Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

And from what the victims attorney has tweeted since he was cut, it appears he was using the Bills and Araiza. The victim deserves better and better representation.

 

It cast some doubt on how much involvement Araiza actually had or were he and the Bills just used for PR?

The fact he was so condescending, almost like a “how dare you come at me like that” response to his legal rep, followed by a lie about money according to texts he released and saying an apology and donation could have saved him makes me believe Matt Araiza is more so guilty of wrong place, wrong time than what he’s accused. 
 

I believe something terrible happened to her that night, but I’m really not sure Araiza was involved to the extent alleged. 
 

He was let down by his lawyer, and this woman is being let down by hers. 
 

Two young peoples lives destroyed, and two adults hired to protect them are standing over the rubble of their futures.   

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

When I was at UB I hooked up with a few Canisius girls.  I never asked if it was college or high school.

IIRC, because Canisius High School is all boys. 😆 

 

 

[FWIW, BFLo area is like the epicenter for non-coed education]

2 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Canisus is an all boys high school dumbass

😆... Glad he wasn't hitting on the Villa girls that's where my sister went! 

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

The fact he was so condescending, almost like a “how dare you come at me like that” response to his legal rep, followed by a lie about money according to texts he released and saying an apology and donation could have saved him makes me believe Matt Araiza is more so guilty of wrong place, wrong time than what he’s accused. 
 

I believe something terrible happened to her that night, but I’m really not sure Araiza was involved to the extent alleged. 
 

He was let down by his lawyer, and this woman is being let down by hers. 
 

Two young peoples lives destroyed, and two adults hired to protect them are standing over the rubble of their futures.   

Yea, it casts doubt to what he actually submitted in the civil filling.

 

Her lawyer is bordering on unethical behaviour or at the least admitting to extortion. If you would have made a donation, read: pay me out, then none of this would have come out? Really?

 

It really does seem like wrong place and wrong time for Araiza. 
 

And it seems like the press isn’t really going after or questioning anything her attorney has said since.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

When I was at UB I hooked up with a few Canisius girls.  I never asked if it was college or high school.

It is so strange the victims lawyer leaked the diary that said that.  Makes me think there’s a lot of info that isn’t public and some of it may be positive for Matt.  I’m still very happy we cut him just based on what we know now though he’s just way too close to all of this and at the end of the day he had sex with a drunk 17 year old no matter how you slice it 

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The fact he was so condescending, almost like a “how dare you come at me like that” response to his legal rep, followed by a lie about money according to texts he released and saying an apology and donation could have saved him makes me believe Matt Araiza is more so guilty of wrong place, wrong time than what he’s accused. 
 

I believe something terrible happened to her that night, but I’m really not sure Araiza was involved to the extent alleged. 
 

He was let down by his lawyer, and this woman is being let down by hers. 
 

Two young peoples lives destroyed, and two adults hired to protect them are standing over the rubble of their futures.   

He led her to a room where two of his teammates found her.. In a house he resided in.  That's bad, very bad... Complicit as hell!  Who's room was it? He has to know, he lives there!

 

He accessory to the crime if it can be proven. 

Edited August 28, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, BTB said:

With “perhaps” being the keyword.  There was no way an apology and a donation was going to make this go away. 
 

Just strictly based on her lawyers actions it really seems like he knows Matt wasn’t involved with the gang rape and they thought they could bully him into a settlement to avoid a statutory rape charge because that will likely be a tossup in a court room.  Of course he could just be a bad lawyer that’s presenting his clients side like that accidentally though 

 

It seems like it’s being rumored that there may be some witnesses that said Matt wasn’t in the house when the gang rape occurred and that would make some logical sense based on what her lawyer has been doing and it would also explain somewhat why the criminal investigation is taking so long.  No idea if it’s true though 

Edited August 28, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Yea, it casts doubt to what he actually submitted in the civil filling.

 

Her lawyer is bordering on unethical behaviour or at the least admitting to extortion. If you would have made a donation, read: pay me out, then none of this would have come out? Really?

