Cole Beasley given permission to seek trade

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think some people are expecting a carbon copy of the Daboll offense and are in for a surprise. Dorsey will undoubtedly put his fingerprints on the offense. What does he value in the slot? Speed guy? Size guy? More 2 TE looks? Will be awesome to see the new wrinkles for sure.

 

I obviously agree.  We hope it will be good, but I expect it will be different.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I obviously agree.  We hope it will be good, but I expect it will be different.

Different for sure. Also wouldn't shock me to see some forms of struggling in the offense to start the year. New play caller, new wrinkles and a few new players. Hopefully they can sync fast.

[Logic]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I obviously agree.  We hope it will be good, but I expect it will be different.

I’ve been attempting to research Ken Dorsey’s background to see what he might bring to the offense.

 

The thing that stands out to me is that he played his historic college career under Rob Chudzinski. He also coached under Chudzinski in Carolina.

 

The one consistent thing that Chudzinski always did was lean heavily on tight ends. From Shockey and Winslow at the U to Greg Olsen in Carolina, to attempting to make Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen the focal points of the offense in Indy, there has always been heavy emphasis on tight end usage.

 

Given Knox’s breakout season and the reported interest in Gronkowski (and maybe Rudolph), I expect Dorsey to feature the tight end more, and I expect more two tight end sets, particularly with a second tight end who is actually a threat, not just a Tommy Sweeney like afterthought.

 

I could certainly see this shift eating into Beasley’s usage and targets, for what it’s worth.

 

Health permitting, expect Knox to have an all-world season. Just my opinion.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

The routes he was making receptions on were typically shorter, and he was going down immediately after the catch during the middle of the season vs. fighting for the 1st down.

yup.  I recall people remarking on his “lay downs”.  
 

I wasn’t bothered cuz it was after he had the 1st down. 

pro’s - 1st down and no risk of a TO

 

con’s - less productive in total yards 

 

ultimately this is a cap issue and Gabe is a solid replacement

 

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

I’ve been attempting to research Ken Dorsey’s background to see what he might bring to the offense.

 

The thing that stands out to me is that he played his historic college career under Rob Chudzinski. He also coached under Chudzinski in Carolina.

 

The one consistent thing that Chudzinski always did was lean heavily on tight ends. From Shockey and Winslow at the U to Greg Olsen in Carolina, to attempting to make Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen the focal points of the offense in Indy, there has always been heavy emphasis on tight end usage.

 

Given Knox’s breakout season and the reported interest in Gronkowski (and maybe Rudolph), I expect Dorsey to feature the tight end more, and I expect more two tight end sets, particularly with a second tight end who is actually a threat, not just a Tommy Sweeney like afterthought.

 

I could certainly see this shift eating into Beasley’s usage and targets, for what it’s worth.

 

Health permitting, expect Knox to have an all-world season. Just my opinion.

 

 

Dorsey as a QB at The U under Chudzinski was a relatively weak armed passer who wasn't accurate outside the numbers so they worked the middle of the field hard.........having Jeremy Shockey and then Kellen Winslow Jr made that easy.

[Logic]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Dorsey as a QB at The U under Chudzinski was a relatively weak armed passer who wasn't accurate outside the numbers so they worked the middle of the field hard.........having Jeremy Shockey and then Kellen Winslow Jr made that easy.

Agreed.

Chudzinski's affinity for tight end usage never went away when he became a pro coordinator, though. 

Both Cam Newton and Andrew Luck had arms no one would describe as "weak", and Chud continued to heavily feature the tight end.

And if you say "well, having Greg Olsen made that easy", I'd counter by pointing out that Chud tried to push the TEs again with a Fleener/Allen combo in Indy. So it doesn't seem to me like it's JUST taking advantage of strong TE personnel that makes it a preference of Chudzinski's.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

Agreed.

Chudzinski's affinity for tight end usage never went away when he became a pro coordinator, though. 

Both Cam Newton and Andrew Luck had arms no one would describe as "weak", and Chud continued to heavily feature the tight end.

