ALLEN1QB Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Willing to bet no Bills fans will actually miss Jerry on gameday. Hasn't really made a consistent impact in the last two seasons. You're absolutely right spaceman finally somebody else that seen what I seen. Most overrated defensive player in the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I will respectfully disagree with you. I'm gunna disrespectfully disagree 😆 QB pressures don't mean anything lol tell that to our #1 secondary... hey you know that thing you've been doing... think you can do it twice as long? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 His kryptonite was QB contain. But he was a beast. The Vikings game sticks out in my mind along with the game at Denver. Along with Kyle Williams, it will be sad that we have to win a SB without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Process said: Boooooo Was holding out hope we'd trade AJ and bring back Jerry Jerry doesn't have a lot left in the tank. Great Bill but time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: You're absolutely right spaceman finally somebody else that seen what I seen. Most overrated defensive player in the NFL. Lol not even close 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Jerry doesn't have a lot left in the tank. Great Bill but time to move on. Jerry and Addison are part of the youth movement in Houston. Have I mentioned how much I love Beane? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: You're absolutely right spaceman finally somebody else that seen what I seen. Most overrated defensive player in the NFL. The most overrated player in the NFL? LOL. Oh man, this is epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I'm ok with this. I thought maybe out of all the former Bills from last season lingering in FA, that he would be the one the Bills resigned but alas he's gone. Deuces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Yeah, he's not getting on the wall Yes, he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Missed 1 game but how many games did you hear his name mentioned ( when you did was for jumping Offside) way overrated IMO. I don't know, why don't you tell us? Those data are publicly available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) As is often the case on this board, this thread has become an argument of two extremes with the reality being somewhere in the middle. Jerry Hughes was a good to, at times a number of years ago, very good player. He GREATLY overachieved his expectations when we traded away a bag of balls for a player who was considered a bust and being given a last shot with a change of scenery. He was at his best when he was on the line alongside Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus in their Pro Bowl prime, while they garnered the most blocking attention. His intensity, leadership, and availability secured him a long term role on this team as a respected veteran He was often considered a PFF analytic favorite for his ability to "win" at the line against his blocking. However, this stat somehow didn't equate to a large number of sacks, especially in his last few years with the team. Ultimately, he wasn't as bad or overrated as some posters say he was. But he's also a guy who was never an All-Pro or even made the Pro Bowl. Some posters are truly overvaluing him, especially at this stage of his career. I will remember him fondly. Along the same lines and somewhere between that of a Phil Hansen and Aaron Schobel. But if you watched us take a DE in 2020 with our top (albeit 2nd Round) pick, following it up going back to back at DE with our 1st & 2nd Round picks in the 2021 Draft, you were a fan of his, didn't realize what that meant for Jerry on the last year of his contract we didn't extend and didn't prepare yourself - you were living in denial, plain and simple. Especially after covering the slower than ideal development of some with the signing of Von Miller. The writing was on the wall since April of last year. Edited May 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, K-9 said: Yes, he is. I agree.....def a wall candidate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 He was good-to-OK, he could be fun to watch, and I will say thanks & wish him well. I won't shed any tears though for any Drought-Era players who leave town, not even Kyle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Best of luck Jerry. You'll be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 55 minutes ago, K-9 said: Yes, he is. Na, he's not 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Nothing but respect here. Thanks Jerry, for being a loyal Bill and a real pro. Said a lot about you to me when you survived the (very much needed) McDermott purge - namely, that you played the game the right way and were a great teammate. Lots of fun yelling "Huuuuughes" -- go get 'em in Houston and thanks for the memories! Wishing Jerry the very best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: As is often the case on this board, this thread has become an argument of two extremes with the reality being somewhere in the