 

It really does seem like wrong place and wrong time for Araiza. 
 

And it seems like the press isn’t really going after or questioning anything her attorney has said since.

The press is useless.  Pretty sure most of the reporters took the accusations at face value and believed them from jump.   They all have agendas and gone are the days where they seem to be able to convey impartiality. 
 

Any reporters who may have questions, likely feel that there’s too much self-righteous anger coming their way if they dare question anything about this situation.  

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

He led her to a room where two of his teammates found her.. In a house he resided in.  That's bad, very bad... Complicit as hell!  Who's room was it? He has to know, he lives there!

 

He accessory to the crime if it can be proven. 

And she went right to the police, didn't she? This sounds terrible. Blood and bruising are not good. 

[BuffaloBud17]

54 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

Backlash over what?  Araiza isn't on the team.

 

How they handled the situation, knowing that he had these accusations against him for a month and planning on him being you starting punter still

Edited August 28, 2022 by BuffaloBud17

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

He led her to a room where two of his teammates found her.. In a house he resided in.  That's bad, very bad... Complicit as hell!  Who's room was it? He has to know, he lives there!

 

He accessory to the crime if it can be proven. 

 

Unless he told the teammates where to find her and/or to rape her (and obviously if he participated in it) he's got no legal obligation to ensure she doesn't get raped by teammates when he's not looking just because he rents a room in the house.

 

1 minute ago, BuffaloBud17 said:

How they handled the situation, knowing that he had these accusations against him for a month and planning on him being you starting punter still

 

That part's over.  Now it's its own story.

[NyQuil]

20 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Canisus is an all boys high school dumbass

And I didn’t know. I just knew it was a local high school. No need to be a dick about it.

Edited August 28, 2022 by NyQuil

[CoudyBills]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBud17 said:

 

How they handled the situation, knowing that he had these accusations against him for a month and planning on him being you starting punter still

Backlash for waiting until a civil suit or a criminal case was brought?  That's asinine.

[extrahammer]

Gloria Allred should be repping Jane Doe, not this hot-headed male attorney. Gloria's record is nearly perfect and she's based in SoCal, Jane Doe's attorney has already admitted he's at least 0-2 against Araiza's attorney in cases, that's not good for the victim. You have to wonder why Gloria isn't taking on this case. Jane Doe's attorney also has martyr syndrome, he's alienated every possible bridge for a settlement and he's gone nuclear. He's lied about making a settlement offer and being able to issue subpoena's (he can't until the court reviews the complaint and makes a decision).

 

He's not going to stop attacking the Bills, fans should prepare for a media spectacle from him, possibly even at the Rams game considering San Diego is just over an hour from LA. Hate to say it but that's the only pattern he's shown to this point. 

 

That all being said, good on the Bills for making a quick decision. If Bills fans are donating to a women's survivor fund or organization of any type, please let me know. 

Edited August 28, 2022 by extrahammer

[SCBills]

Bills are not going to face any backlash.
 

In fact, check most circles and people are praising them after what happened in Cleveland.  

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

Gloria Allred should be repping Jane Doe, not this hot-headed male attorney. Gloria's record is nearly perfect, Jane Doe's attorney has already admitted he's at least 0-2 against Araiza's attorney in cases, that's not good for the victim. He's also got martyr syndrome, he's alienated every possible bridge for a settlement and he's gone nuclear. He's lied about making a settlement offer and being able to issue subpoena's (he can't until the court reviews the complaint and makes a decision).

 

He's not going to stop attacking the Bills, fans should prepare for a media spectacle from him, possibly even at the Rams game considering San Diego is just over an hour from LA. Hate to say it but that's the only pattern he's shown to this point. 

 

That all being said, good on the Bills for making a quick decision. If Bills fans are donating to a women's survivor fund or organization of any type, please let me know. 

 

He can do what he wants.  No one will take him seriously.

