ball over a bunch and this defense was real stingy

[CSBill]

6 hours ago, sullim4 said:

 

The question is - how much of that is Allen improvising versus Dorsey calling a designed QB keeper?

 

I get the sense that some of those runs are option plays where Allen can hand the ball off or keep it... or broken pass plays where the coverage is good and he just decides to keep the ball rather than throwing it away.

 

Agree. I would say half of those runs are Josh calling his own number. Clearly that last one that caused quite a Twitter stir was suppose to be a pass and he pulled it down when he saw all that green turf in front of him. I'm sure they will discuss it.

[wjag]

Almost to an analyst this off season, the party line was yeah the Bills are great BUT they lost Daboll.  No one knows if Dorsey will be a good play caller.

 

Well maybe just maybe we have arrived at the Brady-Belichick point.  Is it the coach or is it the player?  A lot of what happened last night was Allen seeing the field and doing whatever he wanted.  Diggs kind of confirmed it when he said that wasn't even the play, he just told me to run...

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Obviously you always keep tweaking. Like many here, I am ready for Zack Moss to be a game day inactive/backup and just feed Motor. Josh doesn't need to run that late in the game up three scores. But other than that, what isn't to like?

 

The run game got going just enough to have some balance, and the pitches worked well. You had 7 players who had receptions. Diggs showed why he was All Pro in 2020. Davis looked the part of the perfect #2. The turnovers were not the result of play calling. Aaron Donald was extremely limited.

 

For a first time OC outing what isn't to like?

[Back2Buff]

It's an upgrade and it was evident from the first drive.

 

The outside runs to avoid Donald is something that I never understood with Daboll.  To me, it always seemed like Daboll never schemed for his opponent and just ran the same plays week in and week out.

 

Daboll lacked common sense.

[Da webster guy]

7 hours ago, sullim4 said:

 

The question is - how much of that is Allen improvising versus Dorsey calling a designed QB keeper?

 

I get the sense that some of those runs are option plays where Allen can hand the ball off or keep it... or broken pass plays where the coverage is good and he just decides to keep the ball rather than throwing it away.

This is exactly right.  Eric Wood was talking about that too.  Very few if any designed runs, they were options based on what Josh decides from the coverage he sees.

 

I agree though, a high priority needs to be placed on an offense that offers the lowest risk of injury for 17.   Especially with a 3 possession lead. 

Daboll called a designed Josh run up 21pts vs the Jets last year and he got hit so hard.  Stupid risk, stuff like that should never happen again.

[foreboding]

8 hours ago, Bangarang said:

The few questions I had about how he’d call an actual game were initially answered.

 

My only complaint is the amount of runs Josh had. I winced a few times at some of the hits he took. 

I think thise were almost all Josh's calls. He has the option on all running plays to keep it.

[Thunderstealer]

7 hours ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

Really liked the play calling but I agree with this. Motor was by far and away the best back. Sorry Moss & Cook, gotta earn those touches. Less mad about Cook even in spite of the fumble because I like McD giving him the chance. I think Moss should have less touches, he just doesn’t do it for me. 

Moss cancelled out his good game with the soft fumble.

Dorsey called a great first game. Only flub giving Cook a touch. Should’ve waited for an ordinary 1pm game for Cook 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[WhoTom]

The opening drive TD was a thing of beauty. Perfectly designed and executed. Is there anyone who didn't think they were going to hand it off on 3rd and short?

 

Overall, Dorsey called a spectacular game. I agree with most of you about too many designed runs to Josh, especially the one when the game was already in the bag.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

A near 50/50 split of pass to run? I think that’s too much, especially with Allen at the QB, who seemingly makes every play a positive chunk of yardage

 

If you take this idea to its logical conclusion, the Bills (and every other team for that matter) should literally never run the ball. Passing always has higher average yards per play. But OCs figured out a century ago that if the defense only has to prepare for one thing, they can tee off on stopping that one thing. Committing to the run keeps defenses off balance and wears them down over time. The best coaches in the sport understand this - McVay, Shanahan, Reid, Belichick. Take it up with them if you don't agree.

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by HappyDays

[eball]

I almost started a new thread but then saw this one. Here’s the terrifying question for the rest of the league: what if the Bills offense is better under Dorsey than they were under Daboll?

 

It’s an admittedly small sample but that was an absolutely masterful game plan. 
 

