Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Couple division titles and 3 straight playoffs/3 playoff wins People don't understand how hard it is to reach the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees did it just once. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 lightmyfirelightmyfirelightmyfire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I played it at a relatively high level and have been coaching the position at the varsity level for 14 years. I can talk about hand placement, steps, leverage all that stuff. I’ve been at clinics studying Mouse McNally, Pat Flaherty, and whole host of college guys. I’m not an ego guy, but I know line play. I’m a Feliciano hater, so not trying to come off as a jerk, but I am not a fan. For culture and stuff? Sure. But ability? Nah. I don't think anyone would try to argue you that he's a top OL talent - he's not Brandon Scherff or Wyatt Teller, or Ali Marpet. But what does "suck" mean, really? I would put him as a lower-third starter whose positional flexibility gives him a bit of a bonus. Would you really want to argue that, say , Greg Van Roten, or Dan Feeney, or Justin McCray (to name a few guards of a similar age and experience range) are better? That's the point a couple of us are making - that Feliciano seems to slot into a tier of veteran OLmen who aren't top talent, but who play well enough to slot into that $2-$3.5M a year vet minimum range, well over vet minimum. The fact that FA almost always get overpaid plays into it. 44 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I am interested to see how it goes in terms of what he gets paid. I think he definitely becomes a NYG but there are waiver wire guys who are just as good as him imo. Maybe. I think Bobby Johnson over-valued him because of the help getting buy-in on his technique and because of that "positional flexibility", so it wouldn't at all surprise me to see him go to the Giants. I think there may be a couple of teams interested and he'll get something like $2.5M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Didn’t he drop 30 pounds for no reason last offseason. Makes you wonder if he’d have had a better year at a higher weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Didn’t he drop 30 pounds for no reason last offseason. Makes you wonder if he’d have had a better year at a higher weight. He is what he is. A serviceable, replacement level guard with a fun personality and terrible pizza takes Edited March 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, MWK said: Good riddance! Was terribly overrated by bills fans for being “tough.” He is not starter quality. He was for a couple of years. The team played visibly worse when they took him off the field. But last year he absolutely got worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Didn’t he drop 30 pounds for no reason last offseason. Makes you wonder if he’d have had a better year at a higher weight. He lost weight and reportedly the Bills hadn't asked him to, yeah. I vaguely recall that in one or another interview he indicated it was his agents' idea to make him faster or something. Spoiler it didn't, and he lost the advantage of Mass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 51 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I played it at a relatively high level and have been coaching the position at the varsity level for 14 years. I can talk about hand placement, steps, leverage all that stuff. I’ve been at clinics studying Mouse McNally, Pat Flaherty, and whole host of college guys. I’m not an ego guy, but I know line play. I’m a Feliciano hater, so not trying to come off as a jerk, but I am not a fan. For culture and stuff? Sure. But ability? Nah. Well that's fine, but it is 100% certain that Feliciano is way better than you, so I'm not sure how you can say that he sucks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 By my count. About 7 more players to have their contracts addressed via cuts, trade, retirement or pay cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, MJS said: What does it mean to be an oline guy? He likes the fatties. I'm not judging, just saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, MJS said: What does it mean to be an oline guy? Head of line to be offensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People don't understand how hard it is to reach the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees did it just once. Seriously it’s beyond frustrating and blows my minds. It’s not easy do cause one little thing can knock you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: He’ll get a job somewhere Yes, all indications are that he is employable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 He had cool tattoos and a cool nickname. That’s about it. Good luck in your future endeavors. 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: He’ll get a job somewhere Bouncer at the Sundowner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I was not a fan when he re-signed last year.. I thought they could have got someone better for similar money... He got worse every year he was here in hindsight... Although he seemed like a fun guy and hope he finds another team.. Im sure someone will pay him $2m a year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, junior said: So who's right?! Correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Rico said: Happy trails Mongo. He may have much maligned near the end of his tenure, but he far exceeded my expectations from when he first signed as a FA. Exactly my feelings. He stepped up when the line completely sucked and gave it some attitude. Things have improved (and he may have declined a bit) to the point where he's not really a guy this team needs. Certainly not at his salary. Maybe he can go help another team become respectable. Good luck, you freak. