Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, CapeBreton said: He averages about 30 catches a season with Aaron Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He averages about 30 catches a season with Aaron Rodgers. Love this move! 🤣 39 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: The wheels are starting to fall off. Smart move by MVS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Love this move! 🤣 The wheels are starting to fall off. Smart move by MVS Doesn’t seem like a move a team would make who could just plug any receiver in and be the same as it was with Hill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stads Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 This is from an ESPN article detailing where each stands at this point of free agency. Mike Reiss had this to say about the Pats: Offseason goals: Crush the draft after appearing to do so in 2021 with quarterback Mac Jones, defensive tackle Christian Barmore, running back Rhamondre Stevenson & Co. After essentially doing two years of free-agent shopping in 2021, the Patriots have been quieter this year, putting the focus on the draft to fill needs at cornerback, wide receiver, offensive line "Crush" the draft in 2021 seems a little strong of word choice. I don't have faith in McCorckle as a long term option, but to each his own I suppose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, CapeBreton said: If this stops then from actually getting a good WR, I’m all for it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 18 hours ago, Warcodered said: I think I'm starting to see why people like Twitter 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Stads said: "Crush" the draft in 2021 seems a little strong of word choice. I don't have faith in McCorckle as a long term option, but to each his own I suppose I agree. I keep having images of Jones under thrown ball getting picked by Hyde and Allen running through Barmore's tackle in the playoffs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, CapeBreton said: remember when Rodgers held out because the Packers didn't get him "any weapons"? Now it' obvious that was all BS, as he signing off on all his weapons heading out. Biggest phony in the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Stads said: This is from an ESPN article detailing where each stands at this point of free agency. Mike Reiss had this to say about the Pats: Offseason goals: Crush the draft after appearing to do so in 2021 with quarterback Mac Jones, defensive tackle Christian Barmore, running back Rhamondre Stevenson & Co. After essentially doing two years of free-agent shopping in 2021, the Patriots have been quieter this year, putting the focus on the draft to fill needs at cornerback, wide receiver, offensive line "Crush" the draft in 2021 seems a little strong of word choice. I don't have faith in McCorckle as a long term option, but to each his own I suppose Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. Trevor Lawrence is way better, and it will show now that Urban Meyer is gone. Mac will always be held back by his lack of physical traits. The Pats D got them to the playoffs, Mac was just asked to not turn the ball over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. Fairly low bar. That and he's a high floor low ceiling player. I'm not worried about the guy. If I was I'd remember his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said: Fairly low bar. That and he's a high floor low ceiling player. I'm not worried about the guy. If I was I'd remember his name. You 100% remember his name and know exactly who he’s referring to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Motor26 said: You 100% remember his name and know exactly who he’s referring to. Honest to god I don't remember the Cheatriots*** QB's name. At my age there's a lot of things I don't remember. It's Mac or Zach, that much I know. I can see his stupid frat boy face though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Warcodered said: Since Adams and MVS have moved on from Green Bay, maybe Beane can flip Kumerow to GB to make AR happy 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. They aren't putting that playoff push on Mac though b.c he was exposed down the stretch. He was the best rookie out of a group of rookies that played like absolute *****... not a big endorsement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. They literally covered him up with a good defense and a strong running game any time they asked him to do anything more than not make a mistake he floundered 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. Davis Mills was WAY more impressive than Mac Jones. It’s not even close. He was in the worst situation by far and held his own. Also didn’t cost a mid-1st rounder. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: Davis Mills was WAY more impressive than Mac Jones. It’s not even close. He was in the worst situation by far and held his own. Also didn’t cost a mid-1st rounder. I am not sure he was way more impressive purely on tape. They were similar on tape, they both had some good moments and some moments where they looked like rooks. Mills was more impressive once you consider context and value. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am not sure he was way more impressive purely on tape. They were similar on tape, they both had some good moments and some moments where they looked like rooks. Mills was more impressive once you consider context and value. Appreciate you spotlighting my point. I didn’t articulate it very well, you did a much better job of communicating what I was trying to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 18 hours ago, NewEra said: Franchise tag and possibly another Franchise tag. That gives you 2 or 3 more years with him and by that time, figure out if he’s going to be viable long term. sucks for Lamar, but that’s what happens when you’re a qb that relies on speed and athleticism to be 80% of his game. Tough to guarantee a decent passing qb 45M+ long term imo. 13 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: I agree. I keep having images of Jones under thrown ball getting picked by Hyde and Allen running through Barmore's tackle in the playoffs! That was an extraordinary play by Hyde, not at all a bad throw by Jones. He looks like he'll be a very good QB, more than competent, less than elite. Certainly enough to win with, as long as he has a very good team around him, which he does. The trouble is, he's in a conference with the Bills, Chiefs, Bengals, Raiders, and maybe now Denver. I'd say they're also below or the same level as the Ravens, Titans, and now Miami. With the Pats, the question is, "Is the QB good enough to not hold the team back?" With the Bills, it's "Is the team (and coaches!) good enough not to hold the QB back?" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 10 hours ago, TBBills said: They aren't putting that playoff push on Mac though b.c he was exposed down the stretch. He was the best rookie out of a group of rookies that played like absolute *****... not a big endorsement. 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: They literally covered him up with a good defense and a strong running game any time they asked him to do anything more than not make a mistake he floundered I kinda stepped in it with complimenting Mac & Cheese! I will certainly say that he benefitted from good scheming, and being given the most risk-averse playbook possible. The fact that he passed on us a whopping total of three times in our first meeting says a lot (windstorm notwithstanding). But, you have to admit that as the season progressed, his playbook grew larger. He finished the season with a 67.6% completion percentage, and a 92.5 passer rating. And that ain't bad for a rook. 5 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Davis Mills was WAY more impressive than Mac Jones. It’s not even close. He was in the worst situation by far and held his own. Also didn’t cost a mid-1st rounder. I actually agree with this, except for the degree. In the context of the Texans vs the Patriots*, Mills was very impressive, and I think that had Jones been put in that position, he would have crumbled. Conversely, I think that Mills with that Patriots* scheme would not have faired as well as as Jones. You really can't deny Jones' accuracy. And I would sure like this to be the end of this discussion! I can't believe I've put myself in the position of defending Mac & Cheese Jones. I feel ugly and tainted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RocCityRoller Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am not sure he was way more impressive purely on tape. They were similar on tape, they both had some good moments and some moments where they looked like rooks. Mills was more impressive once you consider context and value. Fun mental exercise. Put Mills on New England and Jones in Houston. Who looks better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Fun mental exercise. Put Mills on New England and Jones in Houston. Who looks better? Really hard to say. I think maybe Davis because Mac might be a bit more scheme specific. But equally Davis played in no big moments for Houston. That would be a test for him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Noooooo 1 3 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Kinda sickens me to say it, but... it's hard to argue against Mac & Cheese being the best rookie QB last season. He got them to the playoffs, which really makes him look like a bullseye draft pick. Every draft, the experts throw around the concept of "high and low floor/ceiling" prospects. The idea is that some players come into the NFL more ready to play, but they don't really have the physical traits to become elite. Other players come in raw, and are bigger projects. They may struggle more at first. But if everything clicks in their development, they can eventually become among the league's best at their position. Back in 2018, it was Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen who were considered the most pro-ready by experts. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were the big projects, with tons of physical skill and raw as passers. Everyone recalls that Mayfield had the best rookie year (by far) and appeared to be a star in the making. Jackson looked great as a runner. Darnold flashed, despite being on the Jets. Only the people in Buffalo noticed some potential in Allen, while Rosen was a total flop. Fast-forward four seasons.... Allen is a Top 3 quarterback. Jackson is Top 10. Mayfield just got replaced. Darnold is already a backup. Rosen is almost out of the league. In my opinion, Mac Jones was the 2021 version of Baker Mayfield. He came into the NFL with good mechanics, and a solid mental grasp of the pro-passing game. He came from the biggest program in the country, and immediately went to play under Bill Belichick. He was inserted into an offense that put most of the pressure on the running game, and rarely asked him to win games by himself. Over the next few seasons, the pressure will be on Jones to prove himself as more than "middle of the pack." Defenses will realize that Jones doesn't have the arm-strength to make big throws, or the athletic skill to escape the pocket. They will focus on taking away the run game, and make Jones try to beat them. That's when the Patriots fans realize there is only one Tom Brady. And he doesn't play in Boston anymore. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: Fun mental exercise. Put Mills on New England and Jones in Houston. Who looks better? In my opinion, Mills would look worse than Jones did in NE, and Jones would look worse than Mills did in Houston. Jones benefitted from a risk-averse playbook that highlighted his strengths (accuracy, and processing ability) , and protected him from his weaknesses (lack of athleticism, and a weak arm). Mills certainly does not have Jones accuracy, but his toughness, and athleticism allowed him to shine in an otherwise anemic offense. Jones would have been crushed in that situation, but Mills would have had less to offer Belichick*, and the Patriots*. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Every draft, the experts throw around the concept of "high and low floor/ceiling" prospects. The idea is that some players come into the NFL more ready to play, but they don't really have the physical traits to become elite. Other players come in raw, and are bigger projects. They may struggle more at first. But if everything clicks in their development, they can eventually become among the league's best at their position. Back in 2018, it was Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen who were considered the most pro-ready by experts. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were the big projects, with tons of physical skill and raw as passers. Everyone recalls that Mayfield had the best rookie year (by far) and appeared to be a star in the making. Jackson looked great as a runner. Darnold flashed, despite being on the Jets. Only the people in Buffalo noticed some potential in Allen, while Rosen was a total flop. Fast-forward four seasons.... Allen is a Top 3 quarterback. Jackson is Top 10. Mayfield just got replaced. Darnold is already a backup. Rosen is almost out of the league. In my opinion, Mac Jones was the 2021 version of Baker Mayfield. He came into the NFL with good mechanics, and a solid mental grasp of the pro-passing game. He came from the biggest program in the country, and immediately went to play under Bill Belichick. He was inserted into an offense that put most of the pressure on the running game, and rarely asked him to win games by himself. Over the next few seasons, the pressure will be on Jones to prove himself as more than "middle of the pack." Defenses will realize that Jones doesn't have the arm-strength to make big throws, or the athletic skill to escape the pocket. They will focus on taking away the run game, and make Jones try to beat them. That's when the Patriots fans realize there is only one Tom Brady. And he doesn't play in Boston anymore. I basically agree with all of this. And I would add (and I have said as much in this, and other forums) that it is a mistake to draft a player based on his "NFL readiness." Zay Jones is an example of this (although he seems to be doing pretty well for himself, production notwithstanding). If the Jets can manage to upgrade their O-line (they seem to be, with the addition of Laken Tomlinson), and with the obvious upgrades in Miami, it's hard to predict who will be the poorest starting QB in the AFCE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Noooooo The Bills secret weapon vs. KC. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 context I'm guessing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Noooooo This cancels out Hill leaving. Fr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Noooooo To be replaced by an open stretch of field that is still somehow better in coverage than him. Edited March 25, 2022 by Warcodered 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: Totally OT, but watching this video you posted reminded me of something. The Tampa game last year, I left my house and went for a skate at halftime. I was recording the game, but I've never watched the 2nd half of that game. Ran into a bunch of Bills fans who were in my area on vacation, and they kept updating me on the score while I skated. Fun and weird experience. Anyway, I think I'll dust that game off tonight and watch the only game I haven't seen the ending to in who-knows-how-many-years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: This cancels out Hill leaving. Fr. The NFC is tanking! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: Totally OT, but watching this video you posted reminded me of something. The Tampa game last year, I left my house and went for a skate at halftime. I was recording the game, but I've never watched the 2nd half of that game. Ran into a bunch of Bills fans who were in my area on vacation, and they kept updating me on the score while I skated. Fun and weird experience. Anyway, I think I'll dust that game off tonight and watch the only game I haven't seen the ending to in who-knows-how-many-years. Josh Allen in the second half made me question his assertion that he doesn't play well pissed off, because he kind of seemed pissed off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The NFC is tanking! NFC East has been doing it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Noooooo Noooooo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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