Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[Forlorn hope]

Fairburn needs to be suspended from the facility for a month. And issue an apology. His article literally implies that McDermott and Beane are rape apologists. Completely disgusting and psychotic article

 

Honestly I starting to think it's purposeful lashing out by legacy media figures because nobody listens or takes them seriously anymore

 

Pathetic by fairburn. 

If I'm McDermott I'm never taking a question from him again. This stuff has gotta stop

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think he may have other issues  to mind.  Just a hunch

Ok and if truly innocent you still need to protect your name and not allow members of the media to lie about things you’ve said.

[KHAN]

9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

But but but the journalist’s journalist Tim Graham said it was a “direct quote” from Araiza.  How dare you question the almighty arbiter or all that is true, Timmy?

[BillsFanSD]

14 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

The rape kit will include observations with respect to any injury inconsistent with consensual intercourse. 

The story is more complicated than that.

 

The victim claims that she had consensual sex with Araiza.  She does not allege that he raped her, or that he was a direct participant in the gang rape -- that occurred later on.  It is highly likely that a rape kit will find clear, compelling evidence that Jane Doe was raped, and it might find traces of Araiza's DNA.  That doesn't tell us anything incriminating.  We "know" that Araiza probably hooked up with Doe, and we "know" that Doe was later raped by multiple assailants who were probably not Matt Araiza.  The worst case scenario for Araiza is that the rape kit comes back consistent with that story.  The results of the forensics test can really only be exculpatory -- they can't make things worse for him.  

 

Araiza is in trouble because of two specific allegations.  (1) Doe sort of thinks that Araiza might have tampered with her drink.  That is a huge, massive deal, but if you read the complaint you'll see that she really only vaguely waves in the direction of this argument.  I don't know that she's really raising this allegation with any level of seriousness.  (2) Doe says that Araiza led her into a room where he knew or should have known that she would be raped.  Again, this is an extremely serious allegation that should lead to prison time if true.  I do not want this guy on my team if either he did either of these things.  But no rape test can possibly resolve either claim.  

Edited August 29, 2022 by BillsFanSD

[Buffalo Boy]

Come on guys and gals!!!!

Only 25 more pages to go.

You can do it💪💪💪💪

[marck]

Just now, Buffalo Boy said:

Come on guys and gals!!!!

Only 25 more pages to go.

You can do it💪💪💪💪

Stop, this is stupid

[ddaryl]

10 hours ago, StHustle said:

If true, Araiza should sue him for defamation.

 

He will sue the girls Lawyer because he is the one that posted all of this on twitter

However. Matt needs to be able to prove his innocence with a criminal trial... Hopoefully there is a criminal trial and Matt is not named a suspect, if that happens then Matt can partially clear his name, and win a lawsuit against the lawyer... 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Come on guys and gals!!!!

Only 25 more pages to go.

You can do it💪💪💪💪

 

3 minutes ago, marck said:

Stop, this is stupid

 

I agree this thread can do with out the attemtps at comedy.

 

any other thread yes but this one...No!

[BillsFanSD]

15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

The time frame is not unusual for a case like this…..as sad as that seems…..the theories about protecting the university….while not proven false…..are lazy conjecture.

The way this story has been covered by professional journalists has been kind of infuriating.  You can tell that none of these people has ever held a job that might require dealing with a situation like this.  

 

I work at a public university with a D1 football team.  I don't deal directly with student conduct issues, but I'm familiar with how sexual assault allegations and T9 complaints generally are handled on my campus.  I do supervise faculty and staff, and I've been involved in terminating people for sexual misconduct ranging from somebody who slept with a graduate students up to somebody who bought illegal drugs for a minor that he was sleeping with (that one involved law enforcement of course).  I've also had to navigate a number of sketchy complaints involving somebody being a creep in a manner that doesn't technically break any rules but is still creepy and needs to end.  My organization is different from the Bills organization because our union contract is different from the NFLPA contract, and we have some extra restrictions on what we can do as a public sector organization when compared to a private firm. 

