Kareem Hunt: Cut candidate. Possible 2022 Bill?

[SirAndrew]

Hunt is being extremely overrated here. This conversation has been about the off field stuff, but he’s not a special player. His reputation was built entirely on his accomplishments in KC. Acquiring the baggage isn’t worth it. 

[purple haze]

13 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Don't forget D'Onta Foreman. He would a really nice piece, probably inexpensive and we could use him like Green Bay uses A.J. Dillon.

 

 

Your oversimplification ignores the full range of reasons why people might be against adding Kareem Hunt. I'm sure there are many here like me who believe that this team is good enough to win a Super Bowl as is and doesn't have to compromise character to attain their goals. There are also those who feel this team can improve by adding excellent and law-abiding players.

 

Having gangsters and thugs on the team is not and never has been a prerequisite to winning championships. Plenty of championships have been won by teams with "pillars of the community" on the roster.

You don’t know any of these players to say who is what.  You have no idea.  Because you don’t know about it doesn’t mean a player hasn’t been involved in something shady all the while you hold them up as a pillar of the community.  The other side of that is an otherwise decent person can do bad things; happens everyday.  Sometimes people need a chance at redemption.  

[Paul Costa]

His skill set is perfect for the Bills. Excellent in both pass pro & receiving. He can run between the tackles & bounce outside. To me he’s the perfect addition to our team. Minus his really poor decision 4 or 5 years ago in a Hotel in Cleveland. 

[Little Dog]

5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Do I need to educate some Bills fans about Jim Kelly's past?  

When did Jim Kelly smacked a woman around?

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, purple haze said:

You don’t know any of these players to say who is what.  You have no idea.  Because you don’t know about it doesn’t mean a player hasn’t been involved in something shady all the while you hold them up as a pillar of the community.  The other side of that is an otherwise decent person can do bad things; happens everyday.  Sometimes people need a chance at redemption.  

 

You're right. I don't know. Nor do you. None of us do.

 

In my profession I stringently try not to judge people and I try to base my opinion of people on my own dealings with that person.

 

My larger point is that it's not necessary to acquire players who've run afoul of the law in order to field a championship team.

It seems like there are a lot of people on this board who think/hope/wish that adding felons and badasses to the team will ensure a Super Bowl Championship.

 

There's a subtext in this thread that a team needs to have a felonic character or two in order to get over the hump.

 

It seems like it's born of a "win at all costs" desperation that I don't adhere to.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

29 minutes ago, purple haze said:

If they thought Hunt would help them win they sure would.  Hunt’s incident was years ago.  He hasn’t been in trouble since.  People make mistakes.  He’s done well with his second chance.

 

That said, Bills need a speed element. Hunt doesn’t fit that profile.

what makes you think this? I have never seen this front office give someone a second chance. They don’t take risks on character. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

27 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Hunt is being extremely overrated here. This conversation has been about the off field stuff, but he’s not a special player. His reputation was built entirely on his accomplishments in KC. Acquiring the baggage isn’t worth it. 

I disagree. Plus there is very little baggage. He made a mistake years ago and it was handled. He'll have to answer questions initially if traded to a new team, but not a distraction that would last.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[MarlinTheMagician]

Patterson would be sweet, or Penny, but I think we can get a back in the draft without a premium pick to compliment Singletary - a bruiser or a speedster, whatever Beane wants.  Why pay for Hunt?

[NewEra]

Take the guy that costs less than the rest to join an elite offense with a prayer to make big bucks next year. 

[Paul Costa]

26 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You're right. I don't know. Nor do you. None of us do.

 

In my profession I stringently try not to judge people and I try to base my opinion of people on my own dealings with that person.

 

My larger point is that it's not necessary to acquire players who've run afoul of the law in order to field a championship team.

It seems like there are a lot of people on this board who think/hope/wish that adding felons and badasses to the team will ensure a Super Bowl Championship.

 

There's a subtext in this thread that a team needs to have a felonic character or two in order to get over the hump.

 

It seems like it's born of a "win at all costs" desperation that I don't adhere to.

Pretty sure Kareem Hunt was never arrested for any crime from this incident in Cleveland. Not sure he should be considered a felon. Don’t know what your profession is but if you jump to conclusions like this you must not be very good at your job. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Without reading any responses, I would think the conversation would be about how he doesn't have the character to be a McBeane guy... and that's absolutely right.

[MPT]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Do you still hold it against Jim or is all forgiven?