middle. Jerry Hughes was a good to, at times a number of years ago, very good player. He GREATLY overachieved his expectations when we traded away a bag of balls for a player who was considered a bust and being given a last shot with a change of scenery. He was at his best when he was on the line alongside Mario Williams and Marcell Dareus in their Pro Bowl prime, while they garnered the most blocking attention. His intensity and leadership secured him a long term role on this team as a respected veteran. He was often considered a PFF analytic favorite for his ability to "win" at the line against his blocking. However, this stat somehow didn't equate to a large number of sacks, especially in his last few years with the team. Ultimately, he wasn't as bad or overrated as some posters say he was. But he's also a guy who was never an All-Pro or even made the Pro Bowl. Some posters are truly overvaluing him, especially at this stage of his career. I will remember him fondly. Along the same lines and somewhere between that of a Phil Hansen and Aaron Kromer. But if you watched us take a DE in 2020 with our top (albeit 2nd Round) pick, following it up going back to back at DE with our 1st & 2nd Round picks in the 2021 Draft, you were a fan of his, didn't realize what that meant for Jerry on the last year of his contract we didn't extend and didn't prepare yourself - you were living in denial, plain and simple. Especially after covering the slower than ideal development of some with the signing of Von Miller. The writing was on the wall since April of last year. This has been my stance for a couple of years now. Hughes was a good player. Anyone ever claiming he was elite or even a great player is just wrong. He had some good moments here. I'm really looking forward to the future development of the defensive line. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Good luck Jerry. Thanks for 9 great seasons & helping be a foundation piece for McBeane's culture change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomur67 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Thanks, JH, You've been a great Bill and a true warrior. I hope you when you decide to retire you will choose to retire as a Buffalo Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ngbills said: Hughes and Addison. Star next? Star is long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Na, he's not If I’m still alive when it happens, I’ll look you up and say I told you so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 6 hours ago, K-9 said: Great Bill and future Wall of Fame designee. Best of luck, Jerry. Hughes was a good player. He wasn't really a leader. I see that some fans really like him, and I kind of wonder what is super appealing about his personality. Not that I didn't like him, because I did, but I just always felt like he was just one of Bills players, not some player that everyone loved because of his great leadership and personality like a Kyle Williams or Fred Jackson. So, in my mind I don't view him as a wall of fame candidate at all. As a player he had no pro bowls or all pro seasons. He just played a lot of football. That shouldn't get you on the wall of fame. Another guy I don't think should be added to the wall is Fred Jackson (because he wasn't a great player, just a good player on a horrible team), but I would put him on way before Jerry Hughes. I'm totally in support of Kyle Williams being added. There's another thread about Butch Byrd and that's a no brainer. There are a lot of players I would want to be added before Hughes. 22 minutes ago, K-9 said: If I’m still alive when it happens, I’ll look you up and say I told you so. What is it about Hughes that you are drawn to as a fan besides just the long tenure that speaks to his worthiness as a wall of fame candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Star is long gone. Texans signed Addison and Hughes hence the question was if they would sign Star now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 IMHO Jerry was a decent, not great player, stuck on a team that pretty much went nowhere while he was in Buffalo. Last season he had nothing left. But…he was consistently reliable on jumping offside. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 57 minutes ago, K-9 said: If I’m still alive when it happens, I’ll look you up and say I told you so. Sounds good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, MJS said: Hughes was a good player. He wasn't really a leader. I see that some fans really like him, and I kind of wonder what is super appealing about his personality. Not that I didn't like him, because I did, but I just always felt like he was just one of Bills players, not some player that everyone loved because of his great leadership and personality like a Kyle Williams or Fred Jackson. So, in my mind I don't view him as a wall of fame candidate at all. As a player he had no pro bowls or all pro seasons. He just played a lot of football. That shouldn't get you on the wall of fame. Another guy I don't think should be added to the wall is Fred Jackson (because he wasn't a great player, just a