Is Brian Daboll Driving Coaches Away?

[JGMcD2]

The news that Patrick Graham has left the New York Giants DC post to take over as the Las Vegas Raiders DC,  despite Daboll making a public statement that he wanted to keep Patrick Graham as his DC, has me worried that Daboll is driving coaches away. 
 

It’s a clear sign that he’s in way over his head in NY and is an extremely toxic individual. 
 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. 

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason Daboll’s seat may be very hot in 2022.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, I’m 10000000% kidding.

 

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by JGMcD2

[Punching Bag]

10000000% kidding means nothing since it cannot exist so it means you are NOT kidding.

[Albany,n.y.]

He's driving some of our assistants away and down to NJ from OP and he needs to stop loading up his truck with Bills assistants.  

[Patrick Duffy]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The news that Patrick Graham has left the New York Giants DC post to take over as the Las Vegas Raiders DC,  despite Daboll making a public statement that he wanted to keep Patrick Graham as his DC, has me worried that Daboll is driving coaches away. 
 

It’s a clear sign that he’s in way over his head in NY and is an extremely toxic individual. 
 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. 

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason Daboll’s seat may be very hot in 2022.

 

 

 

Guys, I’m 10000000% kidding.

 

 

 

Shame on you crawling in here posting this Crap at this time of night!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're an analytics and stats guy and you know damned well that 100% is the maximum value

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[billsherd]

How many coaches have were lost to Giants?

[Doc Brown]

The stupidity of the OP aside (there's a whole host of reasons Graham would prefer Vegas over NJ).  I wonder if Leslie Frazier would consider making a lateral move to the Giants.

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, billsherd said:

How many coaches have were lost to Giants?

 

Two. Bobby Johnson (OL to OL) and Shea Tierney (Assistant QBs to QB Coach). 

 

On a serious note (I didn't bite @JGMcD2, honest) losing Graham is a blow for them. He has done a good job there. But allegedly Wink Martindale was the DC name Daboll was giving this year at interviews it just so happened with the Giants that they had a guy in situ who Daboll had familiarity with. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Two. Bobby Johnson (OL to OL) and Shea Tierney (Assistant QBs to QB Coach). 

 

On a serious note (I didn't bite @JGMcD2, honest) losing Graham is a blow for them. He has done a good job there. But allegedly Wink Martindale was the DC name Daboll was giving this year at interviews it just so happened with the Giants that they had a guy in situ who Daboll had familiarity with. 

They should hire Flores  .  I could see Daboll making a run at Martindale, Fangio, Wilks, Zimmer, or promote from within.  He has a lot of options.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Doc Brown

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

He is not HC material, just like Bieniemy and Frazier. These guys are not leaders and will go back to their OC/DC gigs after they fail.

[Your Brown Eye]

Maybe the DC just viewed the Raiders as a better opportunity??

[HOUSE]

10 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

He is not HC material, just like Bieniemy and Frazier. These guys are not leaders and will go back to their OC/DC gigs after they fail.

 

Thank You.... ^

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

He is not HC material, just like Bieniemy and Frazier. These guys are not leaders and will go back to their OC/DC gigs after they fail.

 

That may or may not prove itself true with Daboll. The problem is when there are 6, 7, 8, and this year 9 vacancies every year there simply aren't the slam dunk candidates out there to fill them. Of the first time guys hired I think Daboll and Eberflus were certainly the most deserving. Whether it works out or not is a different question.

[CoudyBills]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

The news that Patrick Graham has left the New York Giants DC post to take over as the Las Vegas Raiders DC,  despite Daboll making a public statement that he wanted to keep Patrick Graham as his DC, has me worried that Daboll is driving coaches away. 
 

It’s a clear sign that he’s in way over his head in NY and is an extremely toxic individual. 
 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. 

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason Daboll’s seat may be very hot in 2022.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, I’m 10000000% kidding.

 

 

You had me.  Well played.

Edited February 5, 2022 by CoudyBills

[Jay_Fixit]

100% is the highest you’re allowed to go.

[Billsflyer12]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That may or may not prove itself true with Daboll. The problem is when there are 6, 7, 8, and this year 9 vacancies every year there simply aren't the slam dunk candidates out there to fill them. Of the first time guys hired I think Daboll and Eberflus were certainly the most deserving. Whether it works out or not is a different question.

Bieniemy has best resume by far of the assistant coach 1st time HC candidates, has for a few years.

[Man with No Name]

27 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Bieniemy has best resume by far of the assistant coach 1st time HC candidates, has for a few years.

that is subjective. Daboll has way more autonomy over his offensive than BIeniemy. in some eyes, this makes him a better candidate. 