 

But guys like Fairburn seem to think that people like me are just sitting by the phone waiting for somebody to lodge an accusation so that we can fire people by close-of-business later that day.  That's . . . not how these situations work.  Any decent employer wants to do right by their employees, which means hearing their side of the story and looking into it before making a decision.  That's what "doing the right thing" thing means in this context.  People who think this kind of thing is easy haven't been asked to do it.        

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

He will sue the girls Lawyer because he is the one that posted all of this on twitter

However. Matt needs to be able to prove his innocence with a criminal trial... Hopoefully there is a criminal trial and Matt is not named a suspect, if that happens then Matt can partially clear his name, and win a lawsuit against the lawyer... 

 

 

I agree this thread can do with out the attemtps at comedy.

 

any other thread yes but this one...No!

 

How much evidence became inadmissible thanks to the "Clarence Darrow of Twitter" Dan Galleon? 

[ddaryl]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How much evidence became inadmissible thanks to the "Clarence Darrow of Twitter" Dan Galleon? 

 

 

Who knows, maybe the girls journal is now inadmissable... 

I understand the frustration waiting on a the SDPD to make some arrests, but did he help or hurt his case....?

Edited August 29, 2022 by ddaryl

[Rc2catch]

5 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Who knows, maybe the girls journal is now inadmissable... 

I understand the frustration waiting on a the SDPD to make some arrests, but did he help or hurt his case....?

The journal wouldn’t work now anyways. He could of literally wrote those entries that day and nobody would know the difference. 

[zow2]

Why is the media, specifically Buffalo News, still killing the Bills management about this?  They did the right thing.  They released the guy within 48 hours of when the girl's side of the story was released publicly.  They did not know these details previously.  

It's like some journalists are dying to make their career on this story as if they are breaking "new" news.  Which they are not.  

[RiotAct]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Come on guys and gals!!!!

Only 25 more pages to go.

You can do it💪💪💪💪

Three-Oh-Oh!  Three-Oh-Oh!!!!

[UKBillFan]

6 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Why is the media, specifically Buffalo News, still killing the Bills management about this?  They did the right thing.  They released the guy within 48 hours of when the girl's side of the story was released publicly.  They did not know these details previously.  

It's like some journalists are dying to make their career on this story as if they are breaking "new" news.  Which they are not.  

 

Not sure what the agreement is between this site and the Buffalo News but wouldn't mind seeing all links to articles from it removed from the front page after the revelling in attacking the Bills.

Edited August 29, 2022 by UKBillFan

[Forlorn hope]

7 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Why is the media, specifically Buffalo News, still killing the Bills management about this?  They did the right thing.  They released the guy within 48 hours of when the girl's side of the story was released publicly.  They did not know these details previously.  

It's like some journalists are dying to make their career on this story as if they are breaking "new" news.  Which they are not.  

Everyone knows why... Simply ignore them. 

Honestly I'm glad the disgusting rot in the buffalo news, the athletic etc are showing their true colors. The buffalo bills and other independent media platforms need to disassociate and be done with these legacy media types. 

 

We don't need them anymore. 

 

 

[ddaryl]

27 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The journal wouldn’t work now anyways. He could of literally wrote those entries that day and nobody would know the difference. 

Well the girls testimony would come into play here. If she says she wrote it when she wrote it under oath it would carry weight, and they could do hand writiing analysis... but posting on twitter before a trial will make it difficult to allow IMO.

[Yobogoya!]

18 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Why is the media, specifically Buffalo News, still killing the Bills management about this?  They did the right thing.  They released the guy within 48 hours of when the girl's side of the story was released publicly.  They did not know these details previously.  

It's like some journalists are dying to make their career on this story as if they are breaking "new" news.  Which they are not.  

 

I think its still debatable whether releasing a guy within days of a lawsuit going public is the "right thing" to do. 

 

And let's not kid ourselves -- if Matt Araiza was a franchise QB, there's a 0% chance he isn't on an NFL roster preparing for week 1 right now. Would it be the Bills? Who can say. But based on what little real evidence is out there right now, somebody would he taking the chance on him. Guaranteed. 