[BullBuchanan]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The press is useless.  Pretty sure most of the reporters took the accusations at face value and believed them from jump.   They all have agendas and gone are the days where they seem to be able to convey impartiality. 
 

Any reporters who may have questions, likely feel that there’s too much self-righteous anger coming their way if they dare question anything about this situation.  

This is nonsense. The baseless attacks attempting to discredit the broad journalist community over the last several years based on ominous "agendas" is a tired take.

 

What "agenda" is in play here? Should the news be burying the story like the university did?

[GaryPinC]

22 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

You mean like innocent until proven guilty?  Sorry, didn't realize you supported the Salem Witch Trials.

He'll get his day in court, this was about how his situation impacts and distracts an entire organization.   

 

I also trust that the Bills took a hard, in depth look at the circumstances around that event in making the call to release him.

 

FWIW, one of the SDSU current players allegedly involved in the gang rape has also been released from that team.  You can claim more witch trials but it may also be SDSU's increased scrutiny of the situation precipitated it.

 

Time to trial takes months or years.  In high profile incidents that affect large organizations, they do their own scrutiny of the facts around the case and make their own judgment call.  Possibly unfair yes, but they can't afford the PR nightmare of supporting questionable circumstances. 

 

I'm sure the Bills are confident Araiza's situation is not simply a money grab.  The victim appears to have followed post-rape protocol within 24 hours so it's not like she just started bringing this up last month.

[Bob in STL]

11 minutes ago, NyQuil said:

And I didn’t know. I just knew it was a local high school. No need to be a dick about it.

You lied.  

[CoudyBills]

34 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Canisus is an all boys high school dumbass

Don't bash him for his preferences...

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This is nonsense. The baseless attacks attempting to discredit the broad journalist community over the last several years based on ominous "agendas" is a tired take.

 

What "agenda" is in play here? Should the news be burying the story like the university did?

They did it to themselves. 
 

No, not at all.. but they should be able to ask basic questions that elaborate on Matt Araiza’s defense and parse through insane tweets and statements by the lawyer who was trying, and is now successful, in forcing the Bills to release their player.

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by SCBills

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBud17 said:

This story is on GMA this morning. They are also interviewing the victims father, this is not going away. The Bills will still have to deal with backlash throughout the season probably.

It’ll last a few more days involving the Bills and then fade away. That’s why they cut him because it was a PR nightmare that was just beginning.  There are so many layers. It’s even possible there was a cover up by a major university football program.  A football program trying to be accepted into the new PAC 12 conference. Some very shady stuff going on.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, CoudyBills said:

Take your bs to ppp where people care.

I didn't levy the accusations. I responded to them.

 

Pay attention.

[hemma]

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And she went right to the police, didn't she? This sounds terrible. Blood and bruising are not good. 

I think she went the next day, not immediately after the incident.

 

Ideally the police would have gotten a warrant and immediately searched the house & occupants for physical evidence, but I think that stuff mostly happens on TV.  Too late now.

 

I do think the police will try to determine a timeline & what happened right after after she left the house as I believe the pics of her were taken the next day.  They may even investigate her father as a family problem (underage coming home late/drunk) can certainly escalate to violence. Who knows?

 

The whole thing is quicksand.  I think the Bills lawyers told the Bills to walk around it as there is no way to know how bad all of this will get.

[extrahammer]

11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This is nonsense. The baseless attacks attempting to discredit the broad journalist community over the last several years based on ominous "agendas" is a tired take.

 

What "agenda" is in play here? Should the news be burying the story like the university did?

It's been asked repeatedly from a ton of fans why her attorney is lying about not making an initial settlement offer attempt. It's also been repeatedly asked why her attorney is lying that he can issue subpoenas now when in fact he cannot. He can't until the court reviews his filed complaint and makes a decision. Even then, if he gets that, a court clerk will still have to review and approve every subpoena he wants to serve. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, extrahammer said:

It's been asked repeatedly from a ton of fans why her attorney is lying about not making an initial settlement offer attempt. It's also been repeatedly asked why her attorney is lying that he can issue subpoenas now when in fact he cannot. He can't until the court reviews his filed complaint and makes a decision. Even then, if he gets that, a court clerk will still have to review and approve every subpoena he wants to serve. 