good player on a horrible team), but I would put him on way before Jerry Hughes. I'm totally in support of Kyle Williams being added. There's another thread about Butch Byrd and that's a no brainer. There are a lot of players I would want to be added before Hughes. What is it about Hughes that you are drawn to as a fan besides just the long tenure that speaks to his worthiness as a wall of fame candidate? Aside from being a very good player whose career ranks with several others already on the Wall, and contrary to your assertion that he wasn’t a good leader, he’s one of the most well respected players that locker room ever had. He was a player coaches and teammates alike could rely on to answer the bell game in and game out during his tenure here. That steady reliability over all those years counts for a lot. He was also a great community guy whose activities he sought to deliberately down play. I agree entirely about Byrd, Kyle, and even some others that should be honored as well. But just because others are just as deserving of the honor, doesn’t mean Jerry isn’t. It’s not like he’s blocking anyone from going up there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Yeah, he's not getting on the wall He should get on the wall simply for surviving through both Marrone AND Rex. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Jerry was the man, he stuck it out here on some awful teams.. always gave his all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, K-9 said: If I’m still alive when it happens, I’ll look you up and say I told you so. Jerry Hughes was a good Bill and I respect him and his tenure here. But he doesn't make the Wall. His era is mainly the drought era. When it comes to the drought era, we're not going to put up many guys. Kyle Williams will certainly be up there before Jerry Hughes. Fred Jackson being the 3rd all time rusher for the Bills would go up before Jerry. Even at his own position - Aaron Schobel had just as long of a tenure as Jerry, went to two Pro Bowls (Jerry went to none), and had better numbers here than Jerry - and I don't think he's making it up on the Wall. So I don't know how Jerry does. And when it comes to the post drought era - there's going to be so many above Hughes when it's all said and done and there's only so many spots on the Wall. Edited May 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Jerry Hughes was a good Bill and I respect him and his tenure here. But he doesn't make the Wall. His era is mainly the drought era. When it comes to the drought era, we're not going to put up many guys. Kyle Williams will certainly be up there before Jerry Hughes. Fred Jackson being the 3rd all time rusher for the Bills would go up before Jerry. Even at his own position - Aaron Schobel had just as long of a tenure as Jerry, went to two Pro Bowls (Jerry went to none), and had better numbers here than Jerry - and I don't think he's making it up on the Wall. So I don't know how Jerry does. And when it comes to the post drought era - there's going to be so many above Hughes when it's all said and done and there's only so many spots on the Wall. Again, other players being deserving of the honor doesn’t disqualify Jerry. Lots of ex players should and will be considered as well. Hughes isn’t blocking anyone. That’s not how it works. And I’d like to see others up there before him as well. As for the significance of the drought era that, too, has no bearing on anything. There are players up there who lived thru their own thin years on many poor teams. Jerry’s four seasons of being in the playoffs dwarfs that of several of them, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, K-9 said: Again, other players being deserving of the honor doesn’t disqualify Jerry. Lots of ex players should and will be considered as well. Hughes isn’t blocking anyone. That’s not how it works. And I’d like to see others up there before him as well. As for the significance of the drought era that, too, has no bearing on anything. There are players up there who lived thru their own thin years on many poor teams. Jerry’s four seasons of being in the playoffs dwarfs that of several of them, anyway. https://www.buffalobills.com/team/alumni/wall-of-fame There are a total of 25 players in the ENTIRE history of the Bills up on that Wall. There hasn't been a player between Phil Hansen and now that have gotten that nod yet. And yes, that is how it works. Just like the Hall of Fame. Only the tippy top of different eras are going to make the cut. You might think him deserving. But there are many more that are more deserving that would be more likely to get consideration before him during his tenure with the Bills. And only so many (very few) are going to make the final cut. Edited May 11, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: https://www.buffalobills.com/team/alumni/wall-of-fame There are a total of 25 players in the ENTIRE history of the Bills up on that Wall. There hasn't been a player between Phil Hansen and now that have gotten that nod. And yes, that is how it works. Just like the Hall of Fame. Only the tippy top of different eras are going