Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[JDHillFan]

17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think there's more to the Bills decision than fear of public backlash.  I think it's going to drag on through the season, and be divisive in the locker room even if social media gets wiped off the planet tomorrow and the media is milquetoast.  Look at how divided we are here.  The locker room probably has a similar diversity of views.

 

But that's just me.

I’m sure this will sound mean but it’s not intended to be, it’s just an observation. Based on the number of keystrokes you have thrown at this, it’s a topic you are keenly interested in, if not obsessed with. It’s possible that you are in a minority in that regard. Diversity of views in the locker room doesn’t automatically mean division. Those guys may not like every single guy they share a locker room with but they are damn near brothers. I suspect the coalescing around the goal of a championship far exceeds the impact of this hurdle. A hurdle they will clear far in advance of those on the outside looking in. 

[Beck Water]

20 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I’m sure this will sound mean but it’s not intended to be, it’s just an observation. Based on the number of keystrokes you have thrown at this, it’s a topic you are keenly interested in, if not obsessed with. It’s possible that you are in a minority in that regard. Diversity of views in the locker room doesn’t automatically mean division. Those guys may not like every single guy they share a locker room with but they are damn near brothers. I suspect the coalescing around the goal of a championship far exceeds the impact of this hurdle. A hurdle they will clear far in advance of those on the outside looking in. 

 

So, what's your experience with the inside of football locker rooms? 

 

I think we need to understand that to evaluate your understanding of and ability to assess what the actual impact of having a guy in the locker room being sued for a horrific gang rape of a young woman, with continued peaks in frenzied media coverage and social media opining as witnesses are deposed, other trial news emerges, DA makes a decision on charges.

 

The whole "it's possible that I am in a minority in that regard" is just kinda weird. 

 

I will add that I hope you're correct that coalescing around the goal of a championship exceeds the impact of these events, because I've been waiting a damned long time to see another Bills championship since the 1964/1965 seasons I watched with my Gramps.

 

PS When someone says "no offense but" that means they're about to say something they know is offensive, and they're trying to avert responsibility for that.  Your "this will sound mean but" thing sounds like its kissin' cousin.  No offense, of course.

Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water

[Motorin']

47 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Thanks.  Didn't see that linked 4 days ago.

 

That was the interview where a lot of us learned that Araiza isn't disputing that he had sex with her but didn't force her into anything, and his lawyer put out the idea that one of the other teammates mentioned in the law suit "is in a very different position" in relation to being charged.

 

This is where we leaned that Araiza knew of the accusations in the fall of 2021 and his attorney said "you better believe he" informed the NFL of those accusations. But the attorney has walked that back and the NFL says Araiza didn't inform them.

 

The Bills wouldn't have been in the position they were in if Araiza didn't withold the info that he was under investigation for an alleged rape. Because the Bills wouldn't have drafted him. 

[zow2]

Such a strange situation the way it was handled on social media and both attorneys comments etc.  It got me that Gilleon said an apology by Araiza and donation to a rape survivors charity would’ve likely been enough. That she wasn’t after a money grab or shakedown. 

 

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Such a strange situation the way it was handled on social media and both attorneys comments etc.  It got me that Gilleon said an apology by Araiza and donation to a rape survivors charity would’ve likely been enough. That she wasn’t after a money grab or shakedown.

 

Let's just say, I don't believe Gellion on that point about the apology/donation.  He's doing a lot of social media grandstanding.  Among other things, he's got to know Araisa has to step very carefully while the DA has the criminal file and he could still face charges.  An apology and donation could potentially be taken as an admission of guilt.

 

I do think it's clear at this point it wasn't a "money grab", but from his initial texts to Araiza that wasn't so clear.

 

1 hour ago, muppy said:

I explained my reaction to warcodered

 

Right, but you said in that reaction "they apparently dropped the ball"

If they had 20 officers working on it and executed all those search warrants and reviewed 3 terrabytes of electronic data....how did they drop the ball?

Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water

[zow2]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Let's just say, I don't believe Gellion on that point about the apology/donation.  He's doing a lot of social media grandstanding.

 

I do think it's clear at this point it wasn't a "money grab", but from his initial texts to Araiza that wasn't so clear.

