Rumor- Harrison Phillips not coming back

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Please.  Do you not remember the free agent signings that are announced in minutes after they are eligible?

Well there is a now 2 day legal tampering period where you can do those things. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but id assume it’s not happening with the likes of a borderline role player that most people outside of Bills fans have never heard of. The only way that he can know he’s not coming back Is if the Bills told him they don’t want him. No way another team has this guy pegged enough to have him locked up 9 days before the legal tampering period. He’s just not that good.

[without a drought]

When I talked to Harrison's former kindergarten teacher's aunt's neighbor,  she said he was going to take a wait and see approach.

 

[MJS]

He doesn't sound like a good friend if he is going around showing personal texts to strangers.

[Kwai San]

7 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

His contract dictates his salary be paid over 17 games, in equal payments. He and the team fulfilled that. The reason you don’t see activity until March is the collectively bargained start to free agency in mid March, with the exception of players not achieving service turn requirements.

 

Entertain me quick. Point A to Point B to off the cliff. If you’re Harry. What do you do? Sure this thread is mainly rumor, and the OP may not have substantiated, but nothing I said can be denied based on history. Appreciate your questioning of my reading comprehension, I see we’re back to being a**hats to each other here

 

21 whopping posts and you say THAT???  Methinks there is more to you than what you are letting on to.

 

Anyone else notice that after the initial LAMP and one follow up post by @wiseman3 he disappeared and now we have @BILLieve85 with 21 posts backing up this nonsense???

 

Mods???

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

4 pages Did anyone actually look into what or why?

it’s from Rumblings so grain of salt 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2022/2/7/22917010/contract-projection-for-bills-free-agent-dt-harrison-phillips

 

We start with his linemate, Star Lotulelei. Phillips passed him on the depth chart this season—per general manager Brandon Beane it was for COVID-related problems. Either way, if the Bills are going to keep Phillips, it’s likely going to be at the expense of Lotulelei.

 

I’m sure losing Star won’t upset a lot of people 

 

The Bills will only save significant cap cutting Lotulelei if they cut him post-June 1 ($4.1M).  Cutting him early would save roster bonus etc but not free up the cap space until after June 1.   Since the Bills won't save significant cap by cutting Lotulelei unless they cut him post-June 1 (in which case they can't use the cap savings until....post-June 1), and since McDermott loves him his DL rotation which needs at least 2 1TDTs, this viewpoint makes no sense to me.

 

Sheldon Rankins is an interesting contract comparable.  His 2 years previous to signing with the Jets saw him play 10 and 12 games.  Harry played 12 and 14 games.

Malcom Brown missed games as well, but only 1 season  prior to his contract (played 13 games)

 

My guess is that like Milano, Phillips wants to wait until closer to FA to see what his market elsewhere may be, but the GMs who are talking to his agent in the bar are just spit-balling at this point and aren't getting into the gritty details that matter, like how much is fully guaranteed and when.

 

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

He doesn't sound like a good friend if he is going around showing personal texts to strangers.

 

This.  Especially personal texts that could open Phillips agent and the other team to chargers of tampering.

 

I don't believe in the OP or the tooth fairy.  But my kid did used to find silver dollars under her pillow (inflation)

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

I'm actually going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt on this one because I once met Kyle Williams best friend at Gabriel's Gate the night before a Bills game

(Being 100% serious even though this probably comes off as a Snarky post)

 

The night before a game makes sense.  What is his best friend doing in Buffalo in the beginning of March?  Helping him move out before FA even starts?

[Joe Mama]

Harry is viewed as a JAG (just a guy) around the league. Have not seen him listed on any top 100 UFA lists. His price should be reasonable.

[Big Turk]

11 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Met Harrison's best friend out in Buffalo tonight...showed texts to prove that he will not be coming back in free agency. I don't expect anyone to really believe this, but you'll just have to believe me haha. He will not be a Bill next year

 

What did they say?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

11 hours ago, Big C said:

OK but if this is real, what are his reasons?