Ok, cool. That all seems like fluff to me well outside of the main story.

[extrahammer]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Ok, cool. That all seems like fluff to me well outside of the main story.

 

I mean these are serious allegations so the fact that her attorney is being grossly misleading and lying at best, along with changing the narrative a few times deserves more scrutiny. Reporters should be asking all the questions. That's what I would call good journalism. He's also eliminated all of her chances to recover any monetary damages, which is the whole point of him filing the complaint to try to sue. Like I really feel bad for this girl. Like really. 

Edited August 28, 2022 by extrahammer

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Ok, cool. That all seems like fluff to me well outside of the main story.

“Fluff”… that lawyers main mission, allegedly on behalf of the woman he is representing, was to make sure Matt Araiza never plays football. 
 

Yet, nobody can question why he’s contradicting himself, making false statements, holding a personal grudge against Araiza/Araiza’s lawyer and then saying Matt Araiza could have made this all go away with an apology and donation?

 

None of that seems newsworthy to you?

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by SCBills

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, extrahammer said:

 

I mean these are serious allegations so the fact that her attorney is being grossly misleading and lying at best, along with changing the narrative a few times deserves more scrutiny. Reporters should be asking all the questions. That's what I would call good journalism. 

Attempting to discredit the plaintiffs attorney only serves to discredit the plaintiff which is highly inappropriate.

 

So the attorney can't issue subpoenas. Cool. We know that and can move on froma pretty innocuous detail. With respect to lying about a settlement offer? I think that's all caught in the bickering between the two lawyers, and if it isn't again I'm not really concerned.

 

I care about the actual story, not the way the lawyer does his job.

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

It's been asked repeatedly from a ton of fans why her attorney is lying about not making an initial settlement offer attempt. It's also been repeatedly asked why her attorney is lying that he can issue subpoenas now when in fact he cannot. He can't until the court reviews his filed complaint and makes a decision. Even then, if he gets that, a court clerk will still have to review and approve every subpoena he wants to serve. 

Wrong

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Attempting to discredit the plaintiffs attorney only serves to discredit the plaintiff which is highly inappropriate.

 

So the attorney can't issue subpoenas. Cool. We know that and can move on froma pretty innocuous detail. With respect to lying about a settlement offer? I think that's all caught in the bickering between the two lawyers, and if it isn't again I'm not really concerned.

 

I care about the actual story, not the way the lawyer does his job.

Nah. You’ve decided Matt Araiza is guilty before hearing all the facts/both sides and solely seek confirmation bias. 
 

You may be correct.  You may not be. 
 

However, the one thing you are not seeking is justice.  
 

You’re displaying bias and advocating for vengeance. 
 

Edited August 28, 2022 by SCBills

[extrahammer]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Attempting to discredit the plaintiffs attorney only serves to discredit the plaintiff which is highly inappropriate.

 

 

 

I disagree, respectfully. My concern in this is the victim and her getting the resolution she deserves. His pattern of contradictions and not being an A level attorney in this field will potentially just snowball until he gets exposed -- ruining her chances at getting the resolution she deserves. So it's my personal opinion that if anyone truly cares about her, they would be concerned with these things, all of the things. 

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

“Fluff”… that lawyers main mission, allegedly on behalf of the woman he is representing, was to make sure Matt Araiza never plays football. 
 

Yet, nobody can question why he’s contradicting himself, making false statements, holding a personal grudge against Araiza/Araiza’s lawyer and then saying Matt Araiza could have made this all go away with an apology and donation?

 

None of that seems newsworthy to you?

 

Not really, no. See my previous comment.

 

Going after her lawyer just seems like an ad hominem to me. Jane Doe could fire him tomorrow and we don't have any reason to believe that anything about the story would change. To me, that's the only thing that matters.

