Daboll wasn’t happy with McDermott?

[eball]

 

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

McD was a mediocre DC before he got here. You really never know 

 

Uhhh… yeah… sure 

[HamptonBillsfan]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We have no idea. 

 

If I were Schoen, and I wanted to be the GM and wanted to hire Brian Daboll, the LAST thing I would do would be to suggest to my new employers that maybe they could hire someone other than My Guy, and still recruit him as OC, so it doesn't seem likely to me.

 

Personally, I think all these HC and HC candidates have big egos.  They may pat dogs on the head and help little old ladies cross the street when outside the facility, but inside it they are determined that What They Want to Do is Correct. 

 

I think that McDermott probably generally tries to sit back and stay out of the offense and Let Daboll Cook, and to be "growth minded" and positive when he does weigh in, but I also expect that after the Jacksonville game, then after the Indy game, McDermott held a Come to Jesus meeting with Daboll about the state of the run game and it was blunt and ugly,  and neither of them were very happy with the other in the aftermath.

 

But in fact, the run game improved and it helped us finish the season strong and get to the Division round, which helped Daboll land a HC job.

 

So it's probably Yesterday's newspaper.

 

Look at the actual tweets that are quoted.  McDonnell (the NYG pro personnel guy) is quoted as saying "he HEARD" that Daboll wasn't happy and might leave even if not HC.

 

In other words, it's HEARSAY

You're right, I regret regurgitating that nastiness. 

[joemac1114]

Having a flashback here to the bickering Bills of 1989

[muppy]

10 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

It's only fake news if it doesn't support the narrative I've made up in my head!

Fair point senor malazan. Peace brother ~m.

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

Fair point senor malazan. Peace brother ~m.

@malazan whut u laughin at me? lol

 

hahaha thats what I like to read..Im messin with u...m

[cwater10]

Anybody ever get asked a preposterous question during a job interview?  Don't rule out the mention of Daboll's unhappiness just to gauge Flores' reaction.  Flores' answer to that question could provide a wealth of information, not just about Flores' character and views on offense etc... but also would be insightful to an exec considering offering the position to Daboll in the coming days.  Even if true, who knows what the nature of that question really was or if there was any validity to the hearsay.

[Andy1]

If there was a dispute between McD and Daboll about the run game, McD was right. When we got the run game going, we became a better team.

[oldmanfan]

Even if true, I have one word:  Tough.  The HC is your boss when you’re the OC.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t think Daboll was as interested in a HC gig last year as he was this year.  He found a team with a GM he’s worked with before and with good ownership.  If the owners are patient with the rebuild, then he should do well with the Giants.

 

For a guy who wasn't interested, he sure put a lot of effort into it...this year he interviewed with the Bears, the Dolphins, and the Giants.
Last year he interviewed with the Jets, the Chargers, and reportedly turned down an interview with the Texans (as just about any sane human would do)

 

So if he prepped and went on multiple HC interviews last season but "wasn't as interested" that would be strange.

 

I think Daboll was really really interested in the Chargers HC job and in fact thought he had it at one point. 

 

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

As for the Flores lawsuit, it’s an unfortunate situation.  I understand what the Rooney Rule is trying to do - get minorities exposure and opportunities for higher level jobs in the NFL.  I don’t think that there was any intentional racial bias here.  The GM is hiring the guy he’s worked with before and thinks will be successful.  I’m sure if Daboll were a minority he’d still be the new HC of the NYG.  While the inner circle, boys club, who you know argument is still valid, I don’t know what you can do about situations like this.

 

If what Flores actually wants is to be a HC in the NFL, he just burnt his bridges pretty irreparably.

 

You have an interview scheduled, the hiring committee interviews Candidate A before you and is pretty durn sure Candidate A is their gal or guy....but your interview is set up so they go ahead and interview you.  You might knock their socks off and change their mind... or you might actually not have a legit shot at the job at that point...but it's pretty hard to prove either professional harm or bias at that point.  There's also the case where Candidate A decides against the job or accepts a different offer, so they re-set and revisit your application.

 

I've been on all sides of this, as the candidate or the interviewer.  But it's not exactly some sort of crime, and would be pretty hard to prove bias.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Or maybe knowing Daboll was a giants favorite, Flores attempted to curry favor by saying he could bring him along as well? 
 

he could have flat out lied, or taken a comment about a conflict further than reality to get a leg up in the interview process. You never know

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For a guy who wasn't interested, he sure put a lot of effort into it...this year he interviewed with the Bears, the Dolphins, and the Giants.
Last year he interviewed with the Jets, the Chargers, and reportedly turned down an interview with the Texans (as just about any sane human would do)

 

So if he prepped and went on multiple HC interviews last season but "wasn't as interested" that would be strange.

 

I think Daboll was really really interested in the Chargers HC job and in fact thought he had it at one point. 

 

 

If what Flores actually wants is to be a HC in the NFL, he just burnt his bridges pretty irreparably.

 

You have an interview scheduled, the hiring committee interviews Candidate A before you and is pretty durn sure Candidate A is their gal or guy....but your interview is set up so they go ahead and interview you.  You might knock their socks off and change their mind... or you might actually not have a legit shot at the job at that point...but it's pretty hard to prove either professional harm or bias at that point.  There's also the case where Candidate A decides against the job or accepts a different offer, so they re-set and revisit your application.

 

I've been on all sides of this, as the candidate or the interviewer.  But it's not exactly some sort of crime, and would be pretty hard to prove bias.

I mean how do you prove you were unfairly passed over when the guy they hired was one of the most popular picks to get hired.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head.

 

And this started long before he figured out how to single handedly blow the Chiefs game and blow one of the best shots this franchise had at a SB again since the 90's.