 

 

Seems pretty clear they were laser focused on nuking Araiza, destroying his career, getting justice/pound of flesh and some monetary restitution.  So job well done by her attorney i guess.  It’s just strange how nothing happened in that year leading up to this week. 

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

Seems pretty clear they were laser focused on nuking Araiza, destroying his career, getting justice/pound of flesh and some monetary restitution.  So job well done by her attorney i guess.  It’s just strange how nothing happened in that year leading up to this week. 

 

Yeah, it is.

 

The DA got the police investigation August 5.

 

I'm told that the DA's office normally keeps the alleged victim/victim's attorney in the loop, so possibly the attorney was informed that Araiza would not face charges?

 

The other possibility I see is that they feel they are being stonewalled and stonewalled and stonewalled and not informed of the progress by the police.  Meanwhile the SDSU Aztecs are about to start a new football season with one of the alleged perpetrators on the roster and the Bills are about to start a new season with Araiza as their "Punt God".  So they got "mad as hell" and decided "they weren't going to take it any more"

[muppy]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Let's just say, I don't believe Gellion on that point about the apology/donation.  He's doing a lot of social media grandstanding.  Among other things, he's got to know Araisa has to step very carefully while the DA has the criminal file and he could still face charges.  An apology and donation could potentially be taken as an admission of guilt.

 

I do think it's clear at this point it wasn't a "money grab", but from his initial texts to Araiza that wasn't so clear.

 

 

Right, but you said in that reaction "they apparently dropped the ball"

If they had 20 officers working on it and executed all those search warrants and reviewed 3 terrabytes of electronic data....how did they drop the ball?

well in retrospect I guess by not making an announcement that the investigation is concluded and no charges will be filed?  It was only when the lawsuit was announced after the draft had concluded that has exacerbated this entire situation. IMO

Edited August 30, 2022 by muppy

[PromoTheRobot]

7 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

Seems pretty clear they were laser focused on nuking Araiza, destroying his career, getting justice/pound of flesh and some monetary restitution.  So job well done by her attorney i guess.  It’s just strange how nothing happened in that year leading up to this week. 

 

I had to block someone on a Twitter who I've followed for a while who has really taken the Araiza thing too far. This person was stomping for him to get cut. Okay. But now they are gloating about his family's death threats! I'm sure they think they are being heroes but they've become a monsters.

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I had to block someone on a Twitter who I've followed for a while who has really taken the Araiza thing too far. This person was stomping for him to get cut. Okay. But now they are gloating about his family's death threats! I'm sure they think they are being heroes but they've become a monsters.

 

Jesu, the world has some sick *****, gloating about death threats.

 

They're awfully brave behind a Twitter account, I wonder how they'd fare F2F

 

10 minutes ago, muppy said:

well in retrospect I guess by not making an announcement that the investigation is concluded and no charges will be filed?

 

Mupster, Love ya, but the police can't make an announcement that no charges will be filed.  That's the DA's biz

 

The police did announce August 5 that the investigation was submitted to the DA. 

The DA says they are still considering charges and have no timeline for a decision

 

 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Jesu, the world has some sick *****, gloating about death threats.

 

They're awfully brave behind a Twitter account, I wonder how they'd fare F2F

 

 

Mupster, Love ya, but the police can't make an announcement that no charges will be filed.  That's the DA's biz

 

The police did announce August 5 that the investigation was submitted to the DA. 

The DA says they are still considering charges and have no timeline for a decision

 

 

okay the DA make an annoncement then. Im out of this thread Im better off lurking .

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

okay the DA make an annoncement then. Im out of this thread Im better off lurking .

Listen…. 
Go draw a warm bath.. Light some candles… Maybe even dim the lights a little… And read the 283 pages of this thread. Sadly I think I have since this began and now I feel like I can go pass the California bar exam.. 
 

Of course I’m joking, there are sooooo many working pieces to all this and sooooooo many questions of how/why/when/who it’s impossible to keep up 

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I had to block someone on a Twitter who I've followed for a while who has really taken the Araiza thing too far. This person was stomping for him to get cut. Okay. But now they are gloating about his family's death threats! I'm sure they think they are being heroes but they've become a monsters.