And if you say "well, having Greg Olsen made that easy", I'd counter by pointing out that Chud tried to push the TEs again with a Fleener/Allen combo in Indy. So it doesn't seem to me like it's JUST taking advantage of strong TE personnel that makes it a preference of Chudzinski's.

 

 

Yeah I don't expect Dorsey to turn into Chud as a play caller............but on 3rd down and 4 I expect his experience as a QB will impact his play calling and he will want to Allen to find a TE if he has the talent there.........where Daboll was inclined to feature the slot WR.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

GM Joe Schoen 
HC Daboll 

 

Mitch to Giants?

https://sports.yahoo.com/giants-believed-mix-qb-mitchell-174827535.html

 

Bease to Giants? 
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/06/could-cole-beasley-become-new-york-giants-trade-target/

 

 

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, Logic said:

I’ve been attempting to research Ken Dorsey’s background to see what he might bring to the offense.

 

The thing that stands out to me is that he played his historic college career under Rob Chudzinski. He also coached under Chudzinski in Carolina.

 

The one consistent thing that Chudzinski always did was lean heavily on tight ends. From Shockey and Winslow at the U to Greg Olsen in Carolina, to attempting to make Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen the focal points of the offense in Indy, there has always been heavy emphasis on tight end usage.

 

Given Knox’s breakout season and the reported interest in Gronkowski (and maybe Rudolph), I expect Dorsey to feature the tight end more, and I expect more two tight end sets, particularly with a second tight end who is actually a threat, not just a Tommy Sweeney like afterthought.

 

I could certainly see this shift eating into Beasley’s usage and targets, for what it’s worth.

 

Health permitting, expect Knox to have an all-world season. Just my opinion.

Thanks for this.  That's creative thinking with some actual research behind it!

 

It seems to be that teams generally fall into two approaches for their receiving corps:  Relying on size and catching ability in a crowd, with enough ability to be threats downfield, or relying on speed.  The Bills right now are stuck somewhat in between.  So, we see a thread about which speed receivers we like in the draft, and comments about going more with two tight ends.   

 

You may be right about Dorsey's preference.  We'll have a much better idea after free agency and the draft.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

yup.  I recall people remarking on his “lay downs”.  
 

I wasn’t bothered cuz it was after he had the 1st down.

 

 

Except that wasn't always true (from watching the games)

 

Verification: Beasley had 19 fewer 1st downs (34 vs 53 on the same # of receptions, 82)

 

If Beasley were only laying down after he had the 1st down, he shouldn't have had that drop off.

5 hours ago, Logic said:

I’ve been attempting to research Ken Dorsey’s background to see what he might bring to the offense.

 

The thing that stands out to me is that he played his historic college career under Rob Chudzinski. He also coached under Chudzinski in Carolina.

 

The one consistent thing that Chudzinski always did was lean heavily on tight ends. From Shockey and Winslow at the U to Greg Olsen in Carolina, to attempting to make Colby Fleener and Dwayne Allen the focal points of the offense in Indy, there has always been heavy emphasis on tight end usage.

 

Given Knox’s breakout season and the reported interest in Gronkowski (and maybe Rudolph), I expect Dorsey to feature the tight end more, and I expect more two tight end sets, particularly with a second tight end who is actually a threat, not just a Tommy Sweeney like afterthought.

 

I could certainly see this shift eating into Beasley’s usage and targets, for what it’s worth.

 

Health permitting, expect Knox to have an all-world season. Just my opinion.

 

It's a very valid point that if the TE can both block and catch, the 2 TE, 1 RB set (1,2) offers play calling flexibility that the (1,1) 3 WR set does not, especially with a player like Beasley who is not a strong blocker.

[Pete]

Trade Beasley for Barkley

[Dopey]

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

Trade Beasley for Barkley

IMO, that would not be a good start for that regime. I think Giants fans would be pissed. If I'm a Giants fan I would want to keep Barkley, draft a WR and TE. But more important, shore up that o-line. Too much talent at wr in the draft.