[HappyDays]

His biggest impact is on the run game. I don't ever remember Daboll calling a play like this:

 

 

Another one:

 

 

[Bimmer323i]

On 9/8/2022 at 11:39 PM, MPT said:

A- just because there were too many Allen and Moss runs. Really impressed with the calls and the flow overall though.

I’m thinking Moss will be on the bench next Monday… I don’t trust him and he could potentially get us killed in a big game with his fumbling problems 

[Putin]

On 9/8/2022 at 10:38 PM, Bangarang said:

The few questions I had about how he’d call an actual game were initially answered.

 

My only complaint is the amount of runs Josh had. I winced a few times at some of the hits he took. 

I don’t have an issue with Josh running but when we are up by 14 in the 4th QB our RB’s need to close out the game 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Bimmer323i said:

I don’t trust him and he could potentially get us killed in a big game with his fumbling problems 

Get that ridiculous nonsense out of here

 

That was the first and only time Moss has fumbled in the 200+ carries he's had for this team.

That's 1 fumble for every 214 carries

 

In the 500 carries that Singletary has had, he's fumbled 7 times.

That's 1 fumble for every 71 carries.

 

That means Singletary has fumbled about three times more often than Moss.

 

Who has the fumbling problem?  🤡 

 

[ToGoGo]

17 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

It's an upgrade and it was evident from the first drive.

 

The outside runs to avoid Donald is something that I never understood with Daboll.  To me, it always seemed like Daboll never schemed for his opponent and just ran the same plays week in and week out.

 

Daboll lacked common sense.

 

Bingo. He didn't have common sense. 

 

The NFL world will see it the next few years with the Giants before he's fired. Allen made him. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Early returns are great—especially his adjustments coming out of the half—remember when the Bills under Dabs would sleepwalk through the 3rd quarter of games routinely? A distant memory now…

[ExiledInIllinois]

No punts and the 4 TOs weren't deep in Bills zone.  And they had 3.

 

That definitely negates the rule that TOs can hurt you. 

 

I don't think any of the Rams 10 points came off the turnovers.  7 game off the Bass penalty!

 

★EDIT: 3 came off the second JA pick. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Norcalbillsfan]

On 9/8/2022 at 8:41 PM, zow2 said:

If the Bills make it to the AFC championship expect Dorsey to be one and done as the OC here.  

I thought the same when I saw the adjustments and flow of the offense. It's still very early, but if he keeps it up he won't be in buffalo long.

[Logic]

Dorsey called such a good game that as I was driving to work this morning, I literally had the thought "I wonder how many seasons the Bills will get to keep him before someone hires him to be their head coach."

I know, I know....getting way ahead of myself. But that was a really impressive debut from Dorsey.

Excited to see what he has in store in week two.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Logic

[Scott7975]

Its only one game but he had way better mix of playcalling and flow of game then Daboll IMO.  Hope his rythm keeps up all year!

On 9/8/2022 at 11:52 PM, Warcodered said:

What was the name of the thread that always hung around about Daboll?

 

Donut?

[Scott7975]

19 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

How about a little credit for a defensive coordinator as well we turned that ball over a bunch and this defense was real stingy

 

and Kromer too.  That was a stout Dline Josh and our Oline handled.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Bimmer323i said:

I’m thinking Moss will be on the bench next Monday… I don’t trust him and he could potentially get us killed in a big game with his fumbling problems 

 

Im not a Moss fan at all but he really doesnt have fumbling problems.  

[ArtVandalay]

On 9/8/2022 at 11:33 PM, Big Blitz said:

A +

 

 

That was fantastic - and great adjustments in the middle of the 3rd quarter.  You stuck with the run - some angry runs from Motor (he's the bell cow).

 

4 turnovers and still 31 points.

 

Donald was invisible outside of 1 sack.  

 

Phenomenal job.  Against a great defense 

 

 

Keep it rolling!

Agree with everything but Singletary being the bell cow.  It's not in his skill set.  He was out touched by Moss 12-10.

[Charles Romes]

5 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

I thought the same when I saw the adjustments and flow of the offense. It's still very early, but if he keeps it up he won't be in buffalo long.

The good news is that Beane has been worrying about this as well and already has  a succession plan in place. 

[Don Otreply]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:30 AM, HappyDays said:

Dorsey almost completely took the greatest defensive player of the millennium out of the game. That's about as good a start as you could ask for.