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, MJS said: Well that's fine, but it is 100% certain that Feliciano is way better than you, so I'm not sure how you can say that he sucks. Peterman is a better qb than me, can I critique his time with the Bills? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said: Peterman is a better qb than me, can I critique his time with the Bills? You aren't claiming to be a QB guy with all this playing and coaching experience as a basis for your criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, MWK said: Good riddance! Was terribly overrated by bills fans for being “tough.” He is not starter quality. 3 years for 14.4 mil Apparently someone other than Bills fans thought he was a tough, starter quality guard. You're right as far as good riddance. Just because he was better than the trash that was in place doesn't make him a starting caliber player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I played it at a relatively high level and have been coaching the position at the varsity level for 14 years. I can talk about hand placement, steps, leverage all that stuff. I’ve been at clinics studying Mouse McNally, Pat Flaherty, and whole host of college guys. I’m not an ego guy, but I know line play. I’m a Feliciano hater, so not trying to come off as a jerk, but I am not a fan. For culture and stuff? Sure. But ability? Nah. Morse was pretty good imo. And Brown was super up and down, but you could see the potential there. Williams was meh. It think that is where the upgrade comes. I think he becomes a high quality backup to whoever replaces him. Feliciano def helped change the culture for sure. But now it’s time to add talent to get this team over the hump. Williams is meh, which is why he will be cut or restructured. No way he stays at that cap number, playing guard, and playing at an average level. You are one of the few people I respect on here when it comes to oline takes. I played oline into college. Some people get it, others don’t. Feliciano was a great teammate but a below average talent. Bills moved past his level of play with the talent they have now. Edited March 10, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Not surprised. The Bills needed cap space and he was an obvious cut candidate. I wish him well. I’m sure he’ll get a job somewhere. He’s definitely better than some of the o linemen that started games in the NFL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, eball said: Yes, all indications are that he is employable. I just hope he doesn’t leave any streaks on my windshield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: By my count. About 7 more players to have their contracts addressed via cuts, trade, retirement or pay cuts. Could be. This is the key point: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/brandon-beane-bills-about-6-6m-over-2022-salary-cap-as-new-league-year-approaches/article_3765aa48-9ef7-11ec-81f8-9379c277e842.html According to Beane (must be some internal Bills recordkeeping that Spotrac and Overthecap haven't caught up with), the Bills were $6.6M over the cap with the new league year By releasing Klein ($5.1M) and Feliciano ($3.4M), the Bills now have $1.9M cap space. Yep, they need to do more as they currently don't even have enough space to put a right-of-first-refusal tender on Bates or Zimmer: Right of First Refusal: $2,433,000 Original-Round Tender: $2,540,000 Second-Round Tender: $3,986,000 First-Round Tender: $5,432,000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 It's going to be tough for marginal players to stick with this team. It's sad, but it's a good thing that the required level of performance is so high that merely good players won't be retained. Mongo will find another team for which his level of performance is better than what they have already, and he'll get more money than the Bills were willing or able to pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: 3 years for 14.4 mil Apparently someone other than Bills fans thought he was a tough, starter quality guard. Not to pick on you but I'd like to use this as an example of how NFL contracts can sound big and lengthy and not amount to "all that". Per Spotrac Contract: 3 yr(s) / $14,400,000Signing Bonus $2,250,000Average Salary$4,800,000GTD at Sign:$4,400,000Total GTD:$4,400,000Free Agent: Feliciano received $4.4M guaranteed consisting of a $750k signing bonus last season, $1.5M amortized into 2022, and $2.15M guaranteed salary last season. It was touted as a 3 yr, $14.4M contract, but it was really a 1 year, $4.4M contract with the cap hit lowered by paying $2.9M last season and $1.5M this season. That made him something like the 27th or 28th highest paid guard in AAV, and if we were paying him as a C the 16th or 17th highest paid C. IOW, he pretty much got paid like what he was - an average starting guard with the ability to play C. Fair deal for both parties (look at some of the other guys who are paid in that range), but not nearly the great contract it sounded like. And with 5 days until the tampering period and 7 days until the start of the league New Year, time to move on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) The title of this thread should have been: Feliciano Release-ianoed!!