Malik Willis is going to be a problem

[PrimeTime101]

Tyrod 2.0

[unbillievable]

I love that every team is looking for the "next Josh Allen".

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

Lot of unwarranted hype over guys like Willis, Lance, etc especially when you see the JA17 comparisons.

 

I still don't see him starting this year though unless Tannenhill truly struggles and/or the Titans get off to a bad start record wise. Could see a similar situation playing out like the 2018 Ravens when Lamar Jackson replaced a declining Flacco and led them to the playoffs down the stretch.

 

 

[CSBill]

I saw a lot of him in college, he is raw. Has athleticism, but much room to grow as a passer and decision maker. Maybe in time? But his potential does not scare me. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Tyrod 2.0

Willis looked awfully heavy to me

[John from Riverside]

Hope he has a great career.....as long as its not against us

[LeGOATski]

Watched the replay of the game this morning. Willis looked horrible. Late on his reads, no rhythm, bailing out of the pocket too early, inaccurate.... tons of room to grow, for sure. Not sure Vrabel and Co. are the right group to get a franchise QB out of him.

[Sierra Foothills]

10 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

I don’t know if Willis has what it takes to be a great NFL QB, but I’m not convinced anyone will develop into one with Vrabel as head coach. Vrabel doesn’t seem to have the temperament of a great NFL coach. 

 

To the bolded above, most close NFL observers think very highly of Vrabel. If Vrabel is unsuccessful in grooming Willis it won't have to do with Vrabel's "temperament." It'll probably have more to do with Todd Downing and Tim Kelly.... those in charge of the offensive Xs and Os.

 

10 hours ago, Utah John said:

 

I'm wondering if he's going to be a bigger problem for the Titans than for the rest of the league.  Flashes like these highlights coupled with poor performance in other plays will just tear the fan base and possibly the team apart.  Many of the fans will cling to Tannahill, and there's nothing like a QB controversy to wreck a team's season.

 

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah.  Pre-season hype builds the backup QB to megastar levels and the boo-birds come out when Tannehill struggles this year without AJ Brown.

 

Vrabel said he pulled Willis because he wouldn't throw the football to open receivers. I highly doubt Vrabel is going to abet a QB controversy when he's doing everything he can to tamp one down.

 

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The only time you should throw the ball if is the WR is wide, wide, wide open.

 

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Ball protection.  It's underrated.

 

 

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It's the key to winning.

 

So having a QB who "plays it safe" is the key to winning? Highly disagree. The great QBs understand risk : reward and make good decisions in those contexts... in other words they take chances. Also great QBs throw receivers open. Also great QBs are accurate enough to complete passes in tightly-contested situations.

 

Playing it safe doesn't work for an NFL QB. If it were that simple... 

 

9 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Don't forget Jake Locker.  Another super athletic QB that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

 

Time has muddled your memory... Jay Clocker is his name.

 

7 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Daboll passed on the poor man’s Josh three straight rounds. Amazing. 

 

Daboll was hired largely to save the Giants investment in Daniel Jones (6th overall in 2019) by developing his talents.

 

He was not hired to undermine Jones.

 

If Jones flops this year, then the Giants move on next year.

[MJS]

So he had an ok preseason game. I'm shuddering in fear over here!

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Vrabel said he pulled Willis because he wouldn't throw the football to open receivers. I highly doubt Vrabel is going to abet a QB controversy when he's doing everything he can to tamp one down.

 

Sure he doesn't want to start one.  But it depends on how Tannehill looks.  No doubt the fans are starting to get restless and Henry won't be a workhorse all that much longer.

[wppete]

Backup at best. Below average QB

[BigDingus]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 
“best QB on the roster”, Sean McD 2018

 

Sadly, it was things like this that made me doubt if McDermott's regime could successfully identify or develop any QB, Josh included.

 

Thank sweet baby Jesus Josh's own determination & work ethic overcame the odds 😅

[without a drought]

Good thing they don't have Julio Jones too or it would be game over for the rest of the league. 

[NickelCity]

I was pretty underwhelmed by Willis, Lance and Love. Each had a highlight play (one long ball a piece I believe), but otherwise it looked uninspired.

 

I don't know if this is due to it just being preseason (and game one at that) or bring spoiled by Allen. Probably both, as well as the off-season being peak "highlight" season without watching all the incompletions...