 

And I love that he stuck with the run game even when it wasn't necessarily working. The threat of the run kept the Rams on their heels all night. That's something Daboll never understood.

 

 

Really Scott? In a game where we didn't punt a single time you're going to criticize the flow of the offense? Haven't you been saying all offseason that the Bills rely too much on Allen to be Superman and win games for them? Threatening defenses with the run is how you counter that.

 

It’s Scottlaw after all, it doesn’t matter what the Bills do on or off the field, he’s gonna find fault with it…, yes even if he contradicts himself, 

[BillsBytheBay]

I hope Josh runs us all the way to the super bowl, just so every week we can hear people bitching about Josh running.

[Ralonzo]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:30 AM, HappyDays said:

Dorsey almost completely took the greatest defensive player of the millennium out of the game. That's about as good a start as you could ask for.

 

 

I really want to say a lot of that had to do with Kromer. Coming from the Rams, he has intimate knowledge of what Aaron Donald does to wreck plays. It seemed on a lot of snaps, Donald didn't quite realize what was going on, or bit on a false key that made him take himself out of the play (like the Davis TD, Donald following the pulling lineman to the offensive left).

 

The way to prevent Donald from wrecking your play, is by making it so he doesn't know what to do to wreck your play, because if he knows, he's doing it. The one attribute Donald doesn't really have, is height. He's a squatty body, a ball of butcher knives, but the Bills have been stacking skyscrapers on the offensive line. I think Kromer used that in combination with some unconventional scheming to make Donald pause just a beat to try to decipher what was happening. Some plays went right past Donald without him even realizing - that second run play Orlovsky dissected above, Brown I think just engages Donald and doesn't really even especially block him hard, he just doesn't let him see what's happening while Gilliam and Singletary rumble right by him, almost within arms reach. I saw that on the replay and was like, what the hell happened there, how does Donald let that go right by him?

 

Edit: Keying in on Donald it looks like he's playing 5T and Brown blocks him from an inside leverage which denies his vision as the motion TE Sweeney, then Gilliam, then the RB all just scoot right past and it's like Aaron has no idea the play is happening on his gap, he's completely eliminated on a 1-on-1 block from Brown. Now I like Brown, don't get me wrong, but I've got to credit the blocking scheme there for some of that.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Ralonzo

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/josh-allen-stefon-diggs-happy-130425118.html
 

Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs happy with Ken Dorsey after Game 1

David De Cristofaro

Sun, September 11, 2022, 9:04 AM

I was actually happy at halftime,” Allen said to the media following the win. “Three turnovers and going in 10-10 — zero to zero — that gave us all the confidence in the world, our defense being able to back us up. We hurt ourselves a lot in that first half. There’s a lot to learn from. But that second half, that’s who we want to be, going out there and executing the way we expect to execute.”
 

[Dr. K]

On 9/10/2022 at 12:45 AM, Simon said:

Get that ridiculous nonsense out of here

 

That was the first and only time Moss has fumbled in the 200+ carries he's had for this team.

That's 1 fumble for every 214 carries

 

In the 500 carries that Singletary has had, he's fumbled 7 times.

That's 1 fumble for every 71 carries.

 

That means Singletary has fumbled about three times more often than Moss.

 

Who has the fumbling problem?  🤡 

 

This is not true. Moss fumbled coming out of the end zone on the one yard line against the 49ers in 2020 which led directly to a 49ers touchdown and a seven-point lead. The fumble was charged to Allen but it was clearly Moss who was looking at the defense instead of securing the ball.

 

He also fumbled twice on pass plays in 2021, losing one of them.

 

 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

This is not true. Moss fumbled coming out of the end zone on the one yard line against the 49ers in 2020 which led directly to a 49ers touchdown and a seven-point lead. The fumble was charged to Allen but it was clearly Moss who was looking at the defense instead of securing the ball.

 

He also fumbled twice on pass plays in 2021, losing one of them.

 

 

 

Actually, it's Moss' job to be looking at the defense and the QB's job it be looking in the basket when he sticks it in there. It's part of the reason that most fumbled exchanges go to teh QB.

 

And Motor has fumbled 3 times on pass plays vs Moss' 2, so it doesn't change the point that Motor fumbles 2-3 time more than Moss per touch.

[FireChans]

Does Ken Dorsey beat the Titans with Daniel Jones at QB?