 

There's been an attempt to discredit her legal representation since the very early pages on this thread based on things as unrelated as who he talks to on Twitter. That's very troublesome to me.

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Nah. You’ve decided Matt Araiza is guilty before hearing all the facts/both sides and solely seek confirmation bias. 
 

You may be correct.  You may not be. 
 

However, the one thing you are not seeking is justice.  
 

You’re displaying bias and advocating for vengeance. 
 

No, I didn't. My take has been consistent from the very beginning. I wanted him released regardless of guilt due to his distraction to the team. I believe I e told you this on multiple occasions. I'm perfectly capable of saying what I believe without you having to define it for me.

 

I believe in truth and justice, which victims of sexual assault overwhelmingly do not receive. If he's innocent, he'll walk. If he's guilty he may walk too. All of that is to be determined.

 

If he was trying to convince anyone of his innocence however, he hasn't succeeded. No one says he has to, and maybe legally that isn't the right thing for him to do. It doesn't make him guilty, but it's an odd look to not publicly deny the allegations in a stronger manner than he did.

Edited August 28, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Not really, no. See my previous comment.

 

Going after her lawyer just seems like an ad hominem to me. Jane Doe could fire him tomorrow and we don't have any reason to believe that anything about the story would change. To me, that's the only thing that matters.

 

There's been an attempt to discredit her legal representation since the very early pages on this thread based on things as unrelated as who he talks to on Twitter. That's very troublesome to me.

 

And you believe the lawyer does not deserve it?

[extrahammer]

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

Wrong

 

Please elaborate on what part you think is wrong. Right now Jane Doe's attorney cannot issue subpoenas based on California law because he's only filed a civil complaint. A court does have to review the civil complaint and make a decision first before he's able to issue subpoenas. There's no stamp on the filing complaint based on what I've seen, so if there is, let me know. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

No, I didn't. My take has been consistent from the very beginning. I wanted him released regardless of guilt due to his distraction to the team. I believe I e told you this on multiple occasions. I'm perfectly capable of saying what I believe without you having to define it for me.

 

I believe in truth and justice, which victims of sexual assault overwhelmingly do not receive. If he's innocent, he'll walk. If he's guilty he may walk too. All of that is to be determined.

 

If he was trying to convince anyone of his innocence however, he hasn't succeeded. No one says he has to, and maybe legally that isn't the right thing for him to do. It doesn't make him guilty, but it's an odd look to not publicly deny the allegations in a stronger manner than he did.

I don’t agree with much you’ve said on this matter, but I fully agree with your last sentence.  Team Araiza did not distinguish itself over the last three days.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t agree with much you’ve said on this matter, but I fully agree with your last sentence.  Team Araiza did not distinguish itself over the last three days.

 

I disagree with that.  They're the team that's actually behaving in a professional manner, mostly by not saying much of anything.

[PromoTheRobot]

16 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t agree with much you’ve said on this matter, but I fully agree with your last sentence.  Team Araiza did not distinguish itself over the last three days.

 

It's was a crap show all around. I don't know what Jane Doe's attorney's end game is. His behavior could jeopardize his client's ability to bring Araiza and his accomplices to justice, or even win a civil judgement.

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I disagree with that.  They're the team that's actually behaving in a professional manner, mostly by not saying much of anything.

 

Exactly. The law should be carried out in court; not on social media.

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

I don’t think they would have covered it; they would have gone down the route of “no comment” or “due to legal issues, we do not want to discuss background conversations”. In answering a further question, Beane even went out of his way to stress again that Araiza’s story hadn’t changed.

 

That’s not to say which side is telling the truth, just that Araiza has been consistent with what he told the Bills.

 

 

His story could have stayed the same with or without lies included or an insufficient amount of information.  The Bills could have discovered more detail, or a lie.  It does not mean this is what happened, we just can’t know that it did not.

Edited August 28, 2022 by 4merper4mer