Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

If the Bills cut Araiza tonight, would anyone lose any sleep over this? 

[iccrewman112]

Just now, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

If the Bills cut Araiza tonight, would anyone lose any sleep over this? 

Nope.

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Well, in other news, Aaron Donald went all Myles Garret, double fisting helmets on some Bengal players today.... So maybe the Araiza news takes a backseat for a little bit. 

that was yesterday.  And he’s not getting suspended.

[The Red King]

Just now, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

If the Bills cut Araiza tonight, would anyone lose any sleep over this? 

 

Araiza?

 

Again, we're just cutting someone before the facts come out?  It's that easy?

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

That was a highly dishonest summary of the post you replied to.  

No. What’s highly dishonest is people trying to pretend that Araiza is the victim of a shakedown. The mental gymnastics involved are ridiculous. 

[sven233]

I mentioned this last night, but admitted that maybe I just hadn't see everything out there yet.  However, it's the next day and not a whole lot new has been reported.  Can someone let me know why there seems to be 100% focus on Ariaza and none on the other players involved?  It just seems like the lawyer is throwing anything and everything at 1 guy while the others are hardly mentioned to this point.  Just odd, that's all.

Edited August 26, 2022 by sven233

[zow2]

The hyperbole is beyond over the top.  People and media acting as if this will submarine the Bills special season.  Stop.  A punter isn’t the reason the season will go great or awful.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

So you're advocating for extra judicial measures here?

I’m not even sure where you’re trying to go here. You said we have a “system of justice”, but the statistics show literally less than 1% of rapists are found guilty of their crime in criminal court, so how is that “justice”?
 

I’m saying it’s not an accurate gauge of what did or didn’t transpire.  Ben never found guilty in criminal court, he was still punished (slapped on the wrist) by the league.  I’m advocating the Buffalo Bills don’t line this dbags pockets, period. 
 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, The Red King said:

 

Araiza?

 

Again, we're just cutting someone before the facts come out?  It's that easy?

 

yea... if hes innocent, he can possibly punt somewhere else someday.  But at this point, its a distraction.  

[Jauronimo]

Just now, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

If the Bills cut Araiza tonight, would anyone lose any sleep over this? 

I won't be losing sleep over it regardless.  With the assistance of alcohol I will be sleeping like a big boozy baby.

 

I will not be impressed if the organization cuts ties with him and hindsight later proves the motivations were purely rooted in public perception.  If the Bills or NFL conducts a process and the findings of such result in Araiza being cut or kept, I will be satisfied.  I think the team's recent track record has been solid.  

[Yobogoya!]

3 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

If the Bills cut Araiza tonight, would anyone lose any sleep over this? 

 

I guess I'd lose as much as I would if BIGFOOTspaceman was accused of a heinous, violent crime and lost his job and reputation near instantly. 

 

That is to say, it wouldn't affect me personally but I do in fact dislike the current mob mentality / twitter witch trial environment we live in and don't agree with it. 

[appoo]

This is getting absurd. 
 

Put him on administrative leave so he freely handle his legal matters. He gets paid, the bills are supporting an alleged victim, and they can decide to keep him or not after the DA produces charges and evidence 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

1 minute ago, The Red King said:

 

Araiza?

 

Again, we're just cutting someone before the facts come out?  It's that easy?

I mean, there's so many nuances here... Did he do it, not do it, why is there no criminal charges, nut ball lawyers, STDs, sex outside with Araiza, sex inside with a group.... At the end of the day the Bills have to be concerned with there image and there was so much to learn from the Watson ordeal. 

[MasterStrategist]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Araiza’s lawyer when asked yesterday if charges are coming said 1 of the accused is in a different situation then Araiza. He said he’s confident Araiza won’t be charged.

 

I’m wondering if that person is the one that will eventually be charged. The best thing for Araiza is that charges are handed out to the other players. Many believe something happened, so if evidence points to the other players I think fans and media will move on.

 

 

Your last sentence, that's a systemic societal problem.  People need to be capable of waiting for all the info to be released, and realize there are multiple sides to this story....so stop rushing to judgment!  It's OK not to feel like you have to immediately put your opinion out there....

