LEBills Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Really nice that he starts the video off by providing info to help our community after last week The video itself is well though out and reasoned as all Brett’s videos are. Fun watch as we wait for football to get back 5 3 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Really liking this pick. This was an excellent video. Thanks for posting. I heard an interview with him and think he is going to fit like a glove here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Punt and kick returner to start. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability Not sure about that. McKenzie did lose return duties twice I think. Love lil dirty but he was shaky at best for returns last year I think and McD clearly lost confidence in him and when he put him back in it was a struggle. 3 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability McKenzie has seemingly lost the confidence of the coaching staff in his return abilities. If he's not going to be a returner, then he has no other special team ability. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Incredibly excited about this pick. It's not just Bills fans that think Shakir was a steal. Lots and lots of analysts have agreed, and Beane said that several GMs were pissed at him for taking Shakir before they could. Like Kollman, I have no idea how this guy fell to the fifth round. While he'll likely be a WR4 in 2022 -- which, in and of itself, is a great insurance policy, as he'll be a viable backup for all three WR spots -- I definitely see him supplanting Crowder in 2023 and becoming the full time slot receiver from then on. As Kollman said, his versatility and run-after-catch ability will simply be too hard to keep off the field. Now I'm just hoping I can snag him in round 3 of my dynasty rookie draft before my league-mates catch on to what a steal he'll be. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 The interview he did with Howard and Jeremy on GR was impressive. What a seemingly fantastic young man with an incredibly focused attitude. I have a feeling we found a real gem in this kid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: McKenzie has seemingly lost the confidence of the coaching staff in his return abilities. If he's not going to be a returner, then he has no other special team ability. This is an intriguing question entering 2022: who are the returner candidates, exactly? We know Hyde is the guy for when McD's backside gets a bit clenched in the bad weather or the big moments after someone else muffs it. He's the steady, no drama punt "catcher." But who are the ACTUAL candidates? Obviously Stevenson will get a look, although we can mostly agree his rookie audition was rough. McKenzie IS a dangerous returner, no doubt, but he's a bit dangerous for BOTH teams, unfortunately. Could take one to the house (if it isn't called back), and could just as likely throw up all over himself. Does more experience, more time refining his craft even-out some of those unforced errors? Who are the less obvious candidates? Hasn't Shakir seen some action as a returner? That seems right, and probably ideal if he can contribute there early on. Do Cook or Elam have any return experience? I like to pose questions to which I do NOT have the answers, by the way. I know some of you still awake have some answers or at least ideas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: This is an intriguing question entering 2022: who are the returner candidates, exactly? We know Hyde is the guy for when McD's backside gets a bit clenched in the bad weather or the big moments after someone else muffs it. He's the steady, no drama punt "catcher." But who are the ACTUAL candidates? Obviously Stevenson will get a look, although we can mostly agree his rookie audition was rough. McKenzie IS a dangerous returner, no doubt, but he's a bit dangerous for BOTH teams, unfortunately. Could take one to the house (if it isn't called back), and could just as likely throw up all over himself. Does more experience, more time refining his craft even-out some of those unforced errors? Who are the less obvious candidates? Hasn't Shakir seen some action as a returner? That seems right, and probably ideal if he can contribute there early on. Do Cook or Elam have any return experience? I like to pose questions to which I do NOT have the answers, by the way. I know some of you still awake have some answers or at least ideas. Well, as I am still awake and will be maybe, for while yet, I would say, watch the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) I 12 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: This is an intriguing question entering 2022: who are the returner candidates, exactly? We know Hyde is the guy for when McD's backside gets a bit clenched in the bad weather or the big moments after someone else muffs it. He's the steady, no drama punt "catcher." But who are the ACTUAL candidates? Obviously Stevenson will get a look, although we can mostly agree his rookie audition was rough. McKenzie IS a dangerous returner, no doubt, but he's a bit dangerous for BOTH teams, unfortunately. Could take one to the house (if it isn't called back), and could just as likely throw up all over himself. Does more experience, more time refining his craft even-out some of those unforced errors? Who are the less obvious candidates? Hasn't Shakir seen some action as a returner? That seems right, and probably ideal if he can contribute there early on. Do Cook or Elam have any return experience? I like to pose questions to which I do NOT have the answers, by the way. I know some of you still awake have some answers or at least ideas. I think it’s Shakir vs Stevenson vs McKenzie. I don’t see any other viable candidates on the roster. Unless they bring in a veteran or one of the UDFAs steps up, that’s who I see in the return competition. Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t bring in a more viable returner after the way last season went. Maybe they’re hoping Stevenson steps up. In all of Beane’s discussions of Shakir in interviews, I haven’t actually heard him mention Shakir being a candidate for the returner role. Edited May 22, 2022 by Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Logic said: I I think it’s Shakir vs Stevenson vs McKenzie. I don’t see any other viable candidates on the roster. Unless they bring in a veteran or one of the UDFAs steps up, that’s who I see in the return competition. Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t bring in a more viable returner after the way last season went. Maybe they’re hoping Stevenson steps up. In all of Beane’s discussions of Shakir in interviews, I haven’t actually heard him mention Shakir being a candidate for the returner role. And while Shakir has done it, it was not a regular gig for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Watkins101 said: Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability Perhaps there is a point to be made that McKenzie lost his P/KR role. But, to suggest that McKenzie isn't versatile is just ludicrous. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) IMO He is a Gabe Davis "type", one who is more ready than his draft position would suggest. Let's see what happens in camp but the guy has a big chance to be in the starting lineup come Sept. Edited May 22, 2022 by TBBills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, TBBills said: IMO He is a Gabe Davis "type", one who is more ready than his draft position would suggest. Let's see what happens in camp but the guy has a big chance to be in the starting lineup come Sept. I agree he is more ready than the 5th round would suggest. I had a high 3rd on Gabe it is more a late 3rd on Shakir but I'd argue Shakir is even higher floor. I am not sure he will come out of camp our starting slot (though it is not impossible) but by the end of the season I expect him to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 It’s interesting to see that a fifth round pick is getting so much attention. It goes back to #17. If JA is not running this offense and he fails to gun the ball all over the field, this kid just falls on the NFL depth chart. Josh Allen makes Shakir a weapon. Shakir in return helps Josh with yet another option on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I’m not going to get too excited right now about a 5th-round draft pick, but I am looking forward to see what he does this pre-season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Watkins101 said: Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability daHell you talkin’ about? Dirty is a ST liability. OP, thanks for the thread and insight. More excited about Shakir now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Shakir is also an insurance policy if Gabe were to go down with injury or becomes too expensive when he hits free agency [e.g. Tyreek Hill]. I think with Josh's big contract, that drafting will become super important as it will give the team (over the 4 years they control the draftees) 15-20 cost controlled regulars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I’d like Manny Sanders to come back on a team friendly contract. He & Gabe switch roles from last year. Give Manny half the work from last year. I think he’ll be more effective and last the whole year. Less is more kinda sort of . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Great video. This makes me love our draft even more. We ha.ve so much versatility on offense to take the pressure off Josh and we gained even more versatility on Defense with Elam and Bernard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I’d like Manny Sanders to come back on a team friendly contract. He & Gabe switch roles from last year. Give Manny half the work from last year. I think he’ll be more effective and last the whole year. Less is more kinda sort of . I’d like to Manny back as well, but I think he’s made his decision to walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Love this pick, I think (I hope) he will end up being the steal of the draft. I see a lot of Stefon Digg's like qualities in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I’d like to Manny back as well, but I think he’s made his decision to walk away. I haven’t seen anything definitive on that but could have easily missed it. A competitor like MS is going to get the itch to come back with this team. And finish a SB Champion 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Logic said: I I think it’s Shakir vs Stevenson vs McKenzie. I don’t see any other viable candidates on the roster. Unless they bring in a veteran or one of the UDFAs steps up, that’s who I see in the return competition. Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t bring in a more viable returner after the way last season went. Maybe they’re hoping Stevenson steps up. In all of Beane’s discussions of Shakir in interviews, I haven’t actually heard him mention Shakir being a candidate for the returner role. It’s pretty crazy huh? Considering all the money and effort they put towards ST…. We completely ignore the returner every season. It’s baffling imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 hour ago, BearNorth said: Shakir is also an insurance policy if Gabe were to go down with injury or becomes too expensive when he hits free agency [e.g. Tyreek Hill]. I think with Josh's big contract, that drafting will become super important as it will give the team (over the 4 years they control the draftees) 15-20 cost controlled regulars. I think he’s more likely Crowders replacement next year or after he gets hurt this year. If Davis leaves after 2 more seasons (which is VERY possible considering the contract he might command), I hope that we would have drafted a WR in rd 1 of the 22 or 23 