[Steptide]

I'm more interested in why Bease wants a trade. Is it simply that his production was down? Or does he think this fan base hates him cuz of his vaccine stance, or does he have a rift with the coaches? He makes decent money, interesting he'd want a trade from a team this close to a championship 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Steptide

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, Dopey said:

IMO, that would not be a good start for that regime. I think Giants fans would be pissed. If I'm a Giants fan I would want to keep Barkley, draft a WR and TE. But more important, shore up that o-line. Too much talent at wr in the draft.

I’d sweeten the deal.  Gmen need to shed cap, the Cole swap would save $3 million I think.  Add a later draft pick or two.  I hear you.  But many gmen fans are ready to move on from Barkley 

[ndirish1978]

Trade Bease to the Giants for Bradbury contingent upon him signing an extension dropping his cap number?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I'm more interested in why Bease wants a trade. Is it simply that his production was down? Or does he think this fan base hates him cuz of his vaccine stance, or does he have a rift with the coaches? He makes decent money, interesting he'd want a trade from a team this close to a championship 

who did what?

 

did 11 ask, or did OBD say, pick your spot and we’ll help you move along ?

[Thurman#1]

On 3/5/2022 at 3:45 AM, Special K said:

 

Here's his replacement(He could also be a McKenzie replacement):

 

 

 

 

Love this guy. The instant he catches the ball he's headed upfield looking for YAC. In a very determined manner.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's a very valid point that if the TE can both block and catch, the 2 TE, 1 RB set (1,2) offers play calling flexibility that the (1,1) 3 WR set does not, especially with a player like Beasley who is not a strong blocker.

 

I could not count the number of times my son texted me: STOP THROWING BUBBLE SCREENS BEHIND SANDERS!!!

 

Beasley was not alone. This would be a nice area to improve. 

[Thurman#1]

4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

who did what?

 

did 11 ask, or did OBD say, pick your spot and we’ll help you move along ?

  

 

If you read the article it makes it clear.

 

No reason to doubt what they say, there'd have been no upside to lying about it.

[LeGOATski]

So...... any takers yet?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 3/4/2022 at 3:06 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

You aren't doing that to a Shamrock Shake.  More than likely need a Hilti demolition hammer to free it up.

Had my Shamrock Shake for 2022 today.  Times must be tough all over; the shake seems thinner.  Doesn't feel like I inflated 30 or 40 balloons after drinking it. 🤔

[MJS]

On 3/6/2022 at 3:19 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except that wasn't always true (from watching the games)

 

Verification: Beasley had 19 fewer 1st downs (34 vs 53 on the same # of receptions, 82)

 

If Beasley were only laying down after he had the 1st down, he shouldn't have had that drop off.

Beasley was hurt. That's why he was avoiding contact.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

On 3/7/2022 at 10:43 AM, LeGOATski said:

So...... any takers yet?

[Malazan]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

Beasley was hurt. That's why he was avoiding contact.

 

Hurt Beasely is the only Beasely anyone is getting now. He was hurt in the playoffs last season too. He's going to be 33 in about a month. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, MJS said:

Beasley was hurt. That's why he was avoiding contact.

 

That may be the case.  The fact is, his # of first downs declined by 19 (34 vs 53).

The OP to whom I was responding said he wasn't bothered by Beasley's "lay downs" because "it was after he had the 1st down"

There was nothing about the cause of the "lay downs", the point is, his first downs declined in part because of them.

 

And while Beasley is a gladiator-type to want to play while hurt, if he's getting hurt more often the last 2 seasons in part because he's about to turn 33 yo and he's less effective because he's hurt, it does raise legitimate questions as to whether hurt Beasley is really more effective than another player who is uninjured.

[benderbender]

Forgive my ignorance, but did announcing this do anything but hurt our chances of trading him? Everyone knew his cap hit, but now other teams know for certain he’s going to be cut. They don’t have to deal for him, they’ll just wait for him to be cut.

