Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[The Wiz]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's being reported that the Bills'  organization has known about this for a month. Why the "haack" did they release Matt Haack.

The only reason I can think of is that they did their own investigation and found Ariaza to be telling the truth about the situation.

 

That's why I don't think the Bills should be taking a hit with their image at this point.   If more come out that Ariaza was guilty, they will cut bait and issue a public statement about how they won't employee someone like that. 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, hemma said:

Have you noticed any Bills players chirping about this?

I deleted my acct awhile ago and can’t search.

Nah.. just Bills podcasters and big name fan accounts gathering Twitter clout by the barrel. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Why would the Bills get legally involved at all?

 

Maybe we should just stop judging the legitimacy of the case by the lawyers' behavior.

 

I'm not saying the case isn't legitimate - just it's coming across that both attorney's are letting down their clients.

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

It’s pretty easy to tell all the individuals who have their own skeletons in their closets coming out to defend this piece of trash. Why DEFEND Araiza at all?  To silence any other women who have the courage to come forward? You don’t know anything except charges have been levied. What grounds do you have to defend such abhorrent accusations?  Every stupid emoji, every baseless defense on indefensible actions speaks volumes to your own personal character, and which virtues you hold true, if any.  If any of you taking the stance of blindly defending this dbag just because he he’s got a Buffalo on his helmet, as your wives what they think, or daughters, or mothers..

 

My God, so you now have decided that he is a "piece of trash"  and a "dbag".  

 

Oh the irony, you are lecturing others, "You don't know anything except charges have been levied".

[BillsFanSD]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

They need to interview the girl's friends who took her home , why not direct to hospital , what she told them and her condition.

I'd be shocked if they haven't been interviewed by Araiza's attorney.  This is speculation on my part, but I'm tentatively assuming that these are the witnesses he claims are contradicting the plaintiff's story.  Otherwise they plaintiff's attorney would be citing them as corroborators.

 

(Edit: This is pure speculation, of course.  I am extremely interested in hearing what these folks have to say, and their testimony will greatly inform my views.)

Edited August 26, 2022 by BillsFanSD

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

🤔

 

 

 

His attorney is an idiot. Like a real life idiot. The twitter attorney is right, he needs to find somebody more competent. 

""I don't know. I don't think it was before the draft," Armstrong said. "I'm almost certain it was after. Apparently I said that, so that was a mistake. But he was forthcoming with the Bills, but I don't think it was until after he was drafted because he didn't know that this was ever gonna go anywhere until the LA Times article came out, I think around, whatever it was, five or six weeks ago."

 

"Armstrong said it was his understanding that Araiza did not bring up the allegation to the Bills until the article was published.

"I don't know how quickly after that," Armstrong said. "But it was after that.""

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The Lawyer should be doing business for his client, in a courtroom, and not in the court of public opinion.

Sometimes the latter helps the former. This case sat without charges for nearly a year, and maybe now they'll finally do it due to public pressure. It works.

Edited August 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[RiotAct]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

🤔

 

 

🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[dje85]

11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's being reported that the Bills'  organization has known about this for a month. Why the "haack" did they release Matt Haack.

Because he is a bad punter? Guy was 22nd or worse in every statistic in every category in the NFL last year. We can get a guy as good or better off the street after cuts. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

The only reason I can think of is that they did their own investigation and found Ariaza to be telling the truth about the situation.

 

That's why I don't think the Bills should be taking a hit with their image at this point.   If more come out that Ariaza was guilty, they will cut bait and issue a public statement about how they won't employee someone like that. 

Spot on.

 

If the report, they knew this allegation before the cut Haack I cant believe in any way they would cut Haack so early unless they are highly confident Araiza didnt do it.

[Arkady Renko]

17 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

oh.

Not a real Pegula…

[Kwai San]

12 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

No I check news on there but almost always avoid comment sections. I can barely handle this place and it’s moderated quite well imo. 

 

Ain't that the damn truth!!!

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

16 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

 No one's making excuses for some nobody pos.  They are just stating a fact that's been reported.  If she was lying to people at the party what was the reason she lied?  Perfectly valid question to ask in such a situation.  Her credibility also needs to be established as is anyone's if they want to make a declarative statement of a fact to me that has not yet been proven as true.  In any situation that's a he said she said both parties need to have credibility established.  I don't know if it would matter if she was telling people she was 18 and attending college.  That's up to the laws in the jurisdiction the crime allegedly occurred in.  Let the DA make their determination on whether charges are merited and if so to whom and what charge.  