Such little empathy in the mobs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Wtf is wrong with this guy.  He complains that no one has been taking him seriously, meanwhile he’s throwing insults left and right.  Does he really care about the victim he is supposedly representing, or more worried about the attention for himself?

Just based on the lawyers actions alone it really reads like he was trying hard to bully araiza into a settlement before the season started.  I have a feeling they are keeping him updated on the criminal case and he’s got a pretty good idea araiza is not going to be charged.  Of course these lawyers are absolute nutjobs so their actions may be impossible to read into.

 

leaking the diary still makes absolutely no sense to me…he has this intricate retelling of events in the civil suit then releases a diary that basically says the victim has no idea who brought her to the room or who was in it

 

couple that with the suit mentioning they had an earlier sexual encounter and he just put together a defense for the opposition 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Beck Water]

33 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Just based on the lawyers actions alone it really reads like he was trying hard to bully araiza into a settlement before the season started.  I have a feeling they are keeping him updated on the criminal case and he’s got a pretty good idea araiza is not going to be charged.  Of course these lawyers are absolute nutjobs so their actions may be impossible to read into.

 

Word. 

 

I read Gellion's tweets and, after I burn sage and perform an eyeball-cleansing ritual, I have an overpowering impulse to listen to Weird Al Yankovic's epic commentary "Everything You Know is Wrong" and hoping that the rabid wolverine stays out of my underwear.

 

I can't make the guy out.  I can usually do a good job putting myself into someone's worldview and understanding how what they do makes sense from where they're coming from.  I can't get there at all with him.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2022 by Beck Water

[Ralonzo]

38 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

I can't make the guy out.  I can usually do a good job putting myself into someone's worldview and understanding how what they do makes sense from where they're coming from.  I can't get there at all with him.

 

Cui bono.

 

You know the name of someone you didn't know existed a week ago.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I had to block someone on a Twitter who I've followed for a while who has really taken the Araiza thing too far. This person was stomping for him to get cut. Okay. But now they are gloating about his family's death threats! I'm sure they think they are being heroes but they've become a monsters.

That's the benefit of being "Jane Doe."  Ashley Solsis reported death threats against her after her Watson accusations.  

 

51 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

I can't make the guy out.  I can usually do a good job putting myself into someone's worldview and understanding how what they do makes sense from where they're coming from.  I can't get there at all with him.

Can you please explain Antonio Brown for me?

Edited August 30, 2022 by Doc Brown

[Beck Water]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

Can you please explain Antonio Brown for me?

 

Sure.  He cray-cray.  You're welcome.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

Seems pretty clear they were laser focused on nuking Araiza, destroying his career, getting justice/pound of flesh and some monetary restitution.  So job well done by her attorney i guess.  It’s just strange how nothing happened in that year leading up to this week. 

Right because on-campus rape is so often swiftly dealt with and justice usually prevails.  Except it rarely does. Most of the time it goes unreported. And then the schools and the coaches can help cover up the truth.  We should applaud her strength in going to the police the next day.  

 

[ALF]

The San Diego Police were investigating this case the day after Halloween and hospital . Should have had result before the draft.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

That's the benefit of being "Jane Doe."  Ashley Solsis reported death threats against her after her Watson accusations.  

 

Can you please explain Antonio Brown for me?

CTE is real 

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

CTE is real 

 

CTE is real, but it has nothing to do with the Antonio Brown clown show.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 hours ago, muppy said:

SMH......current news report headline "SDSU says police told them not to investigate"....spin spin spin in your favor get that spin out yo

 

smh

 

cbs8.com

I don’t know the details of what a college might look at in California, but a Title IX investigation by a university is completely different than a police investigation.  Different training, different goals, different standards, different outcomes. 
 

If a violent sexual assault occurred, I’d think the last thing the university should be doing is investigating this matter. 

[muppy]

5 hours ago, ALF said:

The San Diego Police were investigating this case the day after Halloween and hospital . Should have had result before the draft.

THIS! I could not have said it better. (and I wish I had)  I knew this case smelled bad to me and how it had been handled. 

 

back to lurking 

 

 

[BBills_88]

If Araiza is proven innocent, would the NFL, FANS & BILLS. Give him another chance?

