SCBills Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Speculation, but from everything I’ve heard about Wagner, he’s not really interested in leaving the West Coast. Will be interesting to see where he signs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I actually dreamt this last night- except we gave the Eagles Edmunds plus #25 for #16...We then signed Wagner, drafted one of top 3 corners, and took a WR in the 2nd round, and all our problems were solved in one night...😉 So… in your dream the NFL went back to the old way of doing the draft and the 1st and 2nd round were on the same day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: So… in your dream the NFL went back to the old way of doing the draft and the 1st and 2nd round were on the same day? Semantics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Semantics I had a dream you’d post this… crazy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: So… in your dream the NFL went back to the old way of doing the draft and the 1st and 2nd round were on the same day? Lol...no, I meant all our problems were solved in one night of me dreaming...but it could definitely be interpreted both ways...😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Lol...no, I meant all our problems were solved in one night of me dreaming...but it could definitely be interpreted both ways...😉 To be honest, I just really miss the full day draft. My buddies and I looked forward to having full day cook outs etc. every year. This primetime stuff is for the casuals and I do not like it one bit. I also don’t like that it gives unprepared gms etc more time in between the 1st and 2nd to get things right. Beane would eat the old style draft up. Edited March 31, 2022 by Bobby Hooks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I think he's probably just making a joke, but he might not have thought this one through all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I think he's probably just making a joke, but he might not have thought this one through all the way. Lamar refusing/reluctant to negotiate a new contract with the Ravens. Sounds like he is willing to play for 5th year $$$s and even accept franchise tag potentially. Image being forced to accept a 40m franchise tag.. It's an interesting strategy pretty much unheard of in the modern NFL.. The QB market has gone bonkers. So while he waits out the market he makes money. While the NFL fans and talking heads talk about whether he deserves Allen/Mahommes money, his value is going up naturally. And too boot, he isn't paying an agent, so he saves those dollars as well. He does nothing this year, he makes 18M. He does nothing next year he gets tagged at 40m (presuming his bet on himself pays off, see Baker's cautionary tale). Edited March 31, 2022 by wjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 hours ago, HappyDays said: Looks like Bobby Wagner will finally be signing somewhere. I had practically forgotten he was still available. My dream of trading Edmunds for a 2nd and signing Wagner is probably dead. Hope it’s not Miami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Hope it’s not Miami Richard Sherman has since confirmed that Wagner isn’t signing with the 49ers or Chargers. I would bet on the Rams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Richard Sherman has since confirmed that Wagner isn’t signing with the 49ers or Chargers. I would bet on the Rams. I think that's a good bet, since they lost out on Von Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadlox Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, jkeerie said: I think that's a good bet, since they lost out on Von Miller. The Rams lost Von Miller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, dreadlox said: The Rams lost Von Miller? /s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Hope it’s not Miami I hope it’s the nfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, wjag said: Lamar refusing/reluctant to negotiate a new contract with the Ravens. Sounds like he is willing to play for 5th year $$$s and even accept franchise tag potentially. Image being forced to accept a 40m franchise tag.. It's an interesting strategy pretty much unheard of in the modern NFL.. The QB market has gone bonkers. So while he waits out the market he makes money. While the NFL fans and talking heads talk about whether he deserves Allen/Mahommes money, his value is going up naturally. And too boot, he isn't paying an agent, so he saves those dollars as well. He does nothing this year, he makes 18M. He does nothing next year he gets tagged at 40m (presuming his bet on himself pays off, see Baker's cautionary tale). Agree with the last part. According to OTC and Spotrac his salary is $23m this year, so even better for Lamar. The 5th year option changed for the class of 2018. It is no longer pegged on draft position alone, that is why his 5th year option is higher than Baker's. Lamar is playing this pretty smart IMO. A lot of teams are pulling out of the cap mess from the retraction in the COVID year and the cap is estimated to go up by 10% or so each year. A lot of good QBs were due for extensions and renegotiations. He sat back and let the QB market adjust itself upward. Per Spotrac Rodgers ($50m AAV), Stafford ($40m AAV) and settling the Watson mess ($46m AAV) pushed the QB ceiling way up. Wilson is probably due an extension soon too and should be north of $40m AAV (though the news is no negotiations are currently underway). Just a year ago Jackson and Baker Mayfield were being spoke about in the conversation about extensions. By simply staying put he has pulled well ahead of Baker. From a time-value basis of money you would want the higher salary now, but I think Lamar was smart waiting as he did so far. Starting with the 2018 draft, when a 5th year option is exercised both the 4th and 5th year