BillsFanForever19 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What is this obsession w/ Berrios? Dudes never even had a 500 yard season. Yeah yeah Jets and all, but come on. Yeah, miss me with the Berrios and Andy Isabella obsessions. I don't get it. Edited March 10, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 We may not need a #2 WR, but we certainly do need a #3 & 4 WR, wether through the draft, FA, or from who we already have in house. Go Bills!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 hours ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. We still need depth and multiple weapons to make it thru the very long season and then the grueling playoffs…. We had seven good weapons last year we need to keep that number stable. It’s not that we need a Super Star, it’s the # of weapons…And we a couple good weapons. We have Diggs all alone then a bunch of good weapons in Knox, Beasley, Davis, Singletary, Sanders and McKenzie. Looks like we will have to replace Sanders, McKenzie and Beasley this year…. Maybe Davis next year? So, three this year. Who will they be? I figure a FA, One of Hodgson or Stevenson and a roookie by the third rd. Might be a couple upgrades and a downgrade….It would be awesome news to hear Davis extended…. So… I kind of agree with you… Davis is a fine player but there are still question marks as we have used Davis fantastically. Having so many weapons we get Davis lost in the defense….I don’t know how good he is beating one on one hard coverage by a #2 CB….or, I don’t know at least… Go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Yes we do. And his name is Duke Williams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 hours ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. yes you are wrong, and obviously not a reader, because no one around here is saying the Bills need to get someone to keep Davis off the field. People are rightly arguing for letting Beasley walk and getting someone to replace him in the slot. Honestly if you can point to a single post hating on Davis and positing for a starting WR ahead of him I would be shocked. He has received universal praise here (for good reason.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 That's a pipeline we'll want to keep full. Keep bringing in young guys to develop. We're going to pay Diggs big money. We might not be able to afford another big contract in that position group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLieve85 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This topic had been discussed ad nauseam. Draft WR at 25, trade for DK/ Lockett, sign overpriced FA. Yes we need depth especially with the number of targets walking out the door. But, and big but I don’t see mentioned. This offense runs through JA17. He’s going to elevate whoever is next to Diggs and Davis. Which is the OPs point. All this talk about needing more weapons, but then needing IOL, pass rush, corner next to Tre etc. Keep JA17 upright, and guys will step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Break it down by targets. With Beasley, Sanders, and Mckenzie gone that opens up 210 targets if we use last year. Let's say Davis is WR2 and eats up 50 of those remaining targets. That puts him around 115 targets next year. Knox could eat up another 25 targets putting him around 100 targets next season. That still leaves 135 targets! You see my point. We're a passing offense. We have a lot of targets to go around. Bill total targets: 443 Diggs 164 (5th most targeted WR1) Beasely 112 (3rd most targeted WR2) Sanders 72 (3rd most targeted WR3) Davis 63 (11th most targeted WR3) McKenzie 26 (Unrated) Knox 71 (20th most targeted TE1) Sweeney 12 (29th most targeted TE2) Singletary 50 (13th most RB1 targets) Moss 26 (17th most RB2 targets) Breida 9 (23rd most RB3 targets) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 hours ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. Not only we need to address a WR in the free agency I hope we draft another stud WR in the first round , I don’t care if Gabe Davis is WR 2 , 3 , or 4 we need to give Josh weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 WR, CB are biggest needs on Bills right now, (well P too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 hours ago, nucci said: we ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. Doubt that changes. Beasley and Sanders gone so we do need WRs The bills ran a lot of three wr sets but few 4 wr sets. Davis was #4 and had a hard time getting snaps. With the cap position and other needs it is reasonable to say davis should be opposite Diggs and another sanders type signing is not needed. Don’t get me wrong more talent is better but there are lots of needs and limited resources. Slot is another thing. If you don’t have Beasley or McKenzie the. Something must be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Pete said: WR, CB are biggest needs on Bills right now, (well P too) DT also. 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yeah, miss me with the Berrios and Andy Isabella obsessions. I don't get it. Isabella no. Berrios is a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 53 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said: The bills ran a lot of three wr sets but few 4 wr sets. Davis was #4 and had a hard time getting snaps. With the cap position and other needs it is reasonable to say davis should be opposite Diggs and another sanders type signing is not needed. Don’t get me wrong more talent is better but there are lots of needs and limited resources. Slot is another thing. If you don’t have Beasley or McKenzie the. Something must be done. Sanders, Beasley and McKenzie most likely gone. This is a passing offense . We need more WRs, Davis will be opposite Diggs but expect a signing of Kirk or similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This thinking of - all we need are 2 WR’s and a slot - is outdated, sort of like the conventional defensive thinking of just needing 2 Cb’s and 2 safeties. The game has evolved to more wide open style of play, not to mention that Josh Allen is the best offensive weapon from the QB position the Bills have ever had. It only makes sense to surround him as much as you can with capable weapons. Josh is the multiplier, he makes everyone around him better, the better the talent around him the higher the ceiling the team’s offense can achieve. Also, what happens if either Diggs or Gabe goes down with an injury, then what? The team will be much better served with another dynamic receiving option. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I'm totally expecting the Bills to draft a WR just not in Round 1....possibly 2nd or 3rd. This class of receivers is very deep, they could get a guy in the 2nd that could come in and contribute right away. Gabe Davis could be a solid #2 but we need to add another good receiver to the room either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 They may not need a #2, but why not entertain the idea? You can never have too many weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 10 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: its ridiculous. ppl think bc hes small and white that hes the next welker/edelman/beasley. hell hes not even on brandon stokleys level. he stinks. Well that was racist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Cinci is the new model. Their top three WR's caught 222 balls for 3374 yards. our top 3 caught 227 for 2544. Bills need to feel the need for speed. Diggs runs a 4.46, Chase a 4.34. Need a threat to take the top off of the defense, Davis can be our "Big" receiver, but still need someone who runs in the low 4.3's to keep defenses honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 hours ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. And what is AFTER Diggs and Davis??? Yes WR is a need and actually a pretty big one for the type of offense we run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This is a passing offense that makes heavy use of multiple WR sets. They need more than two that can play. I fully expect them to take a WR in the first two rounds plus another later on and they may sign a decent stopgap veteran as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Someone say Lockett ? oh hell yea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 12 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I've had high hopes for Davis since coming off his rookie year. The Chiefs game really cemented those feelings. Guy has every tool to be a DOMINANT receiver and I fully expect him to take the next step this season. He should've started over Sanders from the very beginning. I totally agree with this statement, and would still be all for adding another WR in free agency 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And what is AFTER Diggs and Davis??? Yes WR is a need and actually a pretty big one for the type of offense we run. I never said it wasn’t a need. I just don’t expect the Bills to go spend big money on a player such as Kirk. I think we will bring in a mid level veteran on a one year contract then draft a receiver. I also think Stevenson could be a surprise player this year with his speed. He showed well in the preseason last year before his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, BuffBills51 said: I never said it wasn’t a need. I just don’t expect the Bills to go spend big money on a player such as Kirk. I think we will bring in a mid level veteran on a one year contract then draft a receiver. I also think Stevenson could be a surprise player this year with his speed. He showed well in the preseason last year before his injury. Out of curiosity, what is it from Stevenson that you see that you believe could be that surprise player? Is it just his speed or anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, nucci said: Sanders, Beasley and McKenzie most likely gone. This is a passing offense . We need more WRs, Davis will be opposite Diggs but expect a signing of Kirk or similar Yeah, pretty much what I said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Per the NY Post Jets WR Braxton Berrios is going to test the market. Any interest. With Beasley most likely gone and Sanders probably retiring this could be a decent signing that probably wouldn't break the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Greg S said: Per the NY Post Jets WR Braxton Berrios is going to test the market. Any interest. With Beasley most likely gone and Sanders probably retiring this could be a decent signing that probably wouldn't break the bank. probably interest but seems like they'll try to sign Kirk first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 Kirk is projected to get a top 20 contract. I just don’t see the Bills putting that much money into another receiver when we have other large needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 We have the premier QB in the NFL on the early side of his prime years. Our offense passes at the highest rate in the NFL KC and GB have seen the limitations coming from average 2,3,4 WR's around, arguably, their first ballot HOF QB's I am a Gabe truther but we still need more firepower to see how far we can go with Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Kirk is so much better than Berrios. It isn’t even close. so who gets cut to pay for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, Magox said: Out of curiosity, what is it from Stevenson that you see that you believe could be that surprise player? Is it just his speed or anything else? Stevenson had one of the best 3 cone drills in the combine for a receiver. He is raw but with the right coaching he has good speed and agility that could allow him to become a weapon. In limited preseason action he showed that he could get separation albeit against backups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Kirk is so much better than Berrios. It isn’t even close. He is but the Bills only have so much $$$$ to spend. You could get decent production from Berrios at a reasonable cost. The Bills have more pressing needs(DL/CB) than WR to use that money on. From what I've read this is also a deep draft as far as WR's go. Edited March 10, 2022 by Greg S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Another name to keep an eye on is Jamison Crowder. He could be had on a likely 2-3 year contract and would be less than Kirk but has similar stats with subpar quarterback play. Crowder stats: 2021- 51 rec 447 yards 2 td 2020- 59 rec 699 yards 6 td 2019- 78 rec 833 yards 6 td Kirk Stats: 2021- 77 rec 982 yards 5td 2020- 48 rec 621 yards 6td 2019- 68 rec 709 yards 3td Edited March 10, 2022 by BuffBills51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 13 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Kirk is so much better than Berrios. It isn’t even close. Berrios