[RyanC883]

10 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Just based on the lawyers actions alone it really reads like he was trying hard to bully araiza into a settlement before the season started.  I have a feeling they are keeping him updated on the criminal case and he’s got a pretty good idea araiza is not going to be charged.  Of course these lawyers are absolute nutjobs so their actions may be impossible to read into.

 

leaking the diary still makes absolutely no sense to me…he has this intricate retelling of events in the civil suit then releases a diary that basically says the victim has no idea who brought her to the room or who was in it

 

couple that with the suit mentioning they had an earlier sexual encounter and he just put together a defense for the opposition 

 

this lawyer is a nut-job it sounds like. i wouldn’t say all are

[LabattBlue]

11 minutes ago, BBills_88 said:

If Araiza is proven innocent, would the NFL, FANS & BILLS. Give him another chance?

IMO there is zero chance the Bills would bring him back even if civil suit is dropped and no criminal charges filed.  Would another team give him a chance...probably.

Edited August 30, 2022 by BTB

[Gugny]

10 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Just based on the lawyers actions alone it really reads like he was trying hard to bully araiza into a settlement before the season started.  I have a feeling they are keeping him updated on the criminal case and he’s got a pretty good idea araiza is not going to be charged.  Of course these lawyers are absolute nutjobs so their actions may be impossible to read into.

 

leaking the diary still makes absolutely no sense to me…he has this intricate retelling of events in the civil suit then releases a diary that basically says the victim has no idea who brought her to the room or who was in it

 

couple that with the suit mentioning they had an earlier sexual encounter and he just put together a defense for the opposition 

 

It's my understanding that Araiza/family offered a settlement before he was drafted and that the victim/her attorney declined.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, BBills_88 said:

If Araiza is proven innocent, would the NFL, FANS & BILLS. Give him another chance?

Yes especially considering there are guys playing In the league who are not innocent of crimes 

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, Gugny said:

It's my understanding that Araiza/family offered a settlement before he was drafted and that the victim/her attorney declined.

 

 

 

I thought read that that was false and Gilleon was the first to bring up a settlement?

[Wayne Cubed]

22 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It's my understanding that Araiza/family offered a settlement before he was drafted and that the victim/her attorney declined.

 

 

 

Just for clarification, this is Dan Gilleon being a dirtbag. If you read the tweets and the messages he posted, they are dated end of July & early August. As you know, Matt had already been drafted by the Buffalo Bills. So this is Dan being clever with his words as Matt hadn't made the team yet as he was still trying to make the team.

As far as his claims of "we ignored the offerr", none of the messages he posted support that position. Matt's lawyer in the text says his parents are inquiring how much money the client wants. That's not making an offer. 

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, nucci said:

can we please stop using "woke" and "cancel culture"? It's ridiculous. If we disagree on a subject and have an opinion, I'm "woke" WTF does that mean? A football player was cut from the team. He wasn't canceled. so effing stupid

The full truth is what matters most in this.  That should always be the case.  If he is guilty of what is alleged then IMO there is no punishment harsh enough.  If he is guilty of parts…such as knowing about it and saying Nothing, I’d think he’d deserve whatever outcome came his way.  
 

For the sake of discussion, let’s assume he wasn’t involved at all and has been completely accurate and forthcoming behind the scenes……this seems like a stretch to me personally but let’s just go with it for a minute…..now let’s say he is able to prove that.  Do you think the lingering effects from this on his career/life will magically disappear?  That no one will remember his name or it will have no impact?  How about if he is truly innocent but has no way to prove it?  It won’t have any impact?  All this stuff is no biggie and should be seen as how society should treat people?

 

I don’t know about woke or how it has come to be defined but I can see that we have become a culture that needs immediate answers and resolution to any issue so we feel we can move on to the next thing.  If it takes a while to gather actual facts?  Screw that, just take a guess.

5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Just for clarification, this is Dan Gilleon being a dirtbag. If you read the tweets and the messages he posted, they are dated end of July & early August. As you know, Matt had already been drafted by the Buffalo Bills. So this is Dan being clever with his words as Matt hadn't made the team yet as he was still trying to make the team.

As far as his claims of "we ignored the offerr", none of the messages he posted support that position. Matt's lawyer in the text says his parents are inquiring how much money the client wants. That's not making an offer. 

The things you point out are facts and thus irrelevant.  Emotions only please.

