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1 minute ago, mannc said:

Me too.  It's a stupid rule and it needs to go.

 

I dislike the taunting more than the rule personally, I'm just glad they ignored it late in that particular game.

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I made a post about this back then and got scorched for it. Then again that was an ugly week of posting. Most peoples opinions on here at the time was it shouldn't have been called. Which I agreed with, but my point was it was a rule and was being called all year in that spot. So it should have been called.  

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8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Inconsequential

 

Yeah, it wouldn't have changed the TD. Just been enforced on the Kickoff. 

 

A lot of us were confusing the Matt Ryan taunting penalty that resulting in a 3rd and long when he seemed to have scored a rushing TD... He was ruled short of the goal bc he gave himself up...

 

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I'm torn on this taunting thing. I hate most of the penalties after a big play and showing emotion and celebrating. But flashing a peace sign in a defenders face while the play is still going on should be called. Thats not showing emotion, that's being a duechebag. Literally the definition of taunting. Probably inconsequential, but should be called.

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12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Inconsequential


Agreed. Wouldn’t have negated the score. Plus, we scored after that. Can’t really get worked up about it. 
 

the one missed call I was mildly irked at was the illegal shift on the chiefs GW TD. But the way they were moving the ball, they were going to score a TD on that drive no matter what. 

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15 minutes ago, Nostradumbass said:

We caught a break on the Matt Ryan taunting call

 

Stupid rule that needs to go

You call it a break and I say that probably cost us the Super Bowl. I'm not gonna go back and do the math now, but us being the 4 seed (i.e. Bengals route) would have been so much better. How I remember it anyways. The penalty needs to stay, but go back to the parameters it was called before.

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4 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I dislike the taunting more than the rule personally, I'm just glad they ignored it late in that particular game.

 

 

I agree on both counts. I really don't like taunting. And I'm not really big on celebrating an inconsequential first down by jumping around and signaling it, either.  I would prefer guys hand the ball back to the official after scoring a TD.  I'm an old fuddy-duddy. So really, who gives a damn what I prefer?  I understand the game should be fun for the players, and the fans. So I prefer penalties not be called most of the time, especially in an important moment like that.

 

But celebrating to excess (elaborate choreographed bits), excessive delay of game or blatant taunting should be called, IMO.  I'm not sure how I would define "blatant taunting", but I know it when I see it. Waving, a peace sign, etc, doesn't rise to the penalty level, IMO. 

 

I'd like to think the pendulum just swung a bit too far after the league made it a point of emphasis last year. (After pretty much ignoring it for a long time.)  I figured they'd dial it back a bit this coming season. But judging by this news, perhaps I'm off base.

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4 hours ago, Simon said:

Just a taunting they didn't call.

 

It certainly looked like a penalty at the time but I'm glad they didn't call it.

 

 

Who cares he was scoring it doesn’t affect the play on the field idc 

 

now if there was a holding or off PI I would be pissed but he was scoring don’t change the game bc he is celebrating idc if it hurts feelings 

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9 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

I'm torn on this taunting thing. I hate most of the penalties after a big play and showing emotion and celebrating. But flashing a peace sign in a defenders face while the play is still going on should be called. Thats not showing emotion, that's being a duechebag. Literally the definition of taunting. Probably inconsequential, but should be called.

thing about that "peace" sign was,  it wasnt really about peace,  it was throwing 2 fingers in the Bills' faces,  as in,  we just beat u twice in the playoffs.   thats a douche move by Hill.    should it have been called?  by the letter of the law,  yes.

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2 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

thing about that "peace" sign was,  it wasnt really about peace,  it was throwing 2 fingers in the Bills' faces,  as in,  we just beat u twice in the playoffs.   thats a douche move by Hill.    should it have been called?  by the letter of the law,  yes.

 

2 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

thing about that "peace" sign was,  it wasnt really about peace,  it was throwing 2 fingers in the Bills' faces,  as in,  we just beat u twice in the playoffs.   thats a douche move by Hill.    should it have been called?  by the letter of the law,  yes.

When we play Miami next season, Hill will get 2 heaping servings of humble pie!!!

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13 hours ago, Simon said:

Just a taunting they didn't call.

 

It certainly looked like a penalty at the time but I'm glad they didn't call it.

 

 

 

If they called it we loose the game in regulation. His TD was what allowed us to go down the field and leave only 13 seconds on the clock. 