 

The Bills have several young players that are not in position to take home team discount offers. Harrison could be one. McKenzie is the other obvious one. I would like both back but I wouldn't blame either for trying to get their money now. Each would likely be going after what might end up being the largest contract of their career. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

And look at FAs who sign 1 year prove it deals. Each team is biased to their own players, but if Harry is good (which he is when healthy) why would he take below market value and/or extra length to stay with the Bills to play 55% of snaps. 
 

Also, view this from his perspective. He has one chance, as is this chance, to get paid. No way he doesn’t test the market, even if the Bills offer market value (which honestly with the cap, is like $8-$10 million, depending on length). Look at DeVondre Campbell going from ATL to GB, yes different position, but this happens more than you care to admit. This is the one downside to our system, guys wanna play and not rotate as it leads to injury and such. Harry will have demand. 

 

I don't follow this.  Are you saying DLmen don't want to rotate because rotation leads to injury?

 

What is the average # of snaps played by a NT or 1TDT around the league?  Tyson Alualu played 40-47% the 2 years before last season.  Vita Vea played 56%. A'Shawn Robinson played 44%, Greg Gaines 67%.

 

I think around the league, most team rotate 1TDT/NT even if they have a monster like Aaron Donald next to them.

 

The Bills do offer 2 year contracts, they just usually structure them to look more like 3 year contracts.

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Everyone knows Harrison Phillips best friend is Kyle Williams. 
 

You are out parting with Kyle Williams?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

He is not under contract. And tampering? Seriously? Do you know and have a direct line to Harry? As in you know what type of person he is? He owes us nothing and has every right to test the market. Does where you work have exclusive rights to your employment? That’s what you’re implying.

 

Dude, please educate yourself if you're going to talk on these topics.

1) NFL teams do, indeed, own the exclusive rights to their players employment while the player is under contract.  That's part of what makes NFL contracts unique, so bringing up "where you work" is irrelevant

2) The player's contract does not terminate when the season is over.  The contract remains in force until the start of the new league year March 16th

    a) exception is the two day "legal tampering" period starting March 14th

3) During the contracted period, it is considered "tampering" for other teams to talk to that player or his agent about terms of a contract with them

 

Seriously.  These are all real NFL rules, agreed to  by the NFLPA.

 

That said, the league can't stop player agents from chatting up GMs and FO guys from other teams in restaurants and bars at the Senior Bowl and Combine and etc.  And "spitballing" about contracts for the players those agents represent occurs, we all know that. But not all of those discussions result in contracts presented on March 14th, and not all of those contracts have favorable terms in the details. 

 

And smart people do not leave a discoverable paper or SMS trail.  If you write #s on a cocktail napkin, you stick it in your pocket and toss it in a trash can on the way back to your hotel.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm sure one by one they're approaching their FA's and telling them what they're willing to pay. Take it or leave it.  Harry's a nice player but nothing that we can't replace. Draft Wyatt or Jones day 2.  I think Harry, Zimmer and Butler are all gone.

 

I agree with you to a point, not sure it's really take it or leave it in the case of someone like Phillips.  In some cases it may be a final offer by the team.  But with Phillips there likely is some back and forth, but could be they are so far apart, he (and the Bills) figures no way this will get done.  Or on about March 14th we'll hear they resigned him. 

 

I think they need to draft a guy, but this team is in a win now mode so not so sure I want to depend too much on rookies particularly on the D line as takes some time to develop.  IMO CB, RB, and some O-line rookies can come in and look very good.  Other positions usually takes some time.

[Joe Mama]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And smart people do not leave a discoverable paper or SMS trail.  If you write #s on a cocktail napkin, you stick it in your pocket and toss it in a trash can on the way back to your hotel.

Like the old trick of leaving your resume on the copy machine at work?

[MiltonWaddams]

I think Harrison’s best friend is his wife. She could me my best friend if not. Hubba hubba.