gives us some return skills though. I like both tbh. Yet I think Crowder be the cheapest of the 3 options presented and go for him and draft a kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, BuffBills51 said: I could be wrong but I think the Bills have a guy ready to completely breakout next year in Gabe Davis. I keep seeing the DK, the Kirk, and Lockhett threads. I agree they have done more up to this point in their careers but Davis has all the tools to be a high level number 2. Gabe’s last 6 game as a starter including the post season he had 26 catches and 8 touchdowns. He is only due to make around a million dollars next year which would be an extremely cheap number two receiver and give the Bills the flexibility to go after larger needs. I don’t see the Bills making any moves other than potentially picking up a slot guy this off season because we have our stud number 2 receiver. I know Kirk is a slot receiver, not sure if Lockett is also. Since it's likely Cole Beasley won't be back then I think it's a need. Gabe Davis is our #2 for sure but I really like Jameson Crowder in the slot and maybe resign Emmanuel Sanders who gave us solid depth also. Edited March 10, 2022 by BuffaloBillsGospel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: so who gets cut to pay for him They are already there. Beasley, Klein, Feliciano more than makes up for the salary. The cap is so extremely manageable. 17 minutes ago, BuffBills51 said: Another name to keep an eye is Jamison Crowder. He could be had on a likely 2-3 year contract and would be less than Kirk but has similar stats with subpar quarterback play. Crowder stats: 2021- 51 rec 447 yards 2 td 2020- 59 rec 699 yards 6 td 2019- 78 rec 833 yards 6 td Kirk Stats: 2021- 77 rec 982 yards 5td 2020- 48 rec 621 yards 6td 2019- 68 rec 709 yards 3td I am not a Crowder guy. He is essentially just Beasley. Kirk adds a different dynamic imo. 12 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Berrios gives us some return skills though. I like both tbh. Yet I think Crowder be the cheapest of the 3 options presented and go for him and draft a kid. Typically, once you pay guys like Berrios, you don't use them on returns anymore. If he is their starting slot, they will not use him to return punts and kicks. I don't think he is a special player honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills51 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: They are already there. Beasley, Klein, Feliciano more than makes up for the salary. The cap is so extremely manageable. I am not a Crowder guy. He is essentially just Beasley. Kirk adds a different dynamic imo. I agree Kirk is a much more dynamic player. I just don’t see the Bills paying the salary he is going to demand. How about Russell Gage as an alternative? He won’t command as much as Kirk, but would be more than Crowder. He has shown playmaking ability with the Falcons in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, BuffBills51 said: Stevenson had one of the best 3 cone drills in the combine for a receiver. He is raw but with the right coaching he has good speed and agility that could allow him to become a weapon. In limited preseason action he showed that he could get separation albeit against backups. I can't speak to his cone drill, but I agree that he has great speed. In the little I saw him play, however, he seems to be a little "stiff" and he has a long injury history. It would be great if he stayed healthy and broke out, but I'm not confident that it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: yes you are wrong, and obviously not a reader, because no one around here is saying the Bills need to get someone to keep Davis off the field. People are rightly arguing for letting Beasley walk and getting someone to replace him in the slot. Honestly if you can point to a single post hating on Davis and positing for a starting WR ahead of him I would be shocked. He has received universal praise here (for good reason.) I'll put a little note of caution here. Just as McKenzie had a fantastic Week 17 2020 game against the Dolphins (playing man and heading for the bus) and against the Patriots (playing man and letting him run away from them), Davis had a super-fantastic game against the Chiefs when they had a plan to shut down Diggs, shut down Beasley, contain Knox, and let anyone else beat them. Just as those two fantastic games don't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that McKenzie could take over for Beasley in the slot and do everything Beasley can, Davis amazeball game against the Chiefs (and a couple other fantastic games he had) don't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Davis is ready to be our #2. He could be. But there have also been games where he's dropped passes (Ravens playoff, dropped a touchdown pass, Jags game etc) that would have been difference making plays. I thought the Bills gave Sanders too many snaps for too much of the season at Davis expense, but we also have to realize there may have been a reason for that. Davis is a talented young player, but he still needs to take a step to become that full-time #2. He needs to improve his mid-50s catch % - yes, there are games where he Owns Toe Drag Swag, and part of the low % is being asked to run deep routs and make the tough sideline grabs, but there are also catchable balls that he doesn't haul in. IMHO the Bills need to hedge their bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: They are already there. Beasley, Klein, Feliciano more than makes up for the salary. The cap is so extremely manageable. I am not a Crowder guy. He is essentially just Beasley. Kirk adds a different dynamic imo. Typically, once you pay guys like Berrios, you don't use them on returns anymore. If he is their starting slot, they will not use him to return punts and kicks. I don't think he is a special player honestly. If we could get another Beasley, I would be very happy to have that as the slot receiver. Kirk, yes he adds dynamism and would certainly represent an upgrade at this juncture in Beasley's career, but having someone who knows how to be a trusted receiver to make big catches in big moments and move the sticks the way Beasley has done over the past few years has been tremendous for both Josh Allen's development and for the efficiency on our offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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