Texans expected to hire Lovie Smith for HC

[Gambit]

 

 

[MJS]

I guess McCown wants to watch his boys play high school football another season. He'll be ready and all in next year!

[stuvian]

this will be Lovie's 3rd HC job in the NFL

[Success]

I'd be kind of bummed if I was a Texans fan.  Smith seems like a nice guy, but he hasn't fared well as HC.

 

Honestly, Flores is a much better candidate.  It's weird to me that no one seriously tried to hire him (just as weird as Miami firing him - I still don't know what they were thinking).

 

[msw2112]

My first reaction was that this was an OK, but uninspired hire.  He has a lot of experience as a NFL head coach and got the Bears to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman at QB.  Rex Grossman!  That said, I did not remember that he had an abysmal 2 years as head coach in Tampa.  He also didn't do much at Illinois.  So, my re-formed opinion is that this is not a good hire.

 

Frankly, I think Leslie Frazier, Byron Leftwich, Eric Bienamy or Todd Bowles would be all be better hires, if they really felt strongly about a minority hire.  Flores would have been a great hire, out of the gate, but I can't see a team hiring a guy is in active litigation against the league.  I wonder if Flores would have been a candidate (or hired) if he had not filed the suit.  I'd think so.

Edited February 7, 2022 by msw2112

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

I'd be kind of bummed if I was a Texans fan.  Smith seems like a nice guy, but he hasn't fared well as HC.

 

Honestly, Flores is a much better candidate.  It's weird to me that no one seriously tried to hire him (just as weird as Miami firing him - I still don't know what they were thinking).

It's obvious now why they fired him. There was real friction between Flores and the Dolphins owner, about tanking and about personell choices.

 

I think Flores would have gotten one of the jobs without his lawsuit.

[Kwai San]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

I'd be kind of bummed if I was a Texans fan.  Smith seems like a nice guy, but he hasn't fared well as HC.

 

Honestly, Flores is a much better candidate.  It's weird to me that no one seriously tried to hire him (just as weird as Miami firing him - I still don't know what they were thinking).

 

 

No doubt....imagine how much better the Fins woulda been with a 1/2 way decent draft and some off season acquisitions that mattered?  Oi !!!

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, Success said:

I'd be kind of bummed if I was a Texans fan.  Smith seems like a nice guy, but he hasn't fared well as HC.

 

Honestly, Flores is a much better candidate.  It's weird to me that no one seriously tried to hire him (just as weird as Miami firing him - I still don't know what they were thinking).

 

 Not weird at all IMO. I think if he doesn't file that lawsuit, Flores is likely to be hired by the Texans. Had the NE connections, was brought in very early in the search. He at least stood a good shot.

 

However, it would set a terrible standard and give off the appearence that all you had to do to land a HC gig was push a lawsuit and you would be appeased. Would open the door for many other disgruntled minority coaches to potentially attempt the same tactics.

Edited February 7, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG

[BuffaloRebound]

Do the Texans get two 3rd picks?  They should since Smith was with Texans last season and now he’s a head coach.  

[papazoid]

a good hire

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

It's obvious now why they fired him. There was real friction between Flores and the Dolphins owner, about tanking and about personell choices.

 

I think Flores would have gotten one of the jobs without his lawsuit.

And yet....

 

Had the Dolphins taken Herbert over Tua there's a chance that they sneak into that playoffs last year. Flores isn't fired. He's still collecting millions form someone that allegedly tried to bribe him to lose and there is no lawsuit.

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Yea they get 2 from the Texans.

It’s a serious, non-troll question.  There’s no reason they shouldn’t get 2 comp picks like the others who had minority coaches hired to head coaching duties.  It incentivizes the same thing.  

[Low Positive]

The Texans are such a tire fire that they had to pick from an internal hire and a backup QB with literally no coaching experience at any level. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Do the Texans get two 3rd picks?  They should since Smith was with Texans last season and now he’s a head coach.  

 

6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Yea they get 2 from the Texans.

 

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It’s a serious, non-troll question.  There’s no reason they shouldn’t get 2 comp picks like the others who had minority coaches hired to head coaching duties.  It incentivizes the same thing.  

That don't confront me as long as New England don't get any...🤨

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Edited February 7, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

13 minutes ago, Success said:

I'd be kind of bummed if I was a Texans fan.  Smith seems like a nice guy, but he hasn't fared well as HC.

 

Honestly, Flores is a much better candidate.  It's weird to me that no one seriously tried to hire him (just as weird as Miami firing him - I still don't know what they were thinking).

 

I think they were thinking …

 

It’s year 3 of the Flores Program.  Expectations are to be a Playoff Team.

Dolphins went 1-7.