[CaptnCoke11]

33 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Bieniemy has best resume by far of the assistant coach 1st time HC candidates, has for a few years.

 Not really.  Andy Reid runs that offensive show 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

100% is the highest you’re allowed to go.

 

Technically he could go over 100% if he had Dissociative identity disorder but 10000000% would mean he had a different personality for more than number of Biillicheat has cheated which I think is impossible.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

He is not HC material, just like Bieniemy and Frazier. These guys are not leaders and will go back to their OC/DC gigs after they fail.

 

Good chance you're right just because more that half of the coordinators who become head coaches do fail, but you never know when and where the exceptions come from.  When the Bills hired McD many thought the same here.  While some here who hate the guy will likely respond that he's not a good HC, his record doesn't agree with that.  He and Beane have turned the team around.  There's been many good teams and coaches over the years who didn't win it all. 

 

Having said all that do think the fact that Daboll took this long in his career to get where he is doesn't bode well for him.  One of the few coaches who only succeeded well into his career was Marv Levy, but he had a very stacked team.

 

[hemma]

I think you're allowed to do 10000000% as long as the base value is 0, but someone really needs to spend the entire weekend checking. 

[Niagara Dude]

7 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

The news that Patrick Graham has left the New York Giants DC post to take over as the Las Vegas Raiders DC,  despite Daboll making a public statement that he wanted to keep Patrick Graham as his DC, has me worried that Daboll is driving coaches away. 
 

It’s a clear sign that he’s in way over his head in NY and is an extremely toxic individual. 
 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. 

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason Daboll’s seat may be very hot in 2022.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, I’m 10000000% kidding.

 

 

If this were true then why did they even hire him or Bills assistants follow him there. Our two best players Allen & Diggs love him,  Diggs talked about how Daboll made him elite so just because he decided to leave and become a HC does not make him toxic. 

[BillsShredder83]

Take Leslie! I really like the youth movement. He's done his job here, amd has stayed past his necessary time.

Old dog doesn't learn new tricks. Especially if we decide to add another high end CB, we need to be more aggressive.

[foreboding]

1 hour ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Bieniemy has best resume by far of the assistant coach 1st time HC candidates, has for a few years.

Daboll has coached several position groups and worked for some very successful coaches: belichick, saban and McDermott. His players love him, he seemed the most prepared IMO: well, Flores notwithstanding and whatever is going on there.

[eball]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Two. Bobby Johnson (OL to OL) and Shea Tierney (Assistant QBs to QB Coach). 

 

He also snagged Laura Young to some “director of coaching” position.  She was on the Bills staff last year.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Bieniemy has best resume by far of the assistant coach 1st time HC candidates, has for a few years.

 

Good job I wasn't talking about 1st time candidates then isn't it? I specifically said if the first time HIRES.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Bieniemy has best resume by far of the assistant coach 1st time HC candidates, has for a few years.

 

Apparently Andy Reid calls the plays.

Someone here stated that the KC QB coach, Mike Kafka (whom Daboll just hired as his OC) has actually been creating the game plans.  I don't think they gave the source.

 

If that's the case, it's a good question what experience Bieniemy actually does or does not have.

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, billsherd said:

How many coaches have were lost to Giants?

2 thus far but I expect he may explore one of the Bills defensive assistants for DC. 

Edited February 5, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Good chance you're right just because more that half of the coordinators who become head coaches do fail, but you never know when and where the exceptions come from.  When the Bills hired McD many thought the same here.  While some here who hate the guy will likely respond that he's not a good HC, his record doesn't agree with that.  He and Beane have turned the team around.  There's been many good teams and coaches over the years who didn't win it all. 

 

Having said all that do think the fact that Daboll took this long in his career to get where he is doesn't bode well for him.  One of the few coaches who only succeeded well into his career was Marv Levy, but he had a very stacked team.

 

Amazingly (probably due to Ralph's unwillingness to pay top dollar to an unproven head coach, which basically excluded the most coveted assistant coaches) McDermott is the 1st coach hired by the Bills for his 1st pro coaching job that succeeded.  All the rest failed.  The only truly successful Bills coaches were all retreads who had previously coached in the AFL or NFL.   Saban had coached the Boston Patriots, Knox the L.A. Rams,  Levy the K.C. Chiefs & Phillips the Denver Broncos.  No other coach beyond McDermott & these 4 ever finished above 500 as a Bills head coach.  Now the Bills have also failed with retreads, again due to Ralph's low salary structure.  The only time Ralph ever paid top dollar to bring in a head coach was when Chuck Knox came over from the Rams & by the end Ralph had alienated Knox with his cheapness including being the only NFL team in league history to lose the number 1 overall pick of the NFL draft to the CFL. 