 

I've touched a nerve with some of you, it seems.  Good!

 

You still haven't explained what we should or should not be holding against Jim. 

 

It's less touching a nerve than playing for attention. Spit it out or stop wasting people's time.

[Paul Costa]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Without reading any responses, I would think the conversation would be about how he doesn't have the character to be a McBeane guy... and that's absolutely right.

Curious to what your basing your opinion on? Please explain his character flaws that make him someone the Bills wouldn’t bring into the program? 

[Buftex]

6 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

Heard this one today on a podcast:  Projected Hunt to the Bills

 

No guaranteed $ from the Browns, probable cut candidate.  D'ernest Johnson taking his spot. $5M estimated cost.

 

Great fit for this offense.  Not a big number for a guy that can start/handle 3 downs if need be.  Has shown ability to produce big in a 2 back timeshare as well.

 

We know what he can do on-field.  We know off-field was ugly a few years ago.  Has kept himself out of any further issues in Cle.  

 

Also projected Allen Robinson to Buffalo.  (God, and your salary cap team, are you listening?)

 

I know, typical off-season sh-t but, ARob dreams aside, the Hunt possibility is a very interesting one.

 

If I hold this one up against:

 

Fournette

Patterson

Chase Edmonds

M Gordon

R Penny

M Mack

James White

 

As interesting as Penny would be, I'd take Hunt if we could afford him.  Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

I'd be interested in Chase Edmonds

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

The one high priced WR I don’t want at all is Robinson. I want speed and separation. I think he’s shown a poor attitude and he’s aging. Speed speed and more speed. 

Couple of points here.

1) Dont know why Bozo is saying ARob has a "poor attitude".  Thats crazy talk.  He's not a speed guy.  He's a guy who competes, and wins the ball.  Has over 1000 yds every year he's healthy.  Watch some film dude.

 

2) If that film is everything against Hunt....He's just a drunk dude acting out. If you kick all those guys off your team, you wont have a team. You want to see a criminal?  Watch Mixon cold #### some woman.  Thats a criminal.

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I disagree. Plus there is very little baggage. He made a mistake years ago and it was handled. He'll have to answer questions initially if traded to a new team, but not a distraction that would last.

I agree, it wouldn’t be much of a distraction. I reference “baggage” because it does exist. It doesn’t matter if the “mistake” was handled years ago, by definition baggage is always in the past. The current front office doesn’t typically go for players with such baggage. That’s where I find it to be relevant. Lastly, I can’t look a guy who rushed for 386 yards last year as the answer for our run game. I think Hunt love is the old “I know that guy” deal. There will be better, cheaper, younger running backs available imo. 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, Paul Costa said:

Pretty sure Kareem Hunt was never arrested for any crime from this incident in Cleveland. Not sure he should be considered a felon. Don’t know what your profession is but if you jump to conclusions like this you must not be very good at your job. 

 

I never said Kareem Hunt was a felon so I didn't jump to any conclusions. You've completely missed my "larger point" clarification. Please re-read.

 

I'm quite successful at what I do, both professionally and otherwise.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, SirAndrew said:

I agree, it wouldn’t be much of a distraction. I reference “baggage” because it does exist. It doesn’t matter if the “mistake” was handled years ago, by definition baggage is always in the past. The current front office doesn’t typically go for players with such baggage. That’s where I find it to be relevant. Lastly, I can’t look a guy who rushed for 386 yards last year as the answer for our run game. I think Hunt love is the old “I know that guy” deal. There will be better, cheaper, younger running backs available imo. 

He's a talented RB. He can be a lead RB. I'm not sure there will be better. There will be cheaper for sure. 

[Teddy KGB]

Get it done.    Guys awesome on the field.  

[Brand J]

That was an odd little kick by Hunt. I remember thinking that when I saw it years ago. Couldn’t understand why he did it because the intention behind it certainly wasn’t to injure or hurt the woman.
As for slapping her around, maybe I missed that part too. I did see him bulldoze some guy into her, which was the worst part of the video. Whether he did it intentionally or not, I have no idea. But when I hear “brutally beat” a woman, I think of Ray Rice, or that newest case, Zac Stacy. Those videos are disturbing, this one wasn’t close to that level. Hunt’s actions still weren’t cool, but it wasn’t quite what it was portrayed to be.

Edited February 26, 2022 by JayBaller10

[JaCrispy]

I like Hunt....would rather have Fornette...