salaries are fully guaranteed when signed, so Lamar's 2022 5th yr salary of $23m is fully guaranteed. The same applies to franchise tags. When a Franchise tag is tendered it also is fully guaranteed. The estimated 2023 Franchise tag for QBs is $31.5m up from $29.7m in 2022 according to Over The Cap. That will probably creep up with all the dust settling on these QB contracts. Assuming the Ravens franchise Lamar for 2024, he has $54.5m all guaranteed by 2024. Not bad. He may also be waiting to see what happens with R Wilson, but it looks like Wilson's camp is also waiting. I believe players can sign extensions until July 15th. If no extension is agreed to the Franchise Tag mechanism starts after the Super Bowl in 2024. It looks to me that Jackson waited to let the QB market increase and is more interested in up front guaranteed money through at least 2024. That may be wise given his play style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Hayden, Rhodes and JC Tretter are still out there. Tretter is a WNYer and wonder if he would consider a lower contract to come home and play for a potential Super Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Magnum Force said: Hayden, Rhodes and JC Tretter are still out there. Tretter is a WNYer and wonder if he would consider a lower contract to come home and play for a potential Super Bowl Bills already have a center. Tretter hasn’t played OT since his early years in the NFL. I’d give sign him as competition for Bates/Brown if he came cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Motor26 said: Bills already have a center. Tretter hasn’t played OT since his early years in the NFL. I’d give sign him as competition for Bates/Brown if he came cheap. Yes I know and was assuming he could transition to guard in my thought process. Just an idea if the price is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 6 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: Agree with the last part. According to OTC and Spotrac his salary is $23m this year, so even better for Lamar. The 5th year option changed for the class of 2018. It is no longer pegged on draft position alone, that is why his 5th year option is higher than Baker's. Lamar is playing this pretty smart IMO. A lot of teams are pulling out of the cap mess from the retraction in the COVID year and the cap is estimated to go up by 10% or so each year. A lot of good QBs were due for extensions and renegotiations. He sat back and let the QB market adjust itself upward. Per Spotrac Rodgers ($50m AAV), Stafford ($40m AAV) and settling the Watson mess ($46m AAV) pushed the QB ceiling way up. Wilson is probably due an extension soon too and should be north of $40m AAV (though the news is no negotiations are currently underway). Just a year ago Jackson and Baker Mayfield were being spoke about in the conversation about extensions. By simply staying put he has pulled well ahead of Baker. From a time-value basis of money you would want the higher salary now, but I think Lamar was smart waiting as he did so far. Starting with the 2018 draft, when a 5th year option is exercised both the 4th and 5th year salaries are fully guaranteed when signed, so Lamar's 2022 5th yr salary of $23m is fully guaranteed. The same applies to franchise tags. When a Franchise tag is tendered it also is fully guaranteed. The estimated 2023 Franchise tag for QBs is $31.5m up from $29.7m in 2022 according to Over The Cap. That will probably creep up with all the dust settling on these QB contracts. Assuming the Ravens franchise Lamar for 2024, he has $54.5m all guaranteed by 2024. Not bad. He may also be waiting to see what happens with R Wilson, but it looks like Wilson's camp is also waiting. I believe players can sign extensions until July 15th. If no extension is agreed to the Franchise Tag mechanism starts after the Super Bowl in 2024. It looks to me that Jackson waited to let the QB market increase and is more interested in up front guaranteed money through at least 2024. That may be wise given his play style? If he has a RG3 type injury this year he gets nothing but backup money at best after this season. Is it really worth it? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2o Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: At this point you would think Judon would just be embarrassed enough to shut up. But, then again, it's good for a laugh every few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, H2o said: At this point you would think Judon would just be embarrassed enough to shut up. But, then again, it's good for a laugh every few days. He was one of the last bigger type free agents to get tricked into going to the almighty Bill Belichek led Pats. The days of “come play with Tommy for a super bowl bid” are over and he’s probably bummed he signed up for it for four years. Edited April 1, 2022 by Bobby Hooks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I can’t imagine Lamar getting a huge deal from the Ravens unless they can weasel out of it after 1 season. They should want to move on and rebuild soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Governor said: I can’t imagine Lamar getting a huge deal from the Ravens unless they can weasel out of it after 1 season. They should want to move on and rebuild soon. IMO-- Yes, and no. I doubt the Ravens have the buyer's remorse you're suggesting here (I mean, the guy was 2019 MVP for Chrissakes!), and it is by no means out of the question that Jackson can develop into a much more effective packet-passer. In fact, some of his numbers from last season (cut short by injury, of course) would suggest that sort of improvement. But, I think you're definitely spot on on suggesting that the Raven's FO would be wary of the sort of deal that he probably hopes he's going to get. If I were Ravens brass, I would definitely want to see much more improvement