[TBBills]

4 minutes ago, benderbender said:

Forgive my ignorance, but did announcing this do anything but hurt our chances of trading him? Everyone knew his cap hit, but now other teams know for certain he’s going to be cut. They don’t have to deal for him, they’ll just wait for him to be cut.

Trading him 🤣 

 

More like Beane already shopped and said "Yea go ahead, no one wants you." 

Edited March 11, 2022 by TBBills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 3/6/2022 at 5:11 PM, Steptide said:

I'm more interested in why Bease wants a trade. Is it simply that his production was down? Or does he think this fan base hates him cuz of his vaccine stance, or does he have a rift with the coaches? He makes decent money, interesting he'd want a trade from a team this close to a championship 

 

Dorsey was "passing game coordinator" last season.  At a guess, Beasley may believe that he would have a limited role on the Dorsey-led Bills offense either because he has inside knowledge of the direction that Dorsey would like to take the offense, or because he has an educated guess about other players the Bills would like to draft or bring in.

 

Several players extolled how exceptionally willing Daboll was to take play designs from everywhere.  It's possible Dorsey is not as open.  Or he may simply want

 

to move away from some of the option route concepts that Beasley brought into the offense (and that seemed to have been solved or partially solved by defensive coordinators last season).  Or, as some have speculated, Dorsey may be interested in moving more towards 2 TE sets.  If 2 WR are on the field, it's not likely to include Beasley.

 

Also, in 2019 Beasley was given the opportunity for a wider role than just "slot receiver" but the Bills acquired Diggs in 2020 and his role contracted; when the Bills signed Sanders last season it didn't expand any.  He may be seeking an offense where he would again, have a chance at a wider role, and with Diggs and Davis he's not gonna get that here no matter who gets drafted.

 

Last and possibly most important, it's a good guess that the Bills will ask Beasley to take a paycut or cut him.  Seeking a trade potentially allows Beasley to lock in his current contract (which is pretty good money for a 33 yr old slot receiver).  If he's cut, he'll get to pick his team but he also may not get the same money.

 

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

Forgive my ignorance, but did announcing this do anything but hurt our chances of trading him? Everyone knew his cap hit, but now other teams know for certain he’s going to be cut. They don’t have to deal for him, they’ll just wait for him to be cut.

 

If another team really wants him and at his current salary they would probably be willing to trade a late round pick.

 

Small chance he decides at the 11th hour to redo his deal and stay but realistically all signs point to his Bills career being over any day now.

[thenorthremembers]

Who is going to give up a pick for a 33 year old wideout on a one year $7 million dollar deal when it's already been advertised that the team he is on asked him to take a pay cut?   Any GM with any common sense will wait for the Bills to release Beasley and save the pick and the money.    Personally, I think Cole has lost a step, but I also think his current contract is right around where he should be paid.  That said, a team would be stupid to give up a pick for the guy given his age. 

[Cruiserplayer]

He will be traded or take a pay cut. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Cruiserplayer

[BarleyNY]

14 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Who is going to give up a pick for a 33 year old wideout on a one year $7 million dollar deal when it's already been advertised that the team he is on asked him to take a pay cut?   Any GM with any common sense will wait for the Bills to release Beasley and save the pick and the money.    Personally, I think Cole has lost a step, but I also think his current contract is right around where he should be paid.  That said, a team would be stupid to give up a pick for the guy given his age. 

Probably no one.  They are just playing it out to see if a bad team where FAs don’t want to play (unless it’s for way over MV) steps up. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Who is going to give up a pick for a 33 year old wideout on a one year $7 million dollar deal when it's already been advertised that the team he is on asked him to take a pay cut? 

 

Where was this advertised?

 

I've seen it speculated here, but the official story is that Beasley's agent approached Beane and gave them some spiel and as a result he was given permission to seek a trade.

 

I have not seen or heard any statement from Beane or the Bills or even a "source close to the negotiations" that the Bills asked Beasley to take a paycut.

