BillsPride12 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 This situation just makes me thankful we should have a much better pass rush this seasonĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Is this a bad thing or a good thing? I mean unless Benford is playing bad then I consider this a very good thing. Ā If I had to apportion reasons I think it is maybe 20% Elam not quite being where they hoped he would at this stage and 80% Benford just being excellent. Started camp with the 3s. Was with the 1s inside 2 weeks. That isn't just spin and hype. That is the reality. He earned that time on the field.Ā 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I heard this at a wedding a week ago 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I think of it as a win. If elam fails, we'll at least have gotten one CB out of itĀ Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I'm not looking at which of the 2 rookies is better, I am looking at it as is one or both of them better than Wallace was? Can either of them fill in until Tre returns? If so, then we improved. That is all I am looking for. Doesn't matter where they were drafted to me. Did we get better as a team? I liked Wallace, but, we needed just a little more than he could physically do. Heaven forbid, we got two CB'S out of this draft. Oh, the agony. š 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: maybe we drafted the wrong Elamā¦ Ā Ā Ā Now that was a guy that could look off a Safety. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 hours ago, hemma said: I wonder who gets Kupp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Big Turk said: I mean this team simply can coach up DB's like no other...maybe New England who always seems to get similar results even from low drafted or undrafted players like JC Jackson and Malcolm Butler. McD and Frazier are DB Whisperers. Ā I don't want to see Tre until the trainers are doubly and triply sure there won't be even a 1% extra risk of him playing that he could re-injure himself. Ā I want to see tre at a normal recovery point as every game is crucial and he keeps donāt need to baby him over a common injuryĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, hemma said: I wonder who gets Kupp. Ā It's me. I got a really good technique, anytime he tries to get past me I just punch him straight in the groin.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Is this a bad thing or a good thing? I mean unless Benford is playing bad then I consider this a very good thing. Ā It's a good problem to have, but it is also bad in that you might have to make an extra roster spot then on the 53 if Benford is that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 You guys are hilarious. Seriously, the pre season over thinking here gets out of control Ā Elam will 100% start opposite Dane, and when Trey comes back he will be CB#2 sooner rather than later. Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 If true, itās a GREAT problem to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) I really hope Benford doesn't end up being such a steal he makes our #1 look bad. That would be awful. We really have some first world football problems around here.Ā Ā Ā Edited August 19, 2022 by KzooMike 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Ā It's me. I got a really good technique, anytime he tries to get past me I just punch him straight in the groin.Ā Careful, he probably wears a kupp. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Ā If I had to apportion reasons I think it is maybe 20% Elam not quite being where they hoped he would at this stage and 80% Benford just being excellent. Started camp with the 3s. Was with the 1s inside 2 weeks. That isn't just spin and hype. That is the reality. He earned that time on the field.Ā Did you have an opinion on Benford coming out of this draft? Or is he an ultimate surprise? Personally, I knew nothing about him.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 I don't see a problem here either, don't care which one outperforms the other if they both are looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: I want to see tre at a normal recovery point as every game is crucial and he keeps donāt need to baby him over a common injuryĀ Ā Common and also at high risk of reinjury if rushed back. Ā I'll wait an extra game or two rather than lose him for another 9 months when he has to have the same ACL repaired again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I really hope Benford doesn't end up being such a steal he makes our #1 look bad. That would be awful. We really have some first world football problems around here.Ā Ā Ā Canāt disagree more. If Benford becomes a first ballot HOFer, thatās no reflection on Elam, Beane, our scouts or anyone else.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, FireChans said: Tre White is hurt lmao What do you not understand? Ā Starting corners without Tre: Dane Jackson and one of Elam OR Benford. Elam AND Benford will likely not both be starting. Dane Jackson will be one of the starting corners. Edited August 19, 2022 by MJS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: Canāt disagree more. If Benford becomes a first ballot HOFer, thatās no reflection on Elam, Beane, our scouts or anyone else.