[CincyBillsFan]

44 minutes ago, BBills_88 said:

If Araiza is proven innocent, would the NFL, FANS & BILLS. Give him another chance?

It is odd that so many people, particularly in the media, are declaring Araiza guilty in their reactions to what happened. 

 

If he's guilty I hope he rots in jail. But you can't deny the fact that many allegations of rape made in the college environment turn out to be false.  And saying this should not bring the wrath of the PC crowd down on someones head. After all the HIGHEST principal here is "innocent until proven guilty".  Not the allegation.

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Sorry you are correct i just read the definition for the word woke with that said the cancel culture is all over this situation .

 

I do agree it isn't just a far left thing it is society in general today and the world rather than being innocent until proven guilty with this & many other things today are exactly backwards from what it is and judgement is handed out before evidence proving innocents or guilt has been established .

 

And in some cases it can ruin a persons life or if bad enough & some one takes their life because of the social pressures & preconceived notion that the person is guilty which some people are that weak & that is a huge tragedy !

 

So i choose to rather than jump on board saying that he is guilty allow the investigation help to prove one way or the other rather than jumping to a conclusion unless of course like the Watson case you have some 24+ people saying the same thing then i in that case had a tendency to lean toward those peoples testimonies .

 

Things such as this should be used as a learning experience to not be so quick to judge because there are those out there that are looking for a pay day I'm in no way saying that is what is happening here but history shows that it can & has before  .

 

https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/03/a-new-espn-film-exposes-the-real-villains-in-the-duke-lacrosse-case.html 

 

Your underlying point about trial by social media and mob rule over due process and the law courts is a good one, one I have made many times this offseason in various guises. You maybe didn't express it particularly well. Your second post (the one above) is more reasoned. It looks bad for Matt Araiza based on what is out there but he and his family are entitled to due process before being publicly vilified. And you are right to be concerned about a move in society away from that and towards instant condemnation based on a trial by public opinion. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

It's my understanding that Araiza/family offered a settlement before he was drafted and that the victim/her attorney declined.

 

 

 

That would be damning if true.  Araiza's lawyer's story is that Araiza didn't realize there was an ongoing criminal investigation until after the June 3rd article in the LA Times, and that he didn't realize a civil suit was a possibility until July

 

Which is why he didn't tell teams about the incident pre-draft

 

If he knew it was a pending issue before he was drafted and didn't inform teams, I think that would be a violation of some of the agreements the prospects sign with the NFL and with teams.

 

What I think Gilleon means is that a settlement was discussed during training camp.  Araiza was already a preseason member of the Bills but not their presumptive regular-season punter.

[The Red King]

21 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Sorry you are correct i just read the definition for the word woke with that said the cancel culture is all over this situation .

 

I do agree it isn't just a far left thing it is society in general today and the world rather than being innocent until proven guilty with this & many other things today are exactly backwards from what it is and judgement is handed out before evidence proving innocents or guilt has been established .

 

And in some cases it can ruin a persons life or if bad enough & some one takes their life because of the social pressures & preconceived notion that the person is guilty which some people are that weak & that is a huge tragedy !

 

So i choose to rather than jump on board saying that he is guilty allow the investigation help to prove one way or the other rather than jumping to a conclusion unless of course like the Watson case you have some 24+ people saying the same thing then i in that case had a tendency to lean toward those peoples testimonies .

 

Things such as this should be used as a learning experience to not be so quick to judge because there are those out there that are looking for a pay day I'm in no way saying that is what is happening here but history shows that it can & has before  .

 

https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/03/a-new-espn-film-exposes-the-real-villains-in-the-duke-lacrosse-case.html 

 

I agree, and have been saying as such all along.  It's just a volitile word that gets thrown out far too often in cases it does not apply to.

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

That would be damning if true.  Araiza's lawyer's story is that Araiza didn't realize there was an ongoing criminal investigation until after the June 3rd article in the LA Times, and that he didn't realize a civil suit was a possibility until July

 

Which is why he didn't tell teams about the incident pre-draft

 

If he knew it was a pending issue before he was drafted and didn't inform teams, I think that would be a violation of some of the agreements the prospects sign with the NFL and with teams.