to make the cut. You might think him deserving. But there are many more deserving that will get the distinction before him during his tenure with the Bills. And only so many (very few) are going to make the cut. That others are deserving and get the honor before him is of absolutely no significance. It’s just a matter of time. There are significant differences in the process vs that for the HoF, chief among them being that the selection committee isn’t just comprised of media members tasked with making the political argument for a player’s inclusion. Various team personnel have input. Indeed, that’s one of the reasons guys like Byrd aren’t in yet. Current employees just aren’t as steeped in team history and tradition. It’s a kind of recency bias. Anyway, I’ll just agree to disagree and move on. Regardless, we can all look forward to the next inductee, whoever that may be. BTW, Cookie was the last player honored in 2017. But your point about Hansen is well taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Missed 1 game but how many games did you hear his name mentioned ( when you did was for jumping Offside) way overrated IMO. I agree he average 5 sacks a year nothing wrong with loving a player, but some of the hype is funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Aside from being a very good player whose career ranks with several others already on the Wall, and contrary to your assertion that he wasn’t a good leader, he’s one of the most well respected players that locker room ever had. He was a player coaches and teammates alike could rely on to answer the bell game in and game out during his tenure here. That steady reliability over all those years counts for a lot. He was also a great community guy whose activities he sought to deliberately down play. I agree entirely about Byrd, Kyle, and even some others that should be honored as well. But just because others are just as deserving of the honor, doesn’t mean Jerry isn’t. It’s not like he’s blocking anyone from going up there. Nothing you said there qualifies a player to be on the wall of fame. Being a good player and well respected should not be enough. 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Jerry Hughes was a good Bill and I respect him and his tenure here. But he doesn't make the Wall. His era is mainly the drought era. When it comes to the drought era, we're not going to put up many guys. Kyle Williams will certainly be up there before Jerry Hughes. Fred Jackson being the 3rd all time rusher for the Bills would go up before Jerry. Even at his own position - Aaron Schobel had just as long of a tenure as Jerry, went to two Pro Bowls (Jerry went to none), and had better numbers here than Jerry - and I don't think he's making it up on the Wall. So I don't know how Jerry does. And when it comes to the post drought era - there's going to be so many above Hughes when it's all said and done and there's only so many spots on the Wall. Agreed. Schobel was honestly a better player than Hughes too, and he will not make the wall. Hughes isn't going to make the wall either, and if he does, that significantly cheapens the honor. It should be reserved for elite players with stats, accolades, and historic contributions to the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Good player but even greater Bill. Best of luck to Jerry in Houston, grateful for everything he did here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: Texans signed Addison and Hughes hence the question was if they would sign Star now Yeah, I’m saying he quit football 3 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Great Bills player. Sad to see him go. Good luck Jerry Hughes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 hours ago, wppete said: One of the great Bills on defense of all time on IMO. Sad to see him go but at least he goes home to Finnish his career in Texas. Good luck Jerry! Norway he was gonna Finnish up as a Buffalo Bill. But it will be Swede for him to end his career in his home state. 10 hours ago, freddyjj said: Sorry to see him go, a pro's pro. On the other hand, back in his hometown. And reunited with Mario Addison for one last hurrah. Jacques Cesaire DL Coach for Texans was Asst DL coach for Bills last 2 years. I'm a bit surprised it took until middle of page 2 to mention Mario Addison being rejoined by Hughes. Incidentally Hughes and Addison were teammates at Indy for two seasons so Hughes has now been on 3 teams and Addison has been on all three of those teams. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Norway he was gonna Finnish up as a Buffalo Bill. But it will be Swede for him to end his career in his home state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 11 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Missed 1 game but how many games did you hear his name mentioned ( when you did was for jumping Offside) way overrated IMO. Not at all. He'd lost a step but was still very impactful. I wish him the absolute best of luck. A great Bill and a fine person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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