in term of being a pocket passer, as well as improvement in self-preservation with his running acumen. He ain't no Josh Allen! (Full disclosure-- I am what most would call a "Bills Homer") There used to be this pundit-driven narrative that the way to shut down Allen was too "keep him in the pocket." There may be some lazy pundits still peddling that nonsense, but suffice to say that in '20, and beyond, Josh put that notion to rest. Leave him time in the pocket, and he will slice you to ribbons. But, Jackson (who I think you have to admit, is a better runner) certainly has yet to prove that. So, all of that being said, I would imagine that any contract that he and his Mom would find acceptable would have to be some sort of long-term agreement. And that puts them all at a bit of a conundrum, doesn't it? The timing couldn't be worse! There's no question in my mind that the guy is hella talented. But, there's also no question that he's an inherent risk. Poor guy was born about 20 years too late! Edited April 2, 2022 by Rocky Landing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 46 minutes ago, Virgil said: Fully guaranteed! Great for him. Man, what that must feel like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Honestly for all the complaining our pass defense gets on this board, I’m shocked Miami fans aren’t losing their ***** after Howard and then Howard/Jones have had zero success stopping Josh Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Thats QB type money. Seems Phins have found an uograde on Tua? 😃🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Virgil said: With that kind of money he can finally buy some asbestos underwear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: With that kind of money he can finally buy some asbestos underwear I'm not gonna hate on the guy because he is a very good CB but he does get scorched a lot against Josh. I feel it's because a lot of our games against them get out of reach pretty early and it just snatches the life and motivation of their players. Maybe it'll be different this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Honestly for all the complaining our pass defense gets on this board, I’m shocked Miami fans aren’t losing their ***** after Howard and then Howard/Jones have had zero success stopping Josh Allen. No one, no one, no one ever is to blame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I'm not gonna hate on the guy because he is a very good CB but he does get scorched a lot against Josh. I feel it's because a lot of our games against them get out of reach pretty early and it just snatches the life and motivation of their players. Maybe it'll be different this year. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Josh Allen is to Dolphins fans what Brady was to Bills fans for so many years, the guy who just always plays amazing against you. Josh is 7-1 vs the dolphins with the only loss coming his rookie year cuz Charles Clay couldn’t catch a football. I’ve started to worry more about Jets games than Dolphins games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Virgil said: Funnier than an April Fool’s joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Ralonzo said: No one, no one, no one ever is to blame. You're showing your age...but I see what you did there. Nice reference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 “Add the #Bills to the list of potential suitors as they’ve submitted an offer late yesterday. However, I do believe Julio Jones ends up a #Packer Julio Jones is yet to make up his mind but is currently considering offers from the #Packers, #Chiefs, & #Colts. A reunion with Matt Ryan seems unlikely, packers are easily on top of his list for now.” @_NFLsource This guy on Twitter has been correct on recent signings This would make sense to me. Crowder takes Beasley’s targets. Julio Jones if our training staff could keep him healthy is an upgrade in the Emmanuel Sanders role. I would also still want a WR in the first few rounds of draft. thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: “Add the #Bills to the list of potential suitors as they’ve submitted an offer late yesterday. However, I do believe Julio Jones ends up a #Packer Julio Jones is yet to make up his mind but is currently considering offers from the #Packers, #Chiefs, & #Colts. A reunion with Matt Ryan seems unlikely, packers are easily on top of his list for now.” @_NFLsource This guy on Twitter has been correct on recent signings This would make sense to me. Crowder takes Beasley’s targets. Julio Jones if our training staff could keep him healthy is an upgrade in the Emmanuel Sanders role. I would also still want a WR in the first few rounds of draft. thoughts? It’s been so long since he accomplished anything on the field, I’m not sure he still can get it done. Sanders at least had a good half-season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: It’s been so long since he accomplished anything on the field, I’m not sure he still can get it done. Sanders at least had a good half-season. Beane might believe our trainers could resolve his soft tissue injuries. When he did play last year had 434 yards and 14.0 ypc. That’s in a Tannehill more run heavy offense. If he were healthy here 850-950 yards, 15.0 ypc seems reasonable Edited April 2, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/remaining-free-agents-buffalo-bills-richard-sherman-julio-jones/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/remaining-free-agents-buffalo-bills-richard-sherman-julio-jones/ I’d be good with most on that list except Fuller. Doesn’t seem to have desire for football. Never on field injuries/mental 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Well, this suddenly took a dark turn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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