BillsMafi$ Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, BillsMafi$ said: if you go to the comments you can see deep ball ranks under pressure, etc 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 This doesn’t make any sense. All the reporters told me he wasn’t accurate. This can’t be true… 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I demand a recount. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Josh wasn’t first in every category? BUST. He will never change the narrative performing like this…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Can't wait to see him hitting deep balls to some guys with elite speed that outrun the coverage next year. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) Does anyone know if this calcuation takes YAC into account? A 5 yard screen pass that the guy takes 80 yards to the house doesn't demonstrate deep ball accuracy and could skew the stats. That said, the Bills' YAC is one of the lowest in the league (if not the lowest), so if YAC isn't taken into account, these stats are even MORE impressive for Allen. Edited March 4, 2022 by msw2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Does anyone know if this calcuation takes YAC into account? A 5 yard screen pass that the guy takes 80 yards to the house doesn't demonstrate deep ball accuracy and could skew the stats. That said, the Bills' YAC is one of the lowest in the league (if not the lowest), so if YAC isn't taken into account, these stats are even MORE impressive for Allen. Throws 21+ yards past the LOS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Does anyone know if this calcuation takes YAC into account? A 5 yard screen pass that the guy takes 80 yards to the house doesn't demonstrate deep ball accuracy and could skew the stats. That said, the Bills' YAC is one of the lowest in the league (if not the lowest), so if YAC isn't taken into account, these stats are even MORE impressive for Allen. Read it. It's a study of throws that meet a minimum air yards distance, so no, there are no 5-yard screen passes in this data. One amazing thing is that Allen has the highest completion percentage, the highest accurate throw percentage, and the highest number of accurate throws that were incomplete (I'd guess some of those were throwing into double coverage). It looks like he was the best deep thrower by far, with only Stafford and maybe Burrow at least within range. Can't wait to see what it will be like when Allen gets good. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Balls deep? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All I Need is Hope Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Wow, he really does just knock down one after another all of his deficiencies coming into the league. At this rate, he’s going to be so far beyond what we thought a QB could be that we’ll only have to field Josh and 3 receivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Before all the snide remarks regarding the media begin, when he first entered the league, this was an issue. His development has been fun to watch. Great job, Josh and coaching staff! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Love seeing Allen at or near the top in every category. I also love seeing Mac Jones at the bottom! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Can't wait to see him hitting deep balls to some guys with elite speed that outrun the coverage next year. For some reason I thought of Robert Foster when I read this comment. Josh made him look like a future Pro Bowler for that one season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 So arrogant... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Read it. It's a study of throws that meet a minimum air yards distance, so no, there are no 5-yard screen passes in this data. One amazing thing is that Allen has the highest completion percentage, the highest accurate throw percentage, and the highest number of accurate throws that were incomplete (I'd guess some of those were throwing into double coverage). It looks like he was the best deep thrower by far, with only Stafford and maybe Burrow at least within range. Can't wait to see what it will be like when Allen gets good. Kind of feels like Allen breaks this stat, like he's gotten better dropping it in a bucket but still has room to grow there, but he throws frozen ropes at such a long distance that he throws the whole thing off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) That's right folks, the best deep ball passer in the league, best qb rating in playoff history and zero MVP votes. Apparently the voters only watch prime time games. Edited March 4, 2022 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Thank you Josh for your relentless pursuit of improving, your long ball once sucked but is now excellente. Thank you Jordan Palmer for helping 17 work out the kinks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Simms thought Darnold was going to be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 So crazy that a couple years ago we considered this one of his weaknesses. Josh Allen is a man on a mission to not just improve his weaknesses but to turn them into strengths, and even become the BEST at them. Honestly, I've never seen anything like it. He is supremely gifted. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, All I Need is Hope said: Wow, he really does just knock down one after another all of his deficiencies coming into the league. At this rate, he’s going to be so far beyond what we thought a QB could be that we’ll only have to field Josh and 3 receivers. Another thing Allen worked on in the off season and significantly improved. This part of Allen's nature may be the most impressive. 34 minutes ago, Malazan said: Simms thought Darnold was going to be great. As the late great Meatloaf would say "one out of two ain't bad". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Another thing Allen worked on in the off season and significantly improved. This part of Allen's nature may be the most impressive. As the late great Meatloaf would say "one out of two ain't bad". well, Simms batting average might be lower than my blood alcohol level right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Malazan said: well, Simms batting average might be lower than my blood alcohol level right now. Happy Friday!