 

  You appear to have already determined that Araiza is guilty all without a trial.  Please tell me you aren't of legal age to be summoned for jury duty.  I prefer innocent until proven guilty for any criminal issues and the standards needed to prove a civil case need to be attained before a civil litigation is won.   In either types of cases social media should have no bearing on the decisions of that proceeding.  

Because it’s extremely underreported, and rarely false accusations.  Sounds to me like the girl just went with the wrong lawyer.  She did however go to the police which would be pretty brazen for a young girl to do if she’s fabricating everything. When it comes to SA it’s probably best I’m not on any jury, I’ll agree with you on that one. 
 

But the fact remains that instances where sexual assault takes places but allegations aren’t brought forward at all occurs at a far higher rate than false accusations are ever being made.  Never mind that barely anybody is ever found guilty of rape even in the rare instances that they do face charges.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

 

https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

Edited August 26, 2022 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said:

Not a real Pegula…

You don't think thats actually Terry's dog posting?

[AuntieEm]

28 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

It sure as hell can.  For the hundredth time, I'm not absolutely claiming him to be innocent, but I have literal firsthand knowledge of false claims arising from EXACTLY THAT SCENARIO.  I've personally been witness to teenage girls talking about making up a story to have my best friend charged with rape, with them even admitting to having her mother in on the lie to punish him for perceived grievances against them.

 

If he's guilty I'll gladly sign off on a bullet being put in him.  But he hasn't at all been proven guilty by any means.

 

  Yes and knowing there are false accusations I don't see you just clamoring leave the innocent guy alone   but let's wait for the facts to reveal which version of the events proves to be what actually occurred as much as can be proven in such a case.  Facts will likely at least make one version more credible than the other then you go from there.

 

[gobills404]

14 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

How is this unprofessional?  What’s the goal?  At bottom, probably justice.  And in this instance, justice might have been a cash transfer that made the victim feel whole (or at least less unwhole).  Araiza’s attorney apparently attempted to call what he thought was a bluff.  Turns out it might not have been a bluff, and justice may now be ruining the guy who someone believes ruined her/their daughter.  

 

I’ll get back to the point that if Araiza is not guilty of a crime and he would like to keep his job, then he needs to get someone speaking effectively on his behalf ASAP.  Give the Bills PR cover to keep him.  Otherwise, he’s relying on the strength of the Bills to allow this, from his perspective, to hopefully blow over.  At some point (and I think we’re getting close to being there), it’s not worth the aggravation to keep this guy around. 

Maybe actually look at his account before you type all that

[SCBills]

Pretty sure Steve Bannon’s lawyer would be an improvement over these two. 

[17islongenough]

The one thing I've learned is that both of these lawyers are pretty bad

[HomeskillitMoorman]

23 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

This is the problem with making snap judgements based on emotion.  You end up locking yourself into a position ("this guy must be cut," "it's a shakedown," etc.) and then, human nature being what it is, you backwards-engineer arguments to support that position that you would never have adopted under other circumstances.

 

No NFL team is cutting anybody because they spread an STD.  My employer (public university) would never in a million years fire somebody for that.  It just isn't a thing that results in discipline with your employer unless you happen to work in some very specialized industries.  

 

The rape allegation is extremely serious.  If Matt Araiza raped somebody, he should be cut.  And prosecuted of course.  The rest of the stuff in this complaint is all red herrings.  

 

Not simply for spreading an STD, but knowingly spreading one is really messed up. If this lawyer is being real about this supposed phone call where he said that, that I obviously don't know. That's why I prefaced it with IF. 

[SectionC3]

11 minutes ago, ALF said:

They need to interview the girl's friends who took her home , why not direct to hospital , what she told them and her condition.

They’re young kids who had a friend who was just raped (allegedly).  Hardly is it a problem that they didn’t think to direct her to a hospital for the administration of a rape kit. 

[YoloinOhio]

44 minutes ago, finn said:

I wish I were as confident as you about their motives. The reported information is pretty damning. The girl told a friend about the rape immediately and went to the police the next day. Does that sound like a false 

 

This take makes the most sense to me. I didn't understand why they cut Haack knowing this news was about to break. (I'm very skeptical that they believed Araiza, given the information we have.) Your explanation clears that up. Of course, now they're screwed. They really have no choice but to cut him. His abilities aren't worth the distraction, division, and bad press. Maybe Keenum can hold?