[Forlorn hope]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

Well the girls testimony would come into play here. If she says she wrote it when she wrote it under oath it would carry weight, and they could do hand writiing analysis... but posting on twitter before a trial will make it difficult to allow IMO.

I do think something happened with this girl and I think something dark happened with the SDSU/SDPD in relation to the 300 million dollar stadium during this investigation....

 

That being said after seeing how this lawyer operates, it wouldn't shock me if someone handed him an envelope to purposely screw this case up. 

 

Somone somewhere needs to help this girl get representation with integrity....

 

 

[Forlorn hope]

4 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I think its still debatable whether releasing a guy within days of a lawsuit going public is the "right thing" to do. 

 

And let's not kid ourselves -- if Matt Araiza was a franchise QB, there's a 0% chance he isn't on an NFL roster preparing for week 1 right now. Would it be the Bills? Who can say. But based on what little real evidence is out there right now, somebody would he taking the chance on him. Guaranteed. 

It's definitely concerning. Due process is not just a legal matter, but also something we should always show deference towards in our culture and institutions.  Law is downstream from culture, not the other way around. 

 

Ppl arguing due process is strictly a legal matter are either lying or ignorant of how these systems of justice and philosophy flow through the mainstream institutions, media, think tanks, corporate financial interests etc

[Beck Water]

17 hours ago, Bills2022 said:

The fact that no criminal charges have been brought after nearly a year likely means someone is protecting the University or the girl has some history of making claims after attending college parties.  It could be both.  These guys are sketchy, but her lawyer screams lawyer/PR guy that is trying to make her famous. 

 

So unfortunately, I don't think that's necessarily true that "someone is protecting the university". 

 

It may be true, or true to some extent.

 

It may also be true that this is a crime where it's going to be very difficult to prosecute and it's taking a while to put a package of evidence together

 

Look at where the police started: they had a bruised young woman with bloody clothes who came to them the day after the crime.  They may look at her and listen to her story and fully believe she was the victim of a serious crime that they would like to see prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  What do they have to work with? 

 

She admits she has only hazy and incomplete memories of the crime, she doesn't clearly remember anything after meeting a guy outside and "flirting/introduced".  She doesn't know if the bruises on her neck were hickies or strangulation marks.  I'm not even clear they would have enough "probable cause" to search the house at that point.  If they do have terabytes of data, they probably did search at some point and seize cell phones.  Then they get to go through the cell phones in a legally admissable way.  The labs that do that work are likely backlogged.  It's a mess.  It's going to take time.

 

15 hours ago, djp14150 said:

The calls are inadmissible in criminal/ civil court.  Califotnia is a two party stste.

 

if no warrant was issued for the recordings to occur and they get released by her attorney then she and her lawyer can get sued. The police can never release that recording or put it in the public record.

 

if they do and they did not have a warrant it was illegally obtained evidence and they will be subject to ethics/ legal violations

 

This has been covered multiple times up thread.  It is not true in California.

https://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/legal-dictionary/p/pretext-calls/

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In some states, law enforcement must obtain a court order before setting up a pretext call or are prohibited all together. In California, Penal Code Section 633 allows law enforcement officers to orchestrate and tape these calls as long as they are acting within the scope of their official duties.

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Beck Water

[muppy]

14 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

I do think something happened with this girl and I think something dark happened with the SDSU/SDPD in relation to the 300 million dollar stadium during this investigation....

 

That being said after seeing how this lawyer operates, it wouldn't shock me if someone handed him an envelope to purposely screw this case up. 

 

Somone somewhere needs to help this girl get representation with integrity....

 

 

BINGO. Integrity has been sorely lacking in this entire situation from the victims attorney. I happen to think he is doing she a disservice with how this has been handled.. Ill say it once more. What I want is justice in this situation for the victim and I question his tactics in getting her that.

 

m

Edited August 29, 2022 by muppy

[BillsFanSD]

11 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I think its still debatable whether releasing a guy within days of a lawsuit going public is the "right thing" to do. 