Ā What are we even talking about? This is like the debates I had with my X. It's no reflection on Elam, minimal on anyone really, as that spot really doesn't hit very often. If he ends up being good Beane and scouting department should get some credit, no? I mean he's from Villanova. It's not like this is the first or even second or even third time we have found a very good player late. In any event,Ā I could care less who becomes "the man". I just want one of them to be good, preferably both.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, KzooMike said: What are we even talking about? This is like the debates I had with my X. It's no reflection on Elam, minimal on anyone really, as that spot really doesn't hit very often. If he ends up being good Beane and scouting department should get some credit, no? I mean he's from Villanova. It's not like this is the first or even second or even third time we have found a very good player late. In any event,Ā I could care less who becomes "the man". I just want one of them to be good, preferably both.Ā I thought we were talking how you hoped Benford wouldnāt be so good that that it made Elam look bad as you implied in the post I replied to. If this post, which I agree with BTW, Ā is offered as clarification on your earlier post, then I thank you for clearing it up.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Ā A ton of what? Certainly not draft capital. They have only spent two picks in the first 3 rounds on DBs since McDermott arrived (although they were both 1st rounders). Compare that to the investment on the defensive line. And while they have paid White, Poyer and Hyde only White is getting close to top of the market money. Poyer and Hyde were mid level FA acquisitions.Ā Ā I agree on missing first rounders btw, never a good thing. Elam played pretty well last weekend I don't think from what I have seen it is a case of him flopping so much as Benford has really shone. I thought he was the Bills best player in game 1. If we get towards the business end of the season and Elam can't get on the field over a 6th rounder and former 7th rounder that will be grounds to worry. Ā 2 first round picks in 6 drafts is a lot of draft capital, particularly when their WR depth is as poor as it is. Ā As are the UFA/re-signing contracts for 2 safeties and a nickel CB. Ā At some point, the defensive investment needs to pay dividends and, considering the original point of this thread, that should be this season. Ā Ā Ā 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Didnt we have a coach that once said "you can have enough corners"? Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, K-9 said: I thought we were talking how you hoped Benford wouldnāt be so good that that it made Elam look bad as you implied in the post I replied to. If this post, which I agree with BTW, Ā is offered as clarification on your earlier post, then I thank you for clearing it up.Ā Ya, I was just being a smart ass in the other one. I didn't understand why so many seemed negative that we might have landed a steal. I want Elam to be good as well, but when the dust settles it means little as far as draft order. I'll take the cumulative results.Ā We are on the same page.Ā Edited August 19, 2022 by KzooMike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Perhaps this persons source was correct:Ā https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/241209-bills-disappointed-in-elams-potential-to-contribute-this-year-unfounded-internet-rumor/ Ā 11 hours ago, HOUSE said: Ok, so we drafted Benford in the 1st and Elam in the 6th Ā Are you happy now ? Ā This helped me. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 11 hours ago, hemma said: I wonder who gets Kupp. Edmunds he is know for his superb coverage skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 if both are playing at a high rookie level this is a good problem! Ā Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 45 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: if both are playing at a high rookie level this is a good problem! Ā Ā In high level meetingsĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, MJS said: What do you not understand? Ā Starting corners without Tre: Dane Jackson and one of Elam OR Benford. Elam AND Benford will likely not both be starting. Dane Jackson will be one of the starting corners. Right so Dane being ahead of both of them doesn't really matter because one of them is going to have to start lol Edited August 19, 2022 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Right so Dane being ahead of both of them doesn't really matter because one of them is going to have to start lol You stated we need 3 starting outside corners, insinuating that BOTH Elam and Benford would be starting with Dane. Ā Of course one of them will be starting. But likely not both, which is what you originally claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, artmalibu said: Didnt we have a coach that once said "you can have enough corners"? Ā Ā Ā Ā I thought it was "if you have 2 quarterbacks you don't have any." Ā No?