 

Even here, likely going to be alot of ppl back tracking (one way or the other), if they are trying to solve this case & decide what the Bills should do, from behind their keyboard.

[appoo]

1 minute ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I guess I'd lose as much as I would if BIGFOOTspaceman was accused of a heinous, violent crime and lost his job and reputation near instantly. 

 

That is to say, it wouldn't affect me personally but I do in fact dislike the current mob mentality / twitter witch trial environment we live in and don't agree with it. 

If it turns out he’s innocent he can go sign for the Pats and celebrate every pinned punt he puts on the Bills like he won a SB.

[The Red King]

4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

No. What’s highly dishonest is people trying to pretend that Araiza is the victim of a shakedown. The mental gymnastics involved are ridiculous. 

 

Did anybody say they did?  Or did they, because the facts are not out yet, say it was a possibility.  I know you've already passed judgement, but the rest of us want to see actual facts before rendering judgement one way or the other.  Wild, I know.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

This is getting absurd. 
 

Put him on administrative leave so he freely handle his legal matters. He gets paid, the bills are supporting an alleged victim, and they can decide to keep him or not after the DA produces charges and evidence 

thats my thoughts as well...put him on the commissioners reserve list till this plays out...why is that so hard?

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

This is getting absurd. 
 

Put him on administrative leave so he freely handle his legal matters. He gets paid, the bills are supporting an alleged victim, and they can decide to keep him or not after the DA produces charges and evidence 

I'm actually dumbfounded as to why the Bills do not take this route. 

 

Just don't punt tonight and grab a serviceable punter... Let Bass punt

[stevestojan]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

The hyperbole is beyond over the top.  People and media acting as if this will submarine the Bills special season.  Stop.  A punter isn’t the reason the season will go great or awful.

It’s not the position. It’s the fact that if today, right now, you google “Buffalo bills” you get the words “gang rape” in the top 3 results. 
 

Innocent until proven guilty applies to a court of law. This is an enormous distraction, and to your own point he’s a ***** punter. 
 

He was 21, has sex with a 17 year old. That is admitted fact. Whether he knew she was 17 or thought she was 18 is irrelevant. Will it suck for him if he’s 100% innocent? Yep. But another team can then sign him and his wonderful comeback story can play out somewhere else.
 

But the only move right now is to cut him. 

[BullBuchanan]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

No, it sounds like she was likely raped. Not sure that’s really in dispute. What we don’t know is if araiza was one who raped her or was involved in the act in some way. 

You wouldn't know it if all you did was read this thread.

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

If it turns out he’s innocent he can go sign for the Pats and celebrate every pinned punt he puts on the Bills like he won a SB.

 

Here's the issue with just outright releasing him right now. If he turns out to be innocent it hurts accusers in the future.  It gives the idiots who victim blame more ammo to be degenerates. Then the next time something like this happens they go remember that punter who got cut he was innocent.blah blah blah.  Just keep him inactive until this is settled by the DA and civil courts. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So we can all be as enraged as you are about his undeniable guilt...do us a favor...

1. Post the list of the eyewitnesses you interviewed please so we can get as in the know as you are on this case.
2. Release the findings here of your full investigation into the matter, at least share all the notes you lent the police department and the Buffalo Bills when you assisted on the full investigation on this matter.
3. Finally, kindly post the full timeline of all the events as they unfolded that you were able to corroborate as facts through your numerous eyewitness interviews and full investigation into the case.

Because until you do that...you don't know jack **** about what happened.  You read a story on the internet that doesn't have a fraction of all the facts involved with this situation and decided to judge everyone who didn't do join in on your tantrum to point fingers and say guilty before you had enough information to even form that opinion.  

 

And seriously, its not only childish, but totally ignorant and unacceptable for you to come on here and tell people who are willing to WAIT UNTIL ALL THE INFORMATION IS KNOWN before condemning someone that we don't have women in our lives we give a **** about.  I assure you I love my wife as much or more than anyone on here I would end someones life if they even attempted to harm her.  But I am also not ignorant and don't decide someone else is a monster before I know the actual substance and facts of a case.  