 

And let's not kid ourselves -- if Matt Araiza was a franchise QB, there's a 0% chance he isn't on an NFL roster preparing for week 1 right now. Would it be the Bills? Who can say. But based on what little real evidence is out there right now, somebody would he taking the chance on him. Guaranteed. 

We all need to keep in mind that we don't know what the Bills know.  

 

I am extremely uncomfortable with Matt Araiza (or any player) being released based on what we know right now.  We, the general public, don't even know what Araiza's side of the story even is.  None of us can possibly have an informed opinion of whether it's credible, to what degree it conflicts with the version of events laid out in the complaint, whether he's changed his story over time, etc. 

 

I can easily imagine a situation in which the Bills had excellent reasons for dumping Araiza.  For example, suppose hypothetically that he told them back in July that he never touched Jane Doe and now last week he admits to having consensual sex with her -- I would absolutely be in favor of firing an employee who lied about something like that, or omitted that kind of major detail from his story.  These kinds of issues often come down to who you're going to believe, and why take the word of somebody who has already been dishonest with me once?  But again, this is just speculation and I have no idea if anything like this happened. 

 

Unfortunately, I can also easily imagine a situation in which the Bills made an effort to get their facts straight, decided that there wasn't enough evidence to take any action against Araiza, and then got cowed into doing so by a Twitter mob.  I would be disappointed if that's what the Bills did, but a) it's been known to happen and b) I have no idea if that's what actually happened.

 

I argued over the weekend for withholding judgement on Araiza until we had better information.  I'm strongly inclined to give the Bills the same benefit of the doubt.  They have a pretty good track record and their incentives were aligned correctly.  I have no reason to think that they acted improperly, so I'll assume their decisions were reasonable until shown evidence to the contrary.     

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

The story is more complicated than that.

 

The victim claims that she had consensual sex with Araiza.  She does not allege that he raped her, or that he was a direct participant in the gang rape -- that occurred later on.  It is highly likely that a rape kit will find clear, compelling evidence that Jane Doe was raped, and it might find traces of Araiza's DNA.  That doesn't tell us anything incriminating.  We "know" that Araiza probably hooked up with Doe, and we "know" that Doe was later raped by multiple assailants who were probably not Matt Araiza.  The worst case scenario for Araiza is that the rape kit comes back consistent with that story.  The results of the forensics test can really only be exculpatory -- they can't make things worse for him.  

 

Araiza is in trouble because of two specific allegations.  (1) Doe sort of thinks that Araiza might have tampered with her drink.  That is a huge, massive deal, but if you read the complaint you'll see that she really only vaguely waves in the direction of this argument.  I don't know that she's really raising this allegation with any level of seriousness.  (2) Doe says that Araiza led her into a room where he knew or should have known that she would be raped.  Again, this is an extremely serious allegation that should lead to prison time if true.  I do not want this guy on my team if either he did either of these things.  But no rape test can possibly resolve either claim.  

I agree with the point about the complication.  But I think you’re underselling the rape kit.  She could have been really, really beat up.  The rape kit will confirm that part of the story. 

 

I appreciate that you’re noting Araiza’s defense, which essentially is that I thought I engaged in a sexual act with a person of age whom I didn’t intoxicate and whom I did not traffic.  Fair enough.  But don’t underestimate how inflammatory those results could be.  Add that in with what allegedly was his “forgetfulness” on the phone and things suddenly get a little dicier for him. 

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How much evidence became inadmissible thanks to the "Clarence Darrow of Twitter" Dan Galleon? 

I think it might be the other way. Arazia Lawyer can not now claim that any of this information is "Privilege" because its all public.

[Forlorn hope]

What's revealing to me with arazia, is if he is innocent, he would seemingly cooperate with police and tell the authorities who was at the party. Show the police his phone, texts, timelines etc.

 

If he was guilty, logic would entail the prisoners dilemma and one of these guys would turn on the other. 