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

what makes you think this? I have never seen this front office give someone a second chance. They don’t take risks on character. 

They haven’t given a second chance to a player that you know of.   Odds are they have though with as many players as they’ve had through OBD  over 5 years.  And they just  hired an Offensive Line coach with an incident in his past of  hitting a minor over some beach chairs.
 

Like I said,  sometimes people make a mistake.  Doesn’t mean that mistake is a normal part of their life.   In Hunt’s case he’s already gotten his second chance with the Browns and been fine as far as anyone knows.  The Bills wouldn’t be giving him anything but another opportunity to play ball.  
 

However, I don’t think he brings what they truly need from an on-field perspective.

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You're right. I don't know. Nor do you. None of us do.

 

In my profession I stringently try not to judge people and I try to base my opinion of people on my own dealings with that person.

 

My larger point is that it's not necessary to acquire players who've run afoul of the law in order to field a championship team.

It seems like there are a lot of people on this board who think/hope/wish that adding felons and badasses to the team will ensure a Super Bowl Championship.

 

There's a subtext in this thread that a team needs to have a felonic character or two in order to get over the hump.

 

It seems like it's born of a "win at all costs" desperation that I don't adhere to.

I hear you.  I think a team needs to get the best players they can.  Sometimes that player might have a history.   Factors have to be weighed: did they make a one time mistake or have they been consistently in trouble?   Have they taken steps to change and demonstrated those changes?   No different than in the world in general.  
 

The Bills just hired Kromer to coach O-line.  He was one of the best coaches available.  Yet, he has a history.   But no trouble, that we know of, since then.  

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

Heard this one today on a podcast:  Projected Hunt to the Bills

 

No guaranteed $ from the Browns, probable cut candidate.  D'ernest Johnson taking his spot. $5M estimated cost.

 

Great fit for this offense.  Not a big number for a guy that can start/handle 3 downs if need be.  Has shown ability to produce big in a 2 back timeshare as well.

 

We know what he can do on-field.  We know off-field was ugly a few years ago.  Has kept himself out of any further issues in Cle.  

 

Also projected Allen Robinson to Buffalo.  (God, and your salary cap team, are you listening?)

 

I know, typical off-season sh-t but, ARob dreams aside, the Hunt possibility is a very interesting one.

 

If I hold this one up against:

 

Fournette

Patterson

Chase Edmonds

M Gordon

R Penny

M Mack

James White

 

As interesting as Penny would be, I'd take Hunt if we could afford him.  Thoughts?

 

 

 

The question is never "if we can afford him." It's whether we can afford him reasonably, without too many other hardships being caused.

 

I don't think we can or will. Same with Allen Robinson. Both good players.

 

Myself, though, I'm with Sierra Foothills above. I wouldn't bring in Hunt when there are other guys. 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention we just don't need to spend major salary cap bucks on RB right now. I see us bringing in someone more on the level of Weldon, drafting a mid- to late-round guy and telling Moss he'd better get over to Singletary's off-season coach and work his butt off because the level he played at last year was not acceptable in the long term and won't get him a second contract, and maybe not even a fourth year.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Thurman#1

[stuvian]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I like Hunt....would rather have Fornette...

me too. We need a larger move the pile back, not another smurf

[cle23]

29 minutes ago, stuvian said:

me too. We need a larger move the pile back, not another smurf

 

Since when is Hunt a smurf?  He's 220.

[DrPJax]

18 hours ago, Another Fan said:

Fitz? 

 

12 hours ago, Motor26 said:

I don’t endorse this move, because violence against woman is despicable in any act. But the Bills not taking chances on anyone with character red flags kind of bothers me. A kid fails a drug test for weed in college? Who cares, it’s weed. A dude gets in a bar fight, haven’t we all? They pigeon hole themselves out of a lot of good players by completely crossing certain players off their list.

No , we haven’t all failed drug tests or been in bar fights.  You need to rethink what normal behavior is and who you hang around with. Thise are not normal parts of everyone’s life.  Sorry to introduce you to decency , law, rules. 

[galept]

I cannot believe the self righteousness shown in this thread.

 

A lot of long-time, loyal Bills fans have died of old age and many other reasons without seeing their team win a SB, and here we are, finding new ways to make sure talent never makes it to our roster.

 

We are not in a position to be negotiating against ourselves, and the hardcore fans opposed to Hunt have not earned the right to harm our ability to win. I'm glad the silent majority of fans would approve of a trade like this.