[Rick 'r Mortis]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

To the bolded above, most close NFL observers think very highly of Vrabel. If Vrabel is unsuccessful in grooming Willis it won't have to do with Vrabel's "temperament." It'll probably have more to do with Todd Downing and Tim Kelly.... those in charge of the offensive Xs and Os.

 

 

 

Vrabel said he pulled Willis because he wouldn't throw the football to open receivers. I highly doubt Vrabel is going to abet a QB controversy when he's doing everything he can to tamp one down.

 

 

 

 

So having a QB who "plays it safe" is the key to winning? Highly disagree. The great QBs understand risk : reward and make good decisions in those contexts... in other words they take chances. Also great QBs throw receivers open. Also great QBs are accurate enough to complete passes in tightly-contested situations.

 

Playing it safe doesn't work for an NFL QB. If it were that simple... 

 

 

Time has muddled your memory... Jay Clocker is his name.

 

 

Daboll was hired largely to save the Giants investment in Daniel Jones (6th overall in 2019) by developing his talents.

 

He was not hired to undermine Jones.

 

If Jones flops this year, then the Giants move on next year.

Quotes for days!

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

To the bolded above, most close NFL observers think very highly of Vrabel. If Vrabel is unsuccessful in grooming Willis it won't have to do with Vrabel's "temperament." It'll probably have more to do with Todd Downing and Tim Kelly.... those in charge of the offensive Xs and Os.

 

 

 

Vrabel said he pulled Willis because he wouldn't throw the football to open receivers. I highly doubt Vrabel is going to abet a QB controversy when he's doing everything he can to tamp one down.

 

 

 

 

So having a QB who "plays it safe" is the key to winning? Highly disagree. The great QBs understand risk : reward and make good decisions in those contexts... in other words they take chances. Also great QBs throw receivers open. Also great QBs are accurate enough to complete passes in tightly-contested situations.

 

Playing it safe doesn't work for an NFL QB. If it were that simple... 

 

 

Time has muddled your memory... Jay Clocker is his name.

 

 

Daboll was hired largely to save the Giants investment in Daniel Jones (6th overall in 2019) by developing his talents.

 

He was not hired to undermine Jones.

 

If Jones flops this year, then the Giants move on next year.

 

On one hand, Vrabel's temperament can't be all wrong, seeing as his team consistently overachieves for 17 games each season. Then again, their criminal mishandling of A.J. Brown's entire career to date tugs us in a slightly different direction, especially in light of playoff results.

 

I'm reminded of hard-ass defensive-minded HCs who did a poor job of supporting their young QBs...Mike Singletary and Brian Flores, for example. Lots of benchings and public criticisms. Maybe Jeff Fisher (benching Jared Goff) compared with Sean McVay (making him an effective pre-snap marionette). Giving your young QB some ***** slack seems really effing important these days.   

[Bookie Man]

If he can learn to read defenses more quickly. He seemed to lock on to his first read, then jump to his second, then take off. 

 

I think he will adjust, seems like a smart guy. Yeah, next year or so, he's could very well be a big problem. 

[Sierra Foothills]

6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

On one hand, Vrabel's temperament can't be all wrong, seeing as his team consistently overachieves for 17 games each season. Then again, their criminal mishandling of A.J. Brown's entire career to date tugs us in a slightly different direction, especially in light of playoff results.

 

I'm reminded of hard-ass defensive-minded HCs who did a poor job of supporting their young QBs...Mike Singletary and Brian Flores, for example. Lots of benchings and public criticisms. Maybe Jeff Fisher (benching Jared Goff) compared with Sean McVay (making him an effective pre-snap marionette). Giving your young QB some ***** slack seems really effing important these days.   

 

They drafted A.J. Brown in the second round and made him one of the most feared receivers in football despite him being somewhat injury-prone and playing on a run-first team.

 

And virtually the only meaningful success in Tannehill's career has come in his 3 seasons under Vrabel.

 

I don't know if Vrabel's capable of being a QB and passer-friendly head coach but I think it's too early to say that he can't.

[H2o]

Willis has talent, but I am not sure he ends up being anything more than the next Tyrod Taylor. Honestly, that's exactly who he reminds me of. He throws a decent ball outside of the hashes, but struggles a lot over the middle of the field and with reading defenses. I'm not sure if he has trouble seeing his guys, or if he doesn't process quickly enough, or if he doesn't understand timing routes, or if he doesn't trust his arm to throw the ball to an opening to let the receiver go get it. You saw it at Liberty as well. 