No, it sounds like she was likely raped. Not sure that’s really in dispute. What we don’t know is if araiza was one who raped her or was involved in the act in some way. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

The only reason I can think of is that they did their own investigation and found Ariaza to be telling the truth about the situation.

 

That's why I don't think the Bills should be taking a hit with their image at this point.   If more come out that Ariaza was guilty, they will cut bait and issue a public statement about how they won't employee someone like that. 

Araiza’s lawyer when asked yesterday if charges are coming said 1 of the accused is in a different situation then Araiza. He said he’s confident Araiza won’t be charged.

 

I’m wondering if that person is the one that will eventually be charged. The best thing for Araiza is that charges are handed out to the other players. Many believe something happened, so if evidence points to the other players I think fans and media will move on.

 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

Maybe actually look at his account before you type all that

I did before I typed that post.  Sticking by my opinion. 

[dje85]

18 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

That sounds fine, but I believe, that YOU are incorrect.

 

 

No, I am correct as I went on a California law website and pulled the specific law subset that pertains. But agree to disagree if you want who am I to judge you?

Edited August 26, 2022 by dje85

[HomeskillitMoorman]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He says in some of his videos that every time the victim is attack so he attacks back.

 

 

I don't necessarily care about that part, it's that some of his posts weren't even coherent. If she was raped, it's way too important for him to present himself like that. 

[billsfan89]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

His attorney is an idiot. Like a real life idiot. The twitter attorney is right, he needs to find somebody more competent. 

""I don't know. I don't think it was before the draft," Armstrong said. "I'm almost certain it was after. Apparently I said that, so that was a mistake. But he was forthcoming with the Bills, but I don't think it was until after he was drafted because he didn't know that this was ever gonna go anywhere until the LA Times article came out, I think around, whatever it was, five or six weeks ago."

 

"Armstrong said it was his understanding that Araiza did not bring up the allegation to the Bills until the article was published.

"I don't know how quickly after that," Armstrong said. "But it was after that.""

 

[aceman_16]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

My axe to grind is that there are zero people who are disputing whether this girl was gang raped for 90 minutes and a player on the Bills is involved at any level. At the baseline of facts that everybody agrees on, Matt Araiza had sex with a girl that was so drunk he needed to go help her lay down.

My axe to grind is that there are 121 pages of old men who don't believe (respect) women.

There is no agenda. And your insinuation that such a stance of believing women and not wanting that trash in my town or on my football team is disgusting. 

^^see my above statement...good luck.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Because it’s extremely underreported, and rarely false accusations.  Sounds to me like the girl just went with the wrong lawyer.  She did however go to the police which would be pretty brazen for a young girl to do if she’s fabricating everything. When it comes to SA it’s probably best I’m not on any jury, I’ll agree with you on that one. 
 

But the fact remains that instances where sexual assault takes places but allegations aren’t brought forward at all occurs at a far higher rate often than false accusations are ever being made.  Never mind that barely anybody is ever found guilty of rape even in the rare instances that they do face charges.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

 

https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

The girl could be a rape victim (I believe she is) deserving of justice AND Araiza could still be innocent of the most serious allegations (no clue what to believe on this count.  Sounds like he was at minimum involved in undesirable behavior regardless of whether hes found innocent of criminal offense).  That is why we have a system of justice to sort these things out.  

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

4 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Yes and knowing there are false accusations I don't see you just clamoring leave the innocent guy alone   but let's wait for the facts to reveal which version of the events proves to be what actually occurred as much as can be proven in such a case.  Facts will likely at least make one version more credible than the other then you go from there.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/
 

don’t worry, less than 1% of all rapes lead to convictions, your punter will be fine… the victims on the other hand are left with a lifetime of trauma

[BarleyNY]

15 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Crafting hypotheticals for others and then outraging yourself at the conclusions is not a productive way to have a discussion.

Not a hypothetical at all. I was just summarizing and pointing out how incredibly stupid the “money grab” and “who knows what really happened” angles are.  I did so in a snarky way, but you of all people should appreciate that. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

The girl could be a rape victim (I believe she is) deserving of justice AND Araiza could still be innocent of the most serious allegations (no clue what to believe on this count.  Sounds like he was at minimum involved in undesirable behavior regardless of whether hes found innocent of criminal offense).  That is why we have a system of justice to sort these things out.  