 

And reporters are in full off-season form MSU (making...up) like Parrino stating that Feliciano was asked to take a pay cut and refused, while Beane says "no, that option wasn't raised".

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where was this advertised?

 

I've seen it speculated here, but the official story is that Beasley's agent approached Beane and gave them some spiel and as a result he was given permission to seek a trade.

 

I have not seen or heard any statement from Beane or the Bills or even a "source close to the negotiations" that the Bills asked Beasley to take a paycut.

 

And reporters are in full off-season form MSU (making...up) like Parrino stating that Feliciano was asked to take a pay cut and refused, while Beane says "no, that option wasn't raised".

My bad on this one.  You're right, its speculation.   But it is widely advertised speculation and not just from twitter nobodies.   Draftnetwork had it speculated on Locked on Bills, and it was speculated locally as well.   That said, the fact that the Bills didnt ask him to take a pay cut formally still doesnt move the needle for me.   The only GMs who should even consider making a play for Beasley are teams squarely in Super Bowl contention this year, who also have a lot of cap space.   That kind of makes his market very narrow.   I just cant see anyone giving up a pick for the guy right now. 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, benderbender said:

Forgive my ignorance, but did announcing this do anything but hurt our chances of trading him? Everyone knew his cap hit, but now other teams know for certain he’s going to be cut. They don’t have to deal for him, they’ll just wait for him to be cut.

It might give Beasley the realization he's not as well sought after and then make him take a cut to stay. Yet if we could get a younger version for less money for another 3-4 years we'd be better off.

[RunTheBall]

I could see Bease back with a pay cut. This front office treats their players very honestly and straight forward. I think Beane made it be known to Cole’s agent that they weren’t bringing him back at the current salary. Beane is very astute at player values, so just like Milano who he allowed to test FA before signing an extension, he’s letting Bease see if anyone out there wants to pay him 7 million. He knows there isn’t. So when Bease comes back I think Beane will offer him a reasonable competitive contract and Cole can either get cut and see if he can do better or take the offer.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 3/6/2022 at 3:41 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

GM Joe Schoen 
HC Daboll 

 

Mitch to Giants?

https://sports.yahoo.com/giants-believed-mix-qb-mitchell-174827535.html

 

Bease to Giants? 
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/06/could-cole-beasley-become-new-york-giants-trade-target/

 

 

 

LOL that GiantsWire site is just Bat ***** Cray Cray.  "Should Giants consider Colin Kaepernick as a backup to Daniel Jones?"  "Giants a possible landing spot for Cam Newton?"

 

Then there's this about Cole Beasley:  "He can also serve as a punt returner".  Beasley last returned punts for the Cowboys in 2018.  He returned 11 punts for 61 yds, or 5.5 yards per return.  That was 60th in 2018, and I don't think Beasley has gotten faster and more able to endure hits in the ensuing 4 years.

[Dablitzkrieg]

19 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

He will be traded or take a pay cut. 

He will be released.  If Beane pulls off a trade for a player about to be cut, he's a genius

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

He will be released.  If Beane pulls off a trade for a player about to be cut, he's a genius

He did it with Russell Bodine and Marshall Newhouse and Eli Harold granted all were bottom of roster low salary guys.

Edited March 12, 2022 by The Jokeman

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

My bad on this one.  You're right, its speculation.   But it is widely advertised speculation and not just from twitter nobodies.   Draftnetwork had it speculated on Locked on Bills, and it was speculated locally as well.   That said, the fact that the Bills didnt ask him to take a pay cut formally still doesnt move the needle for me.   The only GMs who should even consider making a play for Beasley are teams squarely in Super Bowl contention this year, who also have a lot of cap space.   That kind of makes his market very narrow.   I just cant see anyone giving up a pick for the guy right now. 

 

Respectfully disagree.  I think GMs who should consider making a play for Beasley include teams with a young QB to develop, who might take a step with a savvy veteran "always open" player like Beasley to throw to.

 

But as for the market you name, I guess the Broncos, Chargers, and Ravens would fit the bill.