[McBean]

Lmaoooooooo

[Kmart128]

Watched him play against Syracuse twice... and i was never impressed. I kept a close eye on him cause they said he is a darkhorse for best player in the country and he was no where close to that. I think he threw for 190 and 200 in his games against us...

[NewEra]

20 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

So another Lamar Jackson? or Michael Vick? or Tyrod Taylor? until these uber athletic QBs can learn to consistently pass then they're all the same. 

Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson are the same.  
 

got it

[Doc]

7 hours ago, NickelCity said:

I was pretty underwhelmed by Willis, Lance and Love. Each had a highlight play (one long ball a piece I believe), but otherwise it looked uninspired.

 

I don't know if this is due to it just being preseason (and game one at that) or bring spoiled by Allen. Probably both, as well as the off-season being peak "highlight" season without watching all the incompletions...

 

You're being generous with Love.  He had 3 INTs against scrubs. 

[PetermansRedemption]

He was my top QB in this draft, but it was a very bad year for QBs. 10 times out of 10 id rather have Willis in the 3rd round vs wasting a 1st rounder on Pickett. 

[bills6969]

1 hour ago, Kmart128 said:

Watched him play against Syracuse twice... and i was never impressed. I kept a close eye on him cause they said he is a darkhorse for best player in the country and he was no where close to that. I think he threw for 190 and 200 in his games against us...

I watched his game last year against Cuse and thought he looked really good.  He’s big,  can move and throws on the money.  Problem is he was on Liberty and had very little talent around him.

[eball]

We’re six pages in…have we figured out whether Malik is going to be a big problem or a small problem?

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Tyrod Taylor and Lamar Jackson are the same.  
 

got it

Since his first year as a full starter, LJ has gotten demonstrably less effective. We saw the same thing with Tyrod.

 

You can blame Roman or the WR’s but it’s still a fact. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Since his first year as a full starter, LJ has gotten demonstrably less effective. We saw the same thing with Tyrod.

 

You can blame Roman or the WR’s but it’s still a fact. 

Like I said…..LJ and TT are the same…..

 

got it

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Like I said…..LJ and TT are the same…..

 

got it

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackLa00/gamelog/2021/

[Doc]

1 hour ago, bills6969 said:

I watched his game last year against Cuse and thought he looked really good.  He’s big,  can move and throws on the money.  Problem is he was on Liberty and had very little talent around him.

 

He's 6'1" and 215#.  Not big by NFL standards at all.

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackLa00/gamelog/2021/

You think Lamar Jackson and Tyrod Taylor are the same.  
 

got it

[Yard Monkey]

A problem? Guess Tanny’s patented mentorship program is really paying off

Edited August 13, 2022 by Yard Monkey

[CapeBreton]

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

You think Lamar Jackson and Tyrod Taylor are the same.  
 

got it

No Lamar is clearly a better QB, but are they extremely similar? Yes.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No Lamar is clearly a better QB, but are they extremely similar? Yes.

Sure thing.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Sure thing.

Look at the stats my dude. Look at the WR production. 
 

they even both had WRs want to bounce on them lmao

Edited August 13, 2022 by FireChans

[JDubya76]

2 hours ago, eball said:

We’re six pages in…have we figured out whether Malik is going to be a big problem or a small problem?

That just leads us to one irrefutable conclusion, he’s going to be a medium sized problem that has a tendency to be a big problem on some days and a small problem on others.

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by JDubya76

[billrooter]

On 8/12/2022 at 8:37 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

His footwork needs a lot of work. There’s a reason the more athletic version of Josh Allen went in the 3rd round. 

Isn't he like 6'1, is the comparison somehow Liberty vs Wyoming or  because he is raw as well and has a strong arm?

[Warcodered]

12 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

If he can learn to read defenses more quickly. He seemed to lock on to his first read, then jump to his second, then take off. 

 

I think he will adjust, seems like a smart guy. Yeah, next year or so, he's could very well be a big problem. 

Saw a clip of his postgame, and he seemed to acknowledge that he did that and used his legs to bail himself out and can't keep doing that. Seemed to have a pretty good mindset on the whole thing.

[Chicken Boo]

He's got it where it counts in the talent and heart department.  Just needs to hone his craft.

 

Kind of looks like David Gerrard out there.