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I haven’t seen anything definitive on that but could have easily missed it. A competitor like MS is going to get the itch to come back with this team. And finish a SB Champion 😁 Emmanuel Sanders reportedly told Josh Allen his knees are shot so unlikely he plays again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Emmanuel Sanders reportedly told Josh Allen his knees are shot so unlikely he plays again. His stats as last season wore on would support that. I don’t see how they’d fit him onto the roster, at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Emmanuel Sanders reportedly told Josh Allen his knees are shot so unlikely he plays again. Ive been saying this: the Bills have outstanding slot depth but are shallow on the outside. Shakir CAN play out there, but counting on a 5th round rookie to replace a Diggs or a Davis is asking a lot. SO… Unless they really have faith in Stevenson or Hodgins stepping up, they ought to be looking at bringing in a veteran outside Wr. One with a bit of speed would be nice. I can’t help but wonder if TY Hilton would be willing to take a cheap deal for a shot at a title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 44 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I haven’t seen anything definitive on that but could have easily missed it. A competitor like MS is going to get the itch to come back with this team. And finish a SB Champion 😁 10 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Emmanuel Sanders reportedly told Josh Allen his knees are shot so unlikely he plays again. Best thing to do is bring him in to be on practice squad and elevate him for 2 games a year and maybe playoffs to give them veteran presence Coach McD likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Logic said: I I think it’s Shakir vs Stevenson vs McKenzie. I don’t see any other viable candidates on the roster. Unless they bring in a veteran or one of the UDFAs steps up, that’s who I see in the return competition. Honestly, I’m surprised they didn’t bring in a more viable returner after the way last season went. Maybe they’re hoping Stevenson steps up. In all of Beane’s discussions of Shakir in interviews, I haven’t actually heard him mention Shakir being a candidate for the returner role. Stevenson's going to have to transform himself like I've never seen a player transform to be a viable NFL return man. He runs too straight up. He's not elusive. He takes a ton of hard shots that are going to result in turnovers and/or injuries. I doubt Stevenson makes the team unless he shows up big time. Linked Video is a good breakdown of why Cook and Shakir were picked by the Bills - RAC ability and creating match-up issues all over the field. Shakir looks like someone they want to groom into a swiss army knife slot receiver to be the No. 3 eventually with Diggs and Davis. I think it will be slot by committee this year but its Shakir's role to win. Edited May 22, 2022 by Ayjent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) OP, Thanks for posting the link. 10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: This is an intriguing question entering 2022: who are the returner candidates, exactly? Obviously Stevenson will get a look, although we can mostly agree his rookie audition was rough. McKenzie IS a dangerous returner, no doubt, but he's a bit dangerous for BOTH teams, unfortunately. Hasn't Shakir seen some action as a returner? Do Cook or Elam have any return experience? During college Shakir returned 7 kickoffs for 167 yards (23.9 per) and 24 punts for 180 yards (7.5 yards per). Last year was his best year as a returner with 2 kickoffs for 57 yards (28.5 per) and 9 punts for 115 yards (12.8). https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/khalil-shakir-player-stats?category=returning&seasonType=reg Edited May 22, 2022 by Sierra Foothills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul Costa said: I haven’t seen anything definitive on that but could have easily missed it. A competitor like MS is going to get the itch to come back with this team. And finish a SB Champion 😁 He mentioned he was courted to return when he guested on GMFB a few weeks ago, but quickly followed up with ‘my aching knees..’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, White Linen said: The interview he did with Howard and Jeremy on GR was impressive. What a seemingly fantastic young man with an incredibly focused attitude. I have a feeling we found a real gem in this kid. Yes it’s unbelievable that he made it to the 5th round but then again so did Diggs .. We found a gem in the 4th round with Davis hopefully we found another with Shakir !!! Edited May 22, 2022 by Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 5 hours ago, NewEra said: It’s pretty crazy huh? Considering all the money and effort they put towards ST…. We completely ignore the returner every season. It’s baffling imo We literally had all pro Andre Roberts two years ago 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Diet Deebo is such a great name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 17 hours ago, Watkins101 said: Lost a lot of credibility when he said McKenzie didn’t have special team ability IDK. McKenzie's fumbled away his ST duties a couple of times now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Nice breakdown, but I stayed for the cocktail recipe 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Nice breakdown, but I stayed for the cocktail recipe 😎 OK, it’s been an hour. How many and how ya doin’? 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: We literally had all pro Andre Roberts two years ago Sorry…..I should’ve said the last 2 offseasons. I find it strange that we’ve neglected it this offseason after our struggles with it last season. Don’t you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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