 

What I think Gilleon means is that a settlement was discussed during training camp.  Araiza was already a preseason member of the Bills but not their presumptive regular-season punter.

 

Araiza's attorney said that Matt was aware of the accusations in the late fall of 2021. 

 

There is no proof yet that he was aware that he was under police investigation. However, the university was informed. The police conducted pretext calls and they executed search warrants seizing terrabytes of data. 

 

Did they get his phone and computer without him knowing? 

 

[What a Tuel]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That would be damning if true.  Araiza's lawyer's story is that Araiza didn't realize there was an ongoing criminal investigation until after the June 3rd article in the LA Times, and that he didn't realize a civil suit was a possibility until July

 

Which is why he didn't tell teams about the incident pre-draft

 

If he knew it was a pending issue before he was drafted and didn't inform teams, I think that would be a violation of some of the agreements the prospects sign with the NFL and with teams.

 

What I think Gilleon means is that a settlement was discussed during training camp.  Araiza was already a preseason member of the Bills but not their presumptive regular-season punter.

 

Go to Gilleon's twitter and read the full text convo. He posted it himself, but it reads like an extortion attempt. Now that is not to say Araiza is innocent but more a statement on the integrity of the pay me to shut up civil justice system in the country.

[Fred Slacks]

23 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

The full truth is what matters most in this.  That should always be the case.  If he is guilty of what is alleged then IMO there is no punishment harsh enough.  If he is guilty of parts…such as knowing about it and saying Nothing, I’d think he’d deserve whatever outcome came his way.  
 

For the sake of discussion, let’s assume he wasn’t involved at all and has been completely accurate and forthcoming behind the scenes……this seems like a stretch to me personally but let’s just go with it for a minute…..now let’s say he is able to prove that.  Do you think the lingering effects from this on his career/life will magically disappear?  That no one will remember his name or it will have no impact?  How about if he is truly innocent but has no way to prove it?  It won’t have any impact?  All this stuff is no biggie and should be seen as how society should treat people?

 

I don’t know about woke or how it has come to be defined but I can see that we have become a culture that needs immediate answers and resolution to any issue so we feel we can move on to the next thing.  If it takes a while to gather actual facts?  Screw that, just take a guess.

The things you point out are facts and thus irrelevant.  Emotions only please.

Just to be clear in the court of law Matt doesn’t need to prove he is innocent. The burden is on the plaintiff to prove he is guilty. I think this is why there is such a polarizing opinion. He’s not guilty of this crime until he’s proven to be guilty.
Everyone assumes he is guilty and should suffer. However the reality is unless the plaintiff can prove Araiza was in the room and raped her then it’s pretty much moot point. I do think a jury however will lean towards the plaintiff because the suit is such a disturbing claim. 
 

In the suit though there’s a lot of speculation like it says Araiza should have known she was drunk, etc. It also says he told her to have sex with him and she did. Does it actually say he raped her?  I never read it that way. The claim is that he led her back into the room where she was gang raped. 
 

So based off her own diary she contradicts herself that she doesn’t remember who was there or who brought her to the room. But I’m the suit it says Araiza brought her to the room as well as should have known she was drunk. 
 

I get the feeling the attorney is fishing for more information/cooperation from Araiza to help piece details together that he believes only Araiza can help confirm. 
 

This next part is all pure speculation. The feeling I get from this whole suit is that Araiza was there, had sex with the girl (as he admitted to) and may possibly know what happened after he hooked up with her. I get the vibe that he probably knew about or became aware about what happened afterwards. That is why they are going after him. 
 

I also have strong feelings about a 17 year old girl at a college party at a house on campus. I don’t fault him for that personally. 
 

However if he was aware of the gang rape I think he should have informed. That’s not something to stay quiet about. If he was involved he should be prosecuted criminally.  His life will be ruined.  If he wasn’t involved I hope the plaintiff’s attorney loses his license for they way he destroyed this kids life. I will wait judgement until this sees it’s day in court. 
 

I wonder why San Diego PD hasn’t moved forward or made a statement about any of this?  I wonder if the civil case helps or ruins any criminal case they had been working/building. 

[BuffaloBud17]

Bills fans are donating to crisis services after this. Showing even if our GM and coach waited too long to to cut Azaria doesn't mean the community doesn't care.