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 hours ago, whorlnut said: This doesn’t make any sense. All the reporters told me he wasn’t accurate. This can’t be true… Not just media, bro, even some fans from this past season were still concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 hours ago, whorlnut said: This doesn’t make any sense. All the reporters told me he wasn’t accurate. This can’t be true… They were the moronic minority with big mouths. A number of reporters stated Allen was doing well with what he was given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 8 hours ago, The Wiz said: That's right folks, the best deep ball passer in the league, best qb rating in playoff history and zero MVP votes. Apparently the voters only watch prime time games. At least he was a pro-bowl alternate .. smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I think this was very solid analysis who admitted he laughed at the Bills for taking Josh Allen. Indicated this was by far the greatest deep ball passing that he has tracked in his 7 years of doing this .. by a far margin. Two years ago Josh was at the bottom of the list. "Josh Allen is one of the most complete players in the league. The borderline generational arm talent from every platform imaginable of Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert is combined with the scrambling brilliance of Russell Wilson, the sequence breaking rushing ability of Cam Newton, and the ability to carry and take over a game like all the quarterbacks I just mentioned. The Bills have waited for decades for that guy at quarterback, and we laughed when they chose Allen as that guy. The only people laughing now live in Buffalo, and it's at us." His discussion of Josh's longest throw to Gabe Davis in the playoffs "Longest Completion By Air Yards: Divisional Round at Kansas City (2:06 3Q: 56 air yards, 27 YAC to Gabriel Davis for the touchdown) As pure of a piss missile as you can find. My jaw dropped when I saw this live. It's the kind of throw you talk about for decades upon decades as you brag to younger generations that you had it better as a sports fan in your 20s and 30s." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Love seeing Allen at or near the top in every category. I also love seeing Mac Jones at the bottom! McCorkle 31st in tight window accuracy, and Pats fans are still trying to defend his arm strength. Amazing that Stafford has 1 TD to 8 INTs into tight windows. The two QBs in the league with most tight window attempts are at the opposite end of the accuracy window from Allen, amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Objectively, I would not call a 20 pass from Josh Allen a deep ball. The guy throws lasers at that range. What he legitimately struggles with are true deep balls >30 air yards. Anything that involves lobbing it with a high arc and letting the receiver run under it. He does a lot of things great, but that isn't one of them. Thanks OK. Id rather a guy who can throw frozen ropes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 16 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Let’s hope Buffalo has a coaching staff and #1 defense that can hold up for 13 seconds when they need to do so. Keep in mind it takes more than a great QB to win the Lombardi. Peyton only has two. Arguably other than that count against Brady, Manning was the QB with more talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Brady and Rodgers being so low was a surprise to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Albanybillsbacker said: Objectively, I would not call a 20 pass from Josh Allen a deep ball. The guy throws lasers at that range. What he legitimately struggles with are true deep balls >30 air yards. Anything that involves lobbing it with a high arc and letting the receiver run under it. He does a lot of things great, but that isn't one of them. Thanks OK. Id rather a guy who can throw frozen ropes. You mean like the one against NE to Diggs in Buffalo? He is still great at those even if reciever drops it. No QB is completing 70% of those and he hits them as much as misses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 18 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: if you go to the comments you can see deep ball ranks under pressure, etc Too bad for Murray he's not the most accurate short ball thrower under pressure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Anyone have a guess as to what his one inaccurate completion was? Or in other words, which receiver had the most amazing catch on the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Albanybillsbacker said: Objectively, I would not call a 20 pass from Josh Allen a deep ball. The guy throws lasers at that range. What he legitimately struggles with are true deep balls >30 air yards. Anything that involves lobbing it with a high arc and letting the receiver run under it. He does a lot of things great, but that isn't one of them. Thanks OK. Id rather a guy who can throw frozen ropes. Just needs to train a little with A-rod in the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Albanybillsbacker said: Objectively, I would not call a 20 pass from Josh Allen a deep ball. The guy throws lasers at that range. What he legitimately struggles with are true deep balls >30 air yards. Anything that involves lobbing it with a high arc and letting the receiver run under it. He does a lot of things great, but that isn't one of them. Thanks OK. Id rather a guy who can throw frozen ropes. So his accurate "deep" passes are mostly from 21-30 yards? Has someone analyzed this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Anyone have a guess as to what his one inaccurate completion was? Or in other words, which receiver had the most amazing catch on the year? Gabe Davis against jets? That was a bit short and after a deflection Davis caught it (there was also DPI) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 21 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: if you go to the comments you can see deep ball ranks under pressure, etc i really doubt we will see him on the trading block this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said: Gabe Davis against jets? That was a bit short and after a deflection Davis caught it (there was also DPI) Yeah. Possibly. I was thinking Davis as well since he makes a lot of incredible sideline grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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