 

Goal: Playoffs

Reality: 1-7

 

You pull that nonsense in Year 1…maybe Year 2, if you have a QB Injury to use as an excuse.

 

You pull that nonsense in YEAR 3?!?  1-7.  1-7 in Year 3?!?!

 

It is time for you to go!

Edited February 7, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[stuvian]

perhaps by hiring an internal candidate they can keep Easterby out of the process

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

It’s a serious, non-troll question.  There’s no reason they shouldn’t get 2 comp picks like the others who had minority coaches hired to head coaching duties.  It incentivizes the same thing.  

Ok. The 2 picks deal isn't to reward a team for hiring a minority candidate.

 

One issue for minority candidates was that they were not being mentored, groomed and set up to succeed. A claim was that they were not given the same opportunities to become qualified for the next steps. The draft choices given were in part meant help motavate teams to increase the opportunity for minority coaches to succeed once named to HC position. 

 

Much like comp picks some teams rake it into consideration while others do not.

[papazoid]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Do the Texans get two 3rd picks?  They should since Smith was with Texans last season and now he’s a head coach.  

 

i dont think so...(not sure)...only if a team "loses" a candidate

 

The policy allows a team that loses a minority assistant coach or executive — to become a head coach or GM of another team — to receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years.

[Yobogoya!]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

It's obvious now why they fired him. There was real friction between Flores and the Dolphins owner, about tanking and about personell choices.

 

I think Flores would have gotten one of the jobs without his lawsuit.

 

There's no doubt. Flores is a talented coach and he obviously got a raw deal with that clusterf*** of an organization and owner, but bringing a lawsuit against multiple teams while also playing the race card was an absolute boneheaded decision if he really wanted to be a head coach again. 

[JohnNord]

39 minutes ago, Gambit said:

 

 

 

Florio floated out an interesting theory. He believes that Easterby always wanted to hire his friend Josh McCown.  He couldn’t hire him last year so they hired Culley to set him up to fail.

 

Thanks the the Flores lawsuit which named the Culley incident, they couldn’t hire McCown this year either.  So Lovie, who was never a finalist, suddenly because a candidate.  He thinks Lovie is set up to fail again like Culley to finally hire McCown

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

[BuffaloRebound]

13 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

i dont think so...(not sure)...only if a team "loses" a candidate

 

The policy allows a team that loses a minority assistant coach or executive — to become a head coach or GM of another team — to receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years.

You’re probably right since comp picks by definition compensate you for losing something.  But Lovie was still given the opportunity to be a coordinator by the Texans.  By the spirit of the rule, I’d argue Texans still deserve the 2 picks.  

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

 

Florio floated out an interesting theory. He believes that Easterby always wanted to hire his friend Josh McCown.  He couldn’t hire him last year so they hired Culley to set him up to fail.

 

Thanks the the Flores lawsuit which named the Culley incident, they couldn’t hire McCown this year either.  So Lovie, who was never a finalist, suddenly because a candidate.  He thinks Lovie is set up to fail again like Culley to finally hire McCown

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

certainly plausible. Highly doubt the Texans want any more flak, which they certainly would’ve caught had they hired McCown. 
 

Lovie always seemed like a great guy and a good coach, but this is just uninspiring if I’m a Texans fan. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Guess the Josh McCown interview didn't go as well as expected

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

 

 

That don't confront me as long as New England don't get any...🤨

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they a'howling about the front drafts they be lucky to get any back drafts

[stuvian]

as team chaplain, Easterby would have been in a position to hear confessions and in Houston there was much to be confessed. The Lord works in mysterious ways and on the 11th day he granted leverage to Moses that could only be gained through a sex tape

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

Florio floated out an interesting theory. He believes that Easterby always wanted to hire his friend Josh McCown.  He couldn’t hire him last year so they hired Culley to set him up to fail.

 

Thanks the the Flores lawsuit which named the Culley incident, they couldn’t hire McCown this year either.  So Lovie, who was never a finalist, suddenly because a candidate.  He thinks Lovie is set up to fail again like Culley to finally hire McCown

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

 

I think that's more what people expect from this move than just one man's theory.

 

You don't hire Lovie Smith if you are thinking "turnaround" right now.    He's washed.

[Rico]

59 minutes ago, Gambit said:

 

 

I’d rather have Flores, at least before last week anyways.

[papazoid]

Lovie had cutler in chicago and Mccown & winston in tampa

 

you cant be a great coach without a great QB

[BuffaloBillyG]

25 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

Florio floated out an interesting theory. He believes that Easterby always wanted to hire his friend Josh McCown.  He couldn’t hire him last year so they hired Culley to set him up to fail.