[Simon Says]

11 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol yeah like I said I don't expect anyone to believe me. But sounds like he'll be accepting another offer

We don't know  you and have no reason to believe  an anonymous rumor. If/when you are proven wrong you'll probably change your screen name to avoid harassment 

[Simon Says]

9 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Incorrect. His contract ends at the end at of the 2021 league year, the league year ends on March 15. There's really nothing of substance in your post here other than some nonsense about him doing what's right for his family, which literally no one has argued against. I don't think reading comprehension is your thing and you seem to just be looking for an argument. My point is that I don't believe the OP, I don't think his comment is truthful for several reasons including, but not limited to the reasons I offered. My argument went from Point A, looking at the original post, to Point B, my response. Your argument goes from Point B to a picture of a banana jumping off a cliff, it makes zero sense and for some reason employs emotional argument. Also, it's weird to quote something that I didn't say in your response and isn't even close to the substance of what I wrote. 

 

Well said

[ProcessAccepted]

Is there any truth to the rumor that Harrison's best friend is the same dude that hangs out with Nicki Minaj's cousin

[MJS]

9 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

He is not under contract. And tampering? Seriously? Do you know and have a direct line to Harry? As in you know what type of person he is? He owes us nothing and has every right to test the market. Does where you work have exclusive rights to your employment? That’s what you’re implying. He’s a good player, and would love to have him back, but also understand as a 3rd round pick and injury history, he’s doing what’s best for him and his family and not “our Bills family”

 

 

He IS currently under contract with the Bills until the new league year. The Bills DO have exclusive rights to him until the new league year.

 

He DOES NOT have any right whatsoever to test the market right now, until the new league year and his contract is up (except the two day legal tampering period, that is).

 

This is basic stuff.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I think Harrison’s best friend is his wife. She could me my best friend if not. Hubba hubba.

 

Def. cleans up good! 

 

What always amazes me in these pictures is how Josh Allen (6'5") manages to look the same size or shorter than guys like Harrison (6'3")

 

 

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

Here's what some of you are missing.  IF there's any truth to the OP, it might have nothing to do with tampering.  Say you're working in a city far from home & you just want to get closer to home.  So you're thinking, if I can get a job closer to home, I'm moving. Also, maybe he really likes another city even if he's never lived there & is hoping to get an offer from a team there.  He may even be willing to go for less money, regardless of what the Bills have offered.  Phillips may have a location in mind with no idea whether any team near there will want him or not.  Robert Woods wanted to go home & there was no way he was coming back if he could play in LA.  Nobody ever accused the Rams of tampering when Woods signed with them.  Maybe Harry wants to play in NY & thinks Daboll will want him.  Nobody knows yet and that may include Harry himself.  

[transient]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Def. cleans up good! 

 

What always amazes me in these pictures is how Josh Allen (6'5") manages to look the same size or shorter than guys like Harrison (6'3")

 

 

 

 

At least in this picture, it looks like Allen is wearing a loafer while Philips is wearing a shoe with a solid block heal. Depending on my shoe, I’m 5’11”-~6’1”. 

[klos63]

12 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol yeah like I said I don't expect anyone to believe me. But sounds like he'll be accepting another offer

an offer he hasn't received yet.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, without a drought said:

When I talked to Harrison's former kindergarten teacher's aunt's neighbor,  she said he was going to take a wait and see approach.

 

 

My neighbor's boyfriend's Parrot Walker thinks he's always wanted to live in Florida so he'll accept a bucket of beachballs and some candy to play for the Jags.

[CNY315]

That was an excerpt from my upcoming novel. I let him read a few pages and he ran with it

[Ross Murdock]

Amazing how many Bills posters get willingly bamboozled into responding to idiotic, totally unproven click-bait headlines. Is life really that boring you need to respond to this nonsense? If your really bored here you go - I hear Josh Allen's arm has been transplanted on Tom Brady's body to extend his career. Any takers?    