This is why I think something very shady is going on with SDSU, SDPD

[PromoTheRobot]

56 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Why is the media, specifically Buffalo News, still killing the Bills management about this?  They did the right thing.  They released the guy within 48 hours of when the girl's side of the story was released publicly.  They did not know these details previously.  

It's like some journalists are dying to make their career on this story as if they are breaking "new" news.  Which they are not.  

 

Ahhh, simpler times 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

OK have to ask.  Not going to try and read 276 pages to find it but believe

@SlimShady'sSpaceForce

 

commented that he's a bit busy with his day job preparing for the NASA moon launch to comment too much on this thread.

 

Just read the launch was canceled for today, do wonder if Two Bills Drive participation is the root cause of the delay??

Edited August 29, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Jauronimo]

53 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Why is the media, specifically Buffalo News, still killing the Bills management about this?  They did the right thing.  They released the guy within 48 hours of when the girl's side of the story was released publicly.  They did not know these details previously.  

It's like some journalists are dying to make their career on this story as if they are breaking "new" news.  Which they are not.  

The criticism is of the following three varieties, all of which are unfair in my opinion since they're still based on minimal information:

 

1.  The Bills should have known about the allegations pre-draft.  This assumes it was widely known or knowable pre-draft.

2. The Bills should have taken immediate action after they found out about the accusations over the summer.  This assumes that in July they had access to all the details contained in the civil suit.

3.  The Bills waited too long after the the news broke to act. This assumes all accusations are credible and ignores the stated goal of the victim's attorney which was to generate enough media attention to pressure the police and DA to get moving on the criminal charges.

 

[ddaryl]

26 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

I think it might be the other way. Arazia Lawyer can not now claim that any of this information is "Privilege" because its all public.

 

 

Judge can though, because of that exact reason

[marck]

Please mods close this topic

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, marck said:

Please mods close this topic

SO yo had to click on this topic, go to the last page and then post this message.

 

You could have also just not have clicked on the link to open this topic, but here we are. 

 

AKA "LAMP LAMP LAMP"

Edited August 29, 2022 by CountDorkula

[PromoTheRobot]

38 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

I think it might be the other way. Arazia Lawyer can not now claim that any of this information is "Privilege" because its all public.

 

It's a Molotov cocktail because of the potential of prejudicing a potential juror. I can't see how it helps his client get justice.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just want to contribute to this thread to reach 300.

 

Here is Jackson Mahomes.

 

 

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Just want to contribute to this thread to reach 300.

 

Here is Jackson Mahomes.

 

 

[aceman_16]

It amazes me this topic is still going after the dude is no longer a Buffalo Bill and literally nothing new is being contributed but repeat information and confirmation bias. I will include my useless post for the proactive response to the trolls

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Because he's very talented.  I mean, do you know how long it took to rehearse these moves?

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Forlorn hope said:

What's revealing to me with arazia, is if he is innocent, he would seemingly cooperate with police and tell the authorities who was at the party. Show the police his phone, texts, timelines etc.

 

If he was guilty, logic would entail the prisoners dilemma and one of these guys would turn on the other. 

This is why I think something very shady is going on with SDSU, SDPD

dangerous assumption as cooperating with the police is not always in the persons best interest even if not a part of the main accusation.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

OK have to ask.  Not going to try and read 276 pages to find it but believe one of the posters, actually think it was one of the moderators commented that he's a bit busy with his day job preparing for the NASA moon launch to comment too much on this thread.

 

Just read the launch was canceled for today, do wonder if Two Bills Drive participation is the root cause of the delay??

 

Anyone know who that was??

 

Search engine here ain't great, but it will do an adequate job finding unusual terms like "moon" in a thread.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Beck Water

[Motorin']

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Forlorn hope said:

What's revealing to me with arazia, is if he is innocent, he would seemingly cooperate with police and tell the authorities who was at the party. Show the police his phone, texts, timelines etc.

 

If he was guilty, logic would entail the prisoners dilemma and one of these guys would turn on the other. 

This is why I think something very shady is going on with SDSU, SDPD

 

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