 

So respectfully...shut up with the character attacks on the fan base choosing to hear more info before forming an opinion.  You don't know any of us or our character.  And in this country, despite the internet keyboard culture we live in, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  And right now, he doesn't even have chargers against him let alone been proven to a willing participant in a gang rape.  

 

It's stances like yours that have led to this out of control cancel culture that is out of control.  

No it’s stances like yours that lead to victim shaming/blaming. You’re completely out of pocket here.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/
 

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT get convicted…

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

Your last sentence, that's a systemic societal problem.  People need to be capable of waiting for all the info to be released, and realize there are multiple sides to this story....so stop rushing to judgment!  It's OK not to feel like you have to immediately put your opinion out there....

 

Even here, likely going to be alot of ppl back tracking (one way or the other), if they are trying to solve this case & decide what the Bills should do, from behind their keyboard.

It’s reality. Public relations has been a billion dollar industry since before social media. It’s even more important now. The Buffalo Bills have to answer tough questions and it’s a PR nightmare. 
 

 

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

No. What’s highly dishonest is people trying to pretend that Araiza is the victim of a shakedown. The mental gymnastics involved are ridiculous. 

 

No one is pretending anything, but you do realize its plausible there was first a consensual encounter with Araiza earlier in the night and then an assault by different people later in the night right?

 

Are you aware there are many eyewitness testimonies, including her own friend with her at the party, that have supposedly stated Matt was not even at the house at the time of the assault?  Are you aware in her own journal written the day after the attack and the days following, all released by her own attorney, she repeatedly states she had no idea who was actually in the room assaulting her?  Are you aware that Matt, an alleged gang raper, reached out to her about getting tested for an STD?  What person rapes someone then cares enough to tell them to got get tested for an STD that is both easy to treat and discover?  Are you aware that the Bills have done their own deep dive into this investigation and still felt good enough to stick by a guy who is just a punter, just a rookie, and just a 6th round pick making him easily cuttable?  

 

So, its quite a gross exaggeration to sit here and refer to it as "mental gymnastics" to see it as currently inconclusive on whether he is guilty of gang raping her.  As far as her motives, I think its clear she was attacked.  But its also clear she has no memory of who actually attacked her, again he own words in her own hand writing from her own attorney.  

 

She clearly had an encounter with Matt earlier in the night, both sides seem to agree on that.  But maybe she is assuming Matt is involved because she can't remember much after him?  Maybe she is like **** Matt for having a one night stand and lumped him because she knows he is the only one she can get money out of given his stature in the NFL? 

 

There is no mental gymnastics, its all quite plausible she was both attacked and had a separate encounter with Matt.  And is either intentionally blurring them so she can get money from Matt, or blurring them because she is making assumptions due to the fact she really can't remember enough.  He also might just be guilty of the rape...point is, there are a lot of plausible scenarios here that don't take a lot of mental gymnastics to get on both sides of his guilt or innocence.  

Edited August 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I'm actually dumbfounded as to why the Bills do not take this route. 

 

Just don't punt tonight and grab a serviceable punter... Let Bass punt

 

I believe the are required by league rules to dress a punter. 

If they can help it he won't punt. I am guessing Barkley/Keenum will be holding as well. 

[BarleyNY]

Just now, The Red King said:

 

Did anybody say they did?  Or did they, because the facts are not out yet, say it was a possibility.  I know you've already passed judgement, but the rest of us want to see actual facts before rendering judgement one way or the other.  Wild, I know.

Let’s start here. You don’t need to have passed judgement to understand how illogical thinking this is a shakedown is. He was a 21 year old college punter on SDSU and he was accused of rape the day after he had sex with a 17 year old. 

[appoo]

Our Justice system is not built for sexual crimes - mostly because when the system was set up there was no such things as sexual crimes.

 

To simply say “innocent until proven guilty” in this specific situation is also to agree that “accuser is lying until proven to be honest”, and that’s a BS stance. 
 