😃 Edited March 10, 2022 by Special K 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Feliciano was a great guy and character but below average. Beane and McD will be rebuilding both lines int his off season. Looking forward to the first phase which is FA period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 He had a pretty bad year, I’m sure he’ll land on his feet. I’m curious about Williams…he too had a pretty bad year and got shuffled around a lot (and lost his starting RT job to a raw rookie). My guess is they offer him a pay cut with the understanding that he is a guard now and he takes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, Nitro said: great guy and character He was indeed a “character” and by all accounts seemed be a good teammate. Not my cup ‘o tea with his anti-vax and political takes, but diff’rent strokes… At the end of the day his level of play dropped precipitously, and that’s really all I care about as a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, MJS said: Well that's fine, but it is 100% certain that Feliciano is way better than you, so I'm not sure how you can say that he sucks. Yep for sure better than me, at football for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not to pick on you but I'd like to use this as an example of how NFL contracts can sound big and lengthy and not amount to "all that". Per Spotrac Contract: 3 yr(s) / $14,400,000Signing Bonus $2,250,000Average Salary$4,800,000GTD at Sign:$4,400,000Total GTD:$4,400,000Free Agent: Feliciano received $4.4M guaranteed consisting of a $750k signing bonus last season, $1.5M amortized into 2022, and $2.15M guaranteed salary last season. It was touted as a 3 yr, $14.4M contract, but it was really a 1 year, $4.4M contract with the cap hit lowered by paying $2.9M last season and $1.5M this season. That made him something like the 27th or 28th highest paid guard in AAV, and if we were paying him as a C the 16th or 17th highest paid C. IOW, he pretty much got paid like what he was - an average starting guard with the ability to play C. Fair deal for both parties (look at some of the other guys who are paid in that range), but not nearly the great contract it sounded like. And with 5 days until the tampering period and 7 days until the start of the league New Year, time to move on. That's good stuff Hap. I actually appreciate the clarity. Most fans including myself will only go by the face value of a contract. Not many like yourself will do a deep dive into the logistics like amortization and length. If he had played to the level that earned him that deal instead of pooping the bed it would've been digestible. But alas, its time for Mongo to ride off into the sunset. Happy Trails!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Couple division titles and 3 straight playoffs/3 playoff wins that's great but is it special? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Seriously it’s beyond frustrating and blows my minds. It’s not easy do cause one little thing can knock you out. On the other hand, the Patriots went to the Super Bowl 9 times over the 17 years they had Brady starting at QB. More than 50% of the time. Edited March 10, 2022 by vincec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 He was horrible last year. Now get rid of Beasely, Edmunds, and Addison and I'm good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I just hope he doesn’t leave any streaks on my windshield 🤔 ?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Bummer, he was a real BMF at one point. I wish him all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: And just like that, under the cap Yes, but barely, with a lot more to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Could be. This is the key point: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/brandon-beane-bills-about-6-6m-over-2022-salary-cap-as-new-league-year-approaches/article_3765aa48-9ef7-11ec-81f8-9379c277e842.html According to Beane (must be some internal Bills recordkeeping that Spotrac and Overthecap haven't caught up with), the Bills were $6.6M over the cap with the new league year By releasing Klein ($5.1M) and Feliciano ($3.4M), the Bills now have $1.9M cap space. Yep, they need to do more as they currently don't even have enough space to put a right-of-first-refusal tender on Bates or Zimmer: Right of First Refusal: $2,433,000 Original-Round Tender: $2,540,000 Second-Round Tender: $3,986,000 First-Round Tender: $5,432,000 Second round tender for Bates not Zimmer. Bates is by far more valuable. I could see Bates get a multi-year deal, he showed was starting caliber at a position of need. Zimmer is ok, but I don’t see anyone fighting for his services after the injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Clearly we needed an upgrade at LG, but it's too bad we couldn't afford to keep him as 1st man off the bench at C or G. He'll get paid though. There are many teams with worse starting G's than Jon. His attitude and enthusiasm will be missed and will serve him well even after he hangs up his cleats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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