Edited February 26, 2022 by galept

[ProcessTruster]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I disagree. Plus there is very little baggage. He made a mistake years ago and it was handled. He'll have to answer questions initially if traded to a new team, but not a distraction that would last.

McD not putting a guy like that on his team

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

 

No , we haven’t all failed drug tests or been in bar fights.  You need to rethink what normal behavior is and who you hang around with. Thise are not normal parts of everyone’s life.  Sorry to introduce you to decency , law, rules. 

I can guarantee you it has happened to way more people then you think. Humans drink and smoke and things happen.

 

Hell I saw a story of an Amish guy getting a DUI on horse and buggy. ***** happens all the time to many people.

Edited February 26, 2022 by TBBills

[stuvian]

2 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

Since when is Hunt a smurf?  He's 220.

he's not a pile mover like Fournette

[Jpsredemption]

8 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Couple of points here.

1) Dont know why Bozo is saying ARob has a "poor attitude".  Thats crazy talk.  He's not a speed guy.  He's a guy who competes, and wins the ball.  Has over 1000 yds every year he's healthy.  Watch some film dude.

 

2) If that film is everything against Hunt....He's just a drunk dude acting out. If you kick all those guys off your team, you wont have a team. You want to see a criminal?  Watch Mixon cold #### some woman.  Thats a criminal.

Just a drunk dude acting out. What a great justification for violence against women. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Jpsredemption

[newcam2012]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I like Hunt....would rather have Fornette...

I'd rather have Penny. Penny was outstanding the latter half of the year. The kid is young, hungry, and a dynamic runner. Only real concern is he seems injury prone. 

[filthymcnasty08]

Are we sure all of the "morality-based"  arguments would come to the surface if it were Tyreek Hill we were talking about bringing in?

 

The nice part about decisions at the franchise level is they're downstream from the league.  Gives individual franchises the opportunity to then make their own decision after the league gives overall direction.  If the league decides one way/other, then it's fair game as franchises are here to win in any way possible within those boundaries.  Watch D Watson and how many teams will freaking lunge to get him if the league lets him back in.  

[Beast]

I don’t condone what he did. If he has rehabilitated himself I think he is worth a look. Certainly a sit down with Beane and McDermott to see where his head is at. 
 

 

[Orlando Tim]

I don't think he brings much talent to the team unless he is gonna be our Kenneth Davis kinda guy for cheap.

[HamptonBillsfan]

Hunt has behaved himself in Cleveland and if he comes at the right price, he would be the best back on the team. I would look into his availability.

[Dopey]

17 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

 

After 3 Pro Bowls here, but yeah.

He was here for 1 season under the current staff. McDermott's 1st year. Glad they gave him the boot.

[Mango]

18 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

This is the guy you want? 

https://www.tmz.com/videos/0-exjrtvg5/

 

"Never charged with a crime" ... come on. If you're fine with compromising on character, at least admit it.

 

My thing with the whole incident was WTF would he have done to her if there weren’t a bunch a people around trying to hold him back. 
 

The dude breaks tackles for a living and has 5 or 6 guys struggling to keep him from getting to her. 
 

He got her to see stars with a bunch of people trying to stop it. Less concerned about what didn’t happen, and really of afraid of what didn’t. 
 

Pass on this guy.

2 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

Are we sure all of the "morality-based"  arguments would come to the surface if it were Tyreek Hill we were talking about bringing in?

 

The nice part about decisions at the franchise level is they're downstream from the league.  Gives individual franchises the opportunity to then make their own decision after the league gives overall direction.  If the league decides one way/other, then it's fair game as franchises are here to win in any way possible within those boundaries.  Watch D Watson and how many teams will freaking lunge to get him if the league lets him back in.  

I think Tyreek is a garbage human and I am glad he is not on my team. I don’t need choir boys but you can’t be a POS.

12 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Hunt is being extremely overrated here. This conversation has been about the off field stuff, but he’s not a special player. His reputation was built entirely on his accomplishments in KC. Acquiring the baggage isn’t worth it. 

This.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Mango

[Mango]

18 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Do I need to educate some Bills fans about Jim Kelly's past?  

I will never understand the Jim Kelly infatuation outside of football. The guy treated this town like trash unless he needed something. Even through the late 90’s and early aughts I knew people who were screamed and sworn at gas stations asking for autographs with their 8 year olds.