 

Thanks the the Flores lawsuit which named the Culley incident, they couldn’t hire McCown this year either.  So Lovie, who was never a finalist, suddenly because a candidate.  He thinks Lovie is set up to fail again like Culley to finally hire McCown

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

It's an interesting thought. I think the Watson saga set Culley up to fail more than anything else, though.

 

McCown reportedly said last year that he wasn't ready yet to coach. Then this year tells the Texans he's "all in" and ready. Issue here for me is let's see how all in he is. 

 

I think Lovie was hired because he will work with the Texans FO. Right now the obviously play for them is to offer McCown a spot on the staff for experience. Wouldn't shock me if Lovie had to agree to it before getting the spot. Now, if McCown joins the focus isn't setting Lovie up to fail as much as it becomes Lovie prepping McCown to be his successor.

 

If McCown turns down a spot on staff (if offered) it would make me seriously question if he's will in to put in the work that is required of a HC in the NFL if he won't even grind to gain qualifications that may be required.

Edited February 7, 2022 by BuffaloBillyG

[Low Positive]

Just a little over 2 years ago, the Texans had a 24-0 lead in KC in the second quarter of a divisional round game. It's really couldn't have gone much worse for them since that point.

[Bob in STL]

Flores is a better candidate than Lovie, actually there are several better candidates out there.  
 

At a minimum, Lovie brings experience and a calming presence to a franchise in turmoil.  
 

 

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I'd be kind of bummed if I was a Texans fan.  Smith seems like a nice guy, but he hasn't fared well as HC.

 

Honestly, Flores is a much better candidate.  It's weird to me that no one seriously tried to hire him (just as weird as Miami firing him - I still don't know what they were thinking).

 

 

I'd want Flores as well, but Lovie isn't a bad choice.  Not having an elite QB, assuming Watson is traded, is Houston's biggest problem.

[QLBillsFan]

53 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

Florio floated out an interesting theory. He believes that Easterby always wanted to hire his friend Josh McCown.  He couldn’t hire him last year so they hired Culley to set him up to fail.

 

Thanks the the Flores lawsuit which named the Culley incident, they couldn’t hire McCown this year either.  So Lovie, who was never a finalist, suddenly because a candidate.  He thinks Lovie is set up to fail again like Culley to finally hire McCown

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

Florio knows all apparently. That’s quite a journey so your pal can become the HC. Wasn’t Florio the guy who floated BD is out if Bills lose to Pats in first round? 

[wppete]

2022 record 3-14

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, msw2112 said:

My first reaction was that this was an OK, but uninspired hire.  He has a lot of experience as a NFL head coach and got the Bears to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman at QB.  Rex Grossman!  That said, I did not remember that he had an abysmal 2 years as head coach in Tampa.  He also didn't do much at Illinois.  So, my re-formed opinion is that this is not a good hire.

 

Frankly, I think Leslie Frazier, Byron Leftwich, Eric Bienamy or Todd Bowles would be all be better hires, if they really felt strongly about a minority hire.  Flores would have been a great hire, out of the gate, but I can't see a team hiring a guy is in active litigation against the league.  I wonder if Flores would have been a candidate (or hired) if he had not filed the suit.  I'd think so.

Agree 100% with this post. Seemed unfair that he lost the Chicago HC job when he did. Yes he had been there a long time but he was fired after a 10 win season.  He had 56.3% win rate(McD is 58%) a coach of the year and a DB appearance  

That said he has been terrible ever since.  An uninspiring hire but he does bring experience and he has had some success before.

I was/am a Todd Bowles fan. I wanted him instead of Rex. I think he deserves another chance. 

[Joe Mama]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Do the Texans get two 3rd picks?  They should since Smith was with Texans last season and now he’s a head coach.  

What they could do is hire Culley back as associate HC and fire Lovie next year and promote Culley-- rinse and repeat -- 2 extra 3rds every year.

[John from Riverside]

Jeez....are you sure you dont want Frazier Texans?

 

Number 1 defense in the league last year....what are you waiting for?

[Augie]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

The Texans are such a tire fire that they had to pick from an internal hire and a backup QB with literally no coaching experience at any level. 

 

Yep. If you are a quality candidate worthy of obtaining interest from multiple teams, the Texans would NOT be your choice. They made their dumpster, not they have to sleep in it. 

[Beast]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

a good hire

 

Agreed.

 

For the rest of the AFC South.

[TheFunPolice]

Lovie is already there under contract, so he might as well take the significant raise. Nobody else is going there, that's for sure. 

 

Basically "here's $25 million to train McCown for a year or two"

 

I'm sure a large part of his job will be hiring McCown as OC and training him to be the next HC. 

 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by TheFunPolice