 

When we older fans say Ralph was cheap, it's not just a funny phrase.  We endured many seasons as league laughingstocks due to Ralph's unwillingness to spend unless he was backed into a corner with around 20-30,000 fans in the stands.  

 

 

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

If this were true then why did they even hire him or Bills assistants follow him there. Our two best players Allen & Diggs love him,  Diggs talked about how Daboll made him elite so just because he decided to leave and become a HC does not make him toxic. 

Did you not read the part where I said I’m kidding? You legitimately quoted it haha 
 

I’m making fun of our over-reactionary posters. 

Edited February 5, 2022 by JGMcD2

[Niagara Dude]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Did you not read the part where I said I’m kidding? 
 

I’m making fun of our over-reactionary posters. 

Yup your right

[Mr. WEO]

this is an awful example

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Amazingly (probably due to Ralph's unwillingness to pay top dollar to an unproven head coach, which basically excluded the most coveted assistant coaches) McDermott is the 1st coach hired by the Bills for his 1st pro coaching job that succeeded.  All the rest failed.  The only truly successful Bills coaches were all retreads who had previously coached in the AFL or NFL.   Saban had coached the Boston Patriots, Knox the L.A. Rams,  Levy the K.C. Chiefs & Phillips the Denver Broncos.  No other coach beyond McDermott & these 4 ever finished above 500 as a Bills head coach.  Now the Bills have also failed with retreads, again due to Ralph's low salary structure.  The only time Ralph ever paid top dollar to bring in a head coach was when Chuck Knox came over from the Rams & by the end Ralph had alienated Knox with his cheapness including being the only NFL team in league history to lose the number 1 overall pick of the NFL draft to the CFL. 

 

When we older fans say Ralph was cheap, it's not just a funny phrase.  We endured many seasons as league laughingstocks due to Ralph's unwillingness to spend unless he was backed into a corner with around 20-30,000 fans in the stands.  

 

 

 

Thought that was after Knox was gone??

[without a drought]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You're an analytics and stats guy and you know damned well that 100% is the maximum value

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What about all those players who gave 110% over the years. What a bunch of liars, I've lost all respect for them.

Edited February 5, 2022 by without a drought

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

 Not really.  Andy Reid runs that offensive show 

Yeah, as long as Reid is carrying a play card on Sunday's Bieniemy will have an uphill battle for a job. At the end of his next contract I wonder if Eric will move along.

[Albany,n.y.]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Thought that was after Knox was gone??

We lost Cousineau in 1979, before Knox's 2nd year as Bills head coach.  Knox was really POd about that and even though he coached the Bills 4 more seasons, it was the beginning of the end of Knox's losing patience with Ralph.  

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

The news that Patrick Graham has left the New York Giants DC post to take over as the Las Vegas Raiders DC,  despite Daboll making a public statement that he wanted to keep Patrick Graham as his DC, has me worried that Daboll is driving coaches away. 
 

It’s a clear sign that he’s in way over his head in NY and is an extremely toxic individual. 
 

This is 100% believable and probably accurate given everything we know today. 

 

I think as more information leaks out from coaches that have already left and others likely out the door soon that there's trouble in paradise so to speak and this another reason Daboll’s seat may be very hot in 2022.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, I’m 10000000% kidding.

 

 

Nice.  You totally had me. 

[Big Turk]

No, first overall picks aren't guaranteed to be great in the NFL the way they are in other leagues. Plus they cost a lot and if you miss on them it hurts your cap a lot more than a lower pick.

 

For every Burrow there is a Mayfield or Akili Smith.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Big Turk

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

We lost Cousineau in 1979, before Knox's 2nd year as Bills head coach.  Knox was really POd about that and even though he coached the Bills 4 more seasons, it was the beginning of the end of Knox's losing patience with Ralph.  

 

OK somehow I was thinking Cousineau was in 83.  Or was it we got the extra 1st round pick in 83 because we traded his rights away??  Is that why I was thinking 83?

 

 

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

No, first overall picks aren't guaranteed to be great in the NFL the way they are in other leagues.

 

For every Burrow there is a Mayfield or THREE Akili Smith.

 

Fixed your post LOL

Edited February 5, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Billsflyer12]

19 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

Yeah, as long as Reid is carrying a play card on Sunday's Bieniemy will have an uphill battle for a job. At the end of his next contract I wonder if Eric will move along.

Didn’t hurt Doug Pederson or Matt Nagy getting jobs not holding the play card with Reid.  Not carrying a play card didn’t hurt Zac Taylor get Bengals job or Hackett getting hired in Denver.  Did it hurt Kevin O’Connell getting the Vikings job this week?

Edited February 5, 2022 by Billsflyer12