We have more reason to believe the accuser than we do the accused in this case, based on what we know. That should be enough. 
 

 But regardless, in cases involving sexual crimes, one can not hide behind “Innocent until proven guilty”

[The Red King]

5 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I mean, there's so many nuances here... Did he do it, not do it, why is there no criminal charges, nut ball lawyers, STDs, sex outside with Araiza, sex inside with a group.... At the end of the day the Bills have to be concerned with there image and there was so much to learn from the Watson ordeal. 

 

By that argument we should have cut Von Miller for his supposed legal troubles earlier this year, before, you know, the charges and implications were all dropped.  Too many knee-jerk reactions here.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

3 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

 right now, you google “Buffalo bills” you get the words “gang rape” in the top 3 results. 
 

This right here.... This has got to be weighing on Beane and the Pegula's

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

thats my thoughts as well...put him on the commissioners reserve list till this plays out...why is that so hard?

 

Evidently not an option.  The incident happened before he signed an NFL contract.

I have already replied to this by saying the rule should be re-evaluated.  But that is another story.

[gobills404]

20 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I did before I typed that post.  Sticking by my opinion. 

So you think posting peoples email addresses, phone numbers, personal diary entries, as well as following and interacting with pornstars is acceptable/professional behavior? Lmao

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Here's the issue with just outright releasing him right now. If he turns out to be innocent it hurts accusers in the future.  It gives the idiots who victim blame more ammo to be degenerates. Then the next time something like this happens they go remember that punter who got cut he was innocent.blah blah blah.  Just keep him inactive until this is settled by the DA and civil courts. 

I’m fine with that to. Just keep this guy off the field 

[The Red King]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Let’s start here. You don’t need to have passed judgement to understand how illogical thinking this is a shakedown is. He was a 21 year old college punter on SDSU and he was accused of rape the day after he had sex with a 17 year old. 

 

Again, thinking there could be the *possibility* of it happening.  What color is the sky in your world?  Because here on planet Earth this stuff does happen.  And since you seem to be speed reading I will again use the word "P O S S I B I L I T Y".

[plenzmd1]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I believe the are required by league rules to dress a punter. 

If they can help it he won't punt. I am guessing Barkley/Keenum will be holding as well. 

really? League rule have to dress a punter? Never heard of that. 

[par73]

1 minute ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I mean, there's so many nuances here... Did he do it, not do it, why is there no criminal charges, nut ball lawyers, STDs, sex outside with Araiza, sex inside with a group.... At the end of the day the Bills have to be concerned with there image and there was so much to learn from the Watson ordeal. 

Really need to hear from the Bills on this matter. So many questions only they can answer as to how they have handled things to this point.

[BarleyNY]

Just now, The Red King said:

 

Again, thinking there could be the *possibility* of it happening.  What color is the sky in your world?  Because here on planet Earth this stuff does happen.  And since you seem to be speed reading I will again use the word "P O S S I B I L I T Y".

FFS. That’s ridiculous. 

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

So you think posting peoples email addresses, phone numbers, personal diary entries, as well as following and interacting with pornstars is acceptable/professional behavior? Lmao

Yup.  And this is my profession.  What’s yours?

[Mango]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

I’m fine with that to. Just keep this guy off the field 

 

I am not fine with that for a bunch of reasons. But from a pure football perspective, that means we keep 3 kickers. We have 100 pages on ST'ers vs. Hodgins, Blackshear, etc. Now we are going to lose one so we can keep an extra punter because our guy may or may not have been involved in raping a girl. 

Eff that. Cut bait and move on.

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Evidently not an option.  The incident happened before he signed an NFL contract.

I have already replied to this by saying the rule should be re-evaluated.  But that is another story.

so if he was accused of this while on a roster, he could go on the reserve list? Did not now that. I understand they cannot punish him as it was before his time in the NFL, was not aware of the inability to reserve list him

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, par73 said:

Really need to hear from the Bills on this matter. So many questions only they can answer as to how they have handled things to this point.

They can’t really say much right now. That statement is probably all we will hear until they cut him, or the case is resolved