 

Obviously if it were not for the biggest coaching choke in franchise history we would all still be hung over from the SB party but I digress 

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3 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

thing about that "peace" sign was,  it wasnt really about peace,  it was throwing 2 fingers in the Bills' faces,  as in,  we just beat u twice in the playoffs.   thats a douche move by Hill.    should it have been called?  by the letter of the law,  yes.

The NFL has no letter of the law. They can create rules and use them or not at their discretion. It always takes 2 weeks or 2 months after the fact for the NFL to admit they can't get it right in the first place. And it's always at our expense. 

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It helped the Bills that they didn't call it. Gave them enough time to score. 

 

The Bills D was 100% not stopping the Chiefs from scoring. 100%. If the Chiefs were facing 4th and 59, I'd have put money on the Chiefs converting the first. Frazier would play the safeties and linebackers 80 yards off to be safe. 

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14 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Yeah, it wouldn't have changed the TD. Just been enforced on the Kickoff. 

 

A lot of us were confusing the Matt Ryan taunting penalty that resulting in a 3rd and long when he seemed to have scored a rushing TD... He was ruled short of the goal bc he gave himself up...

 

Is that accurate?  I thought all penalties during a play were enforced on said play.  If the taunting occurs after the whistle is when it would have been enforced on the kickoff.

 

I don't know if taunting is different with how it is enforced so I could be wrong.  

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Just now, The Wiz said:

Is that accurate?  I thought all penalties during a play were enforced on said play.  If the taunting occurs after the whistle is when it would have been enforced on the kickoff.

 

I don't know if taunting is different with how it is enforced so I could be wrong.  

I was thinking the same thing.  A quick google scan didn't yield much, either.

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20 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Is that accurate?  I thought all penalties during a play were enforced on said play.  If the taunting occurs after the whistle is when it would have been enforced on the kickoff.

 

I don't know if taunting is different with how it is enforced so I could be wrong.  

 

Yup, that surprised me too. Last season, a taunting penalty was always considered a dead ball foul.

 

ARTICLE 1. TYPES OF FOULS

 

(b) A Dead Ball Foul is a foul that occurs in the continuing action after a down ends, or a taunting foul that occurs at any time...

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2021-nfl-rulebook/#preface

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15 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

I'm torn on this taunting thing. I hate most of the penalties after a big play and showing emotion and celebrating. But flashing a peace sign in a defenders face while the play is still going on should be called. Thats not showing emotion, that's being a duechebag. Literally the definition of taunting. Probably inconsequential, but should be called.

 

 

That's rewarded with $50 million a year in GB.

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20 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

I believe that if it were called the Bills could have either the XP or the kickoff backed up.   The TD would have counted, it wouldn’t have affected the clock at all.

 

Exactly, taunting was enforced as a dead ball foul. The result of the play would have been a TD. The Bills would have the choice to enforce on the XP or Kickoff. 

 

No time would have been lost for the next drive. 

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Disliking the rule and enforcing it are two separate things. I also hate the rule. BUT if you have a rule then enforce it. Dont pick and choose when you are going to call it. I am blanking on the scenario but recall the Bills getting screwed on a taunting call in the HOU playoff loss. 

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I couldn't care less about their apology or the change in the overtime rule.  You go up by three with 13 seconds left you should win the game every time. 

 

Having said that, either get rid of the taunting rule or call it consistently.  

18 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Is that accurate?  I thought all penalties during a play were enforced on said play.  If the taunting occurs after the whistle is when it would have been enforced on the kickoff.

 

I don't know if taunting is different with how it is enforced so I could be wrong.  

Yeah.  It's accurate.  

 

On the play, Hill flashed his patented "peace" sign at Bills defenders at about the 16-yard-line before completing the 64-yard touchdown that gave Kansas City a 33-29 lead. A taunting penalty would not have wiped out the score; it would have either been assessed on the point-after attempt or the ensuing kickoff.

 

Same would've happened if Matt Ryan scored a TD there instead of giving himself up.

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If you want to nit pick i guess you could say that but come on he had the dude beat & a peace sign doesn't hurt a thing !

 

Now these guys that get up in some ones face and all that okay but a little bit of trash talking or things like this particular thing would be ridiculous if they did it for every little thing !

 

Now if they called something like that against the Bills and not on them okay i get it but as log as they are consistent its all good to me .

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