Ā Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, MJS said: You stated we need 3 starting outside corners, insinuating that BOTH Elam and Benford would be starting with Dane. Ā Of course one of them will be starting. But likely not both, which is what you originally claimed. I did not. Ā You stated they were "both behind Jackson anyway."Ā But of course, that means one of them will start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 The season can't get here soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Maynard said: Did you have an opinion on Benford coming out of this draft? Or is he an ultimate surprise? Personally, I knew nothing about him.Ā Ā No hadn't watched him at all. 3 hours ago, BillsVet said: Ā 2 first round picks in 6 drafts is a lot of draft capital, particularly when their WR depth is as poor as it is. Ā As are the UFA/re-signing contracts for 2 safeties and a nickel CB. Ā At some point, the defensive investment needs to pay dividends and, considering the original point of this thread, that should be this season. Ā Ā Ā Ā It really isn't when the next best pick they have spent there in those 6 drafts is a 4th rounder.Ā Ā Over investment in DEFENSE fair enough. Over investment in SECONDARY? Nah. And the investments they have made have paid divideneds. Where they have over invested without the return is 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a third on the Dline plus big FA deals for Star, Addison, Butler, Murphy and now Von.Ā Ā Edit: just by way of comparison the last three Superbowl Champs in the same period - Ā Rams - three day 2 picks spent on DBs plus two 1st rounders traded away for Jalen Ramsey and one 2nd rounder for Marcus Peters.Ā Ā Bucaneers - no 1st rounders but SIX day two picks on DBs in the same period. Ā Chiefs - one 1st rounder, two day 2 picks, a big FA deal for Tyrann Mathieu and now a slightly smaller FA deal for Justin Reid that still outstrips what the Bills have paid either of their safeties in AAV.Ā Ā Ā Think it is hard to look at that and argue the Bills have ploughed lots of resources into their secondary relative to other successful teams. The argument doesn't hold water. Ā Edited August 19, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 hours ago, artmalibu said: Didnt we have a coach that once said "you can have enough corners"? Ā Ā Ā Ā are you quoting this guy?? Ā Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 My hat, itĀ had three corners Three corners hadĀ my hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Ideally White and Jackson are the CBs in 2022 and play the majority of snaps. Benford is a nice story and can fill in for spot duty. Benford also has shown press man power disrupting the WR release in a way White or Jackson lack. Ā Ā Elam has all the physical metrics and football intelligence from SEC competition. What he doesnāt have is experience of going against NFL offenses. Elam was projected as an eventual NFL starter. So there will be a ramp period but inevitably his ceiling is higher than Benfordās at CB. Ā Benford is a good physical corner, who projects as a scheme fit corner. His measured athleticism speaks to a boundary corner zone scheme or press man with safety help over the top. Benford is better matchup against bigger NFL WRs with his press capability. Benford could also take on TEs like Kelce at the line. Benford is never going to be able to play nickel corner on a shifty slot WR who can separate.Ā Ā Both rookies have never seen the grind of a 17 game NFL season. Injuries minor bumps accumulate and speed and agility will wane as the season grinds on. Ā Benford lacks the pure athleticism needed to cover #1 NFL WRs in a man scheme zero coverage. He is not as fast nor agile as White or Elam. Ā Long term Benford projects well amazingly well as a safety. If the Bills goal is to replace Poyer in 2023, perhaps Benford is plugged into his spot. Ā Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) I don't care who starts.Ā Ā I'm happy we have two young promising corners. ( This is we call a good problem) Ā As we know injuries happen.Ā Ā I trust whoever the staff selects as the starter. Edited August 19, 2022 by BBills_88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBillsFan Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 It is a good problem to have!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Think it is hard to look at that and argue the Bills have ploughed lots of resources into their secondary relative to other successful teams. The argument doesn't hold water. That's part of the problem on a message board or in the media.. nobody wants to dive into the detail. Everything is very surface level and lack critical thinking.Ā Ā They want to look at teams individually and view success as binary: Win = Successful and Lose = Bad. Ā When in reality each decision is so much more nuanced, is dependent on so many factors and can really only be considered good or bad by comparison to similar decisions.Ā Edited August 19, 2022 by JGMcD2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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