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Amazing how many Bills posters get willingly bamboozled into responding to idiotic, totally unproven click-bait headlines. Is life really that boring you need to respond to this nonsense? If your really bored here you go - I hear Josh Allen's arm has been transplanted on Tom Brady's body to extend his career. Any takers?    

 

 

But....you just responded in the totally unproven click-bait headline thread. Everything ok with you today, friend?

[Paul Costa]

2 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Amazing how many Bills posters get willingly bamboozled into responding to idiotic, totally unproven click-bait headlines. Is life really that boring you need to respond to this nonsense? If your really bored here you go - I hear Josh Allen's arm has been transplanted on Tom Brady's body to extend his career. Any takers?    

 

 

This is so true and I’m guilty as charged. There called emotions. When I first saw this I reacted immediately. No way, this is made up. Of course it is. Anyone that is around an athlete and is really in his inner circle isn’t drunk in a bar spouting these things even if they were true. What would the said best friend being getting out of this? Absolutely nothing. But I reacted before thinking 🤔. The joke is on me 😂

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I thought they can’t cut Star  with that contract and the 7.7 dead cap. Since he opted out the covid year, the end of his deal did not coincide with Harry’s FA year the way Beane planned. He could retire though. Technically they could cut him but only save 1.5 on the cap, would be cheaper to keep him as a backup. 

🤷‍♀️ 
I did remark on it bring Rumblings. 
 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Is there any truth to the rumor that Harrison's best friend is the same dude that hangs out with Nicki Minaj's cousin

LMAO

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

If the Bills release Lotulelei, they can save about $4.25 million, and if they can trade him, Buffalo can recoup $6.8 million, per Buffalo Fanatics.
 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/star-lotulelei-contract-cut-return/amp/

[Talleywhacker]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

He doesn't sound like a good friend if he is going around showing personal texts to strangers.

Actually I think the guy meant that his good friend worked at Harrison Radiator and theyre pulling out of Lockport.

I wonder if that rumor will have a 6 page thread as fast as this one did ?

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm sure one by one they're approaching their FA's and telling them what they're willing to pay. Take it or leave it.  Harry's a nice player but nothing that we can't replace. Draft Wyatt or Jones day 2.  I think Harry, Zimmer and Butler are all gone.

Wyatt won’t make it to Day 2.  I don’t know if he even makes it to 25. 

[Doc]

Let’s find out first if the Mitch Morris is retiring rumor is true, shall we?

[Albany,n.y.]

26 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Amazing how many Bills posters get willingly bamboozled into responding to idiotic, totally unproven click-bait headlines. Is life really that boring you need to respond to this nonsense? If your really bored here you go - I hear Josh Allen's arm has been transplanted on Tom Brady's body to extend his career. Any takers?    

 

 

Isn't every mock draft before late April nothing more than a click-bait article?  There are plenty of mock drafts before free agency, trades, etc.  Without knowing who is on the roster close to the draft, a mock draft is as worthless as any other wild rumor.  So, every time someone responds to a mock draft this time of year, they are bamboozled into responding to nonsense.  

5 minutes ago, Talleywhacker said:

Actually I think the guy meant that his good friend worked at Harrison Radiator and theyre pulling out of Lockport.

I wonder if that rumor will have a 6 page thread as fast as this one did ?

So if Harry moves he's taking his radiators with him?  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 minutes ago, Talleywhacker said:

Actually I think the guy meant that his good friend worked at Harrison Radiator and theyre pulling out of Lockport.

I wonder if that rumor will have a 6 page thread as fast as this one did ?

As a person who grew up in Lockport, may I say well done! 

[klos63]

Wonder if the Bills are expecting Basham to play a lot on the interior.

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Wonder if the Bills are expecting Basham to play a lot on the interior.

I assumed that was the plan when they drafted him.  That or get him to trim down like with Epenesa. 

[JoPoy88]

Phillips is eminently replaceable. Don’t really care if he stays or goes.

[Mr. WEO]

Where is Pegula's Rent-A-Jet???!