Yeah, criminal justice serves victims of sexual assault very well indeed.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

 

Literally one of the the hardest crimes to prove in criminal court.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Well, in other news, Aaron Donald went all Myles Garret, double fisting helmets on some Bengal players today.... So maybe the Araiza news takes a backseat for a little bit. 

[BillsfaninSB]

5 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I am not sure people are arguing that was the plan. I think most people believe something happened that night but that the Araiza situation and the gang rape situation are not necessarily linked despite the civil suit claiming as such, but the civil suit was filed in July I believe after Araiza was drafted which aims to link the two events together. That is peoples doubt. Pulling Araiza into the civil suit to include someone with money.

Civil suit was filed yesterday.

 

Post intercourse, Plaintiff claims Arazia took her to a bedroom occupied by the former teammates and threw her face down on to the bed.  Have not heard whether or not someone is claiming this is not true.  It sounds like what happened next with respect to Arazia is unclear.  Was he in the room, did he watch and do nothing, did he participate or did he walk away?

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

Not a hypothetical at all. I was just summarizing and pointing out how incredibly stupid the “money grab” and “who knows what really happened” angles are.  I did so in a snarky way, but you of all people should appreciate that. 

That was a highly dishonest summary of the post you replied to.  

[jkirchofer]

1 minute ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Yeah, criminal justice serves victims of sexual assault very well indeed.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

 

Literally one of the the hardest crimes to prove in criminal court.

Exactly why there is usually a civil suit. A way to hold their attacker accountable when the justice system fails to do so.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Yeah, criminal justice serves victims of sexual assault very well indeed.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

 

Literally one of the the hardest crimes to prove in criminal court.

So you're advocating for extra judicial measures here?

[Yobogoya!]

Just now, BillsfaninSB said:

Civil suit was filed yesterday.

 

Post intercourse, Plaintiff claims Arazia took her to a bedroom occupied by the former teammates and threw her face down on to the bed.  Have not heard whether or not someone is claiming this is not true.  It sounds like what happened next with respect to Arazia is unclear.  Was he in the room, did he watch and do nothing, did he participate or did he walk away?

 

Her own diary entry that her lawyer posted on twitter contradicts almost all of those specifics. 

[BarleyNY]

16 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I am not sure people are arguing that was the plan. I think most people believe something happened that night but that the Araiza situation and the gang rape situation are not necessarily linked despite the civil suit claiming as such, but the civil suit was filed in July I believe after Araiza was drafted which aims to link the two events together. That is peoples doubt. Pulling Araiza into the civil suit to include someone with money.

Wasn’t Araiza named in the criminal complaint filed the day after the alleged rape? 

[Alphadawg7]

34 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Dude, why the ***** are people making excuses for some nobody pos… fan base is extremely disappointing. Anybody wants to defend ***** like this doesn’t have a woman in there life they give any ***** about.

 

So we can all be as enraged as you are about his undeniable guilt...do us a favor...

1. Post the list of the eyewitnesses you interviewed please so we can get as in the know as you are on this case.
2. Release the findings here of your full investigation into the matter, at least share all the notes you lent the police department and the Buffalo Bills when you assisted on the full investigation on this matter.
3. Finally, kindly post the full timeline of all the events as they unfolded that you were able to corroborate as facts through your numerous eyewitness interviews and full investigation into the case.

Because until you do that...you don't know jack **** about what happened.  You read a story on the internet that doesn't have a fraction of all the facts involved with this situation and decided to judge everyone who didn't do join in on your tantrum to point fingers and say guilty before you had enough information to even form that opinion.  

 

And seriously, its not only childish, but totally ignorant and unacceptable for you to come on here and tell people who are willing to WAIT UNTIL ALL THE INFORMATION IS KNOWN before condemning someone that we don't have women in our lives we give a **** about.  I assure you I love my wife as much or more than anyone on here I would end someones life if they even attempted to harm her.  But I am also not ignorant and don't decide someone else is a monster before I know the actual substance and facts of a case.  

 

So respectfully...shut up with the character attacks on the fan base choosing to hear more info before forming an opinion.  You don't know any of us or our character.  And in this country, despite the internet keyboard culture we live in, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  And right now, he doesn't even have chargers against him let alone been proven to a willing participant in a gang rape.  

 

It's stances like yours that have led to this out of control cancel culture that is out of control.