Filthy, saying something (anything) nice about McD won’t ruin your posting credibility, I promise! 

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

Daboll.

 

 

lol. Giants getting a new coach in 3 years. 

[transient]

23 minutes ago, joemac1114 said:

Having a flashback here to the bickering Bills of 1989

Nah. This is just Tuesday on TBD when there’s no Bills football to talk about. And yes, I realize you were referring to the team…

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I would not be shocked by this. It was a weird year for Daboll. How good we were in the end causes some memory loss to most of the season. I think Daboll may have been butting heads with McD all year. 

 

I dunno about all year, but I expect there were some "growth minded" sessions with McD about the run game at the end of last season and after the Steelers game.

 

I expect that after the Jags game and the Colts game, the sessions became....louder.

 

[billsfan89]

Seems more like gossip. Either way Daboll got an offer and the Bills promoted the right guy to take over for him. 

[Helpmenow]

Fake news 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The claim features Tim McDonnell, the Giants co-director of pro-personnel, texting "heard Daboll isn't happy with Sean in Buffalo...might be able to get out if he doesn't get a HC job...thoughts?"

 

So this is 1) hearsay - McDonnell "heard" 2) lacks context - who did McDonnell hear it from?  3) therefore is impossible to evaluate

 

The title of this thread is misleading, because it's a long jump from a hearsay claim in a lawsuit (where the coach in question in fact was not "driven away", but left to take a promotion to one of 32 HC jobs in the NFL)  to "McDermott is driving away coaches".

 

More so than misleading, I think the title is backwards.

[wppete]

Crazy how anyone can believe anything out

if the mouth from Flores. Hope we here from Dabol and McDermott regarding this soon. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

More so than misleading, I think the title is backwards.

 

You're talking about the edited title - the original misleading title was "McDermott is driving away coaches"

 

And Yes, you can make a strong case for the view that McDermott was not happy with Daboll at points during the season.

 

1 minute ago, wppete said:

Crazy how anyone can believe anything out

if the mouth from Flores. Hope we here from Dabol and McDermott regarding this soon. 

 

Since it's a lawsuit, what I hope we hear out of the mouths of both of them would be "I have no comment on that.  It's a legal matter."

 

No good ever came to anyone out of public comments on a lawsuit where they or one of their employees (at the time) is referenced.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You're talking about the edited title - the original misleading title was "McDermott is driving away coaches"

 

 

 

OK yeah, that's pretty dumb.

Unless McDermott was planning on personally taking Daboll to the bus station if nobody hired him.

[GoBills808]

***** Brian Daboll

[PRBills]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

It was interesting listening to McKenzie's show where he discussed the 13 seconds... Just the way he talked about McDermott. A lot of stuff like "whatever he says goes" and just the tone like McD speaks and you listen was the vibe I got. I know that's how it actually is when it comes to coaches, but it seemed like he was saying something without saying it, if you know what I mean. It was in the context of him saying the players have no idea what happened on the kickoff or why that defense was called in those 13 seconds. He sort of implied that it wasn't their business. McD makes the calls and that's that. He was very critical of it though, saying "oh with that defense that's how" about how KC got right down the field. 

 

But that could just be McKenzie being a bit bitter about not being used more in the offense and having been benched for a fumble. 

 

I wondered especially early in the season if something wasn't quite right with the team but figured I was worrying about something that wasn't real. But IMO there's a disconnect going on. Why are talented guys getting buried on the bench? Boetger and especially Bates were better than the guys they were backing up. McKenzie comes in and shows he can make huge plays on offense in the 2nd NE game. Singletary's but was nailed to the bench until late in the season, and it quickly became clear he is by far our best RB once he actually got a chance to play. 

 

This stuff happens, but it seems to happen a lot this season. 

The bickering bills

[Coffeesforclosers]

Much a do about nothing.

Mountain out of a mole hill.

Tempest in a tea cup.

Hogwash.

bull####.

Fake news.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

Trash talking Josh now wow talk about burning bridges

 

Wait what?  Who where and when?

 

Link?

[TH3]

43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For a guy who wasn't interested, he sure put a lot of effort into it...this year he interviewed with the Bears, the Dolphins, and the Giants.
Last year he interviewed with the Jets, the Chargers, and reportedly turned down an interview with the Texans (as just about any sane human would do)

 

So if he prepped and went on multiple HC interviews last season but "wasn't as interested" that would be strange.

 

I think Daboll was really really interested in the Chargers HC job and in fact thought he had it at one point. 

 

 

If what Flores actually wants is to be a HC in the NFL, he just burnt his bridges pretty irreparably.

 

You have an interview scheduled, the hiring committee interviews Candidate A before you and is pretty durn sure Candidate A is their gal or guy....but your interview is set up so they go ahead and interview you.  You might knock their socks off and change their mind... or you might actually not have a legit shot at the job at that point...but it's pretty hard to prove either professional harm or bias at that point.  There's also the case where Candidate A decides against the job or accepts a different offer, so they re-set and revisit your application.

 

I've been on all sides of this, as the candidate or the interviewer.  But it's not exactly some sort of crime, and would be pretty hard to prove bias.

Flores was a token because he was black….found out about…and is pissed….Daboll was already hired….there was no knocking it out of the park….It was come be interviewed because you are black with no chance to get the job so we can check the hR box

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Believe what you like my friend but the evidence is starting to pile up that McDermott is in over his head.

 

And this started long before he figured out how to single handedly blow the Chiefs game and blow one of the best shots this franchise had at a SB again since the 90's.

 

 

Yup, piling up in the manure piles inside the heads of three or so sad little trolls.

[DisplacedBillsFan]

2 hours ago, TPS said:

Probably making it more than it is.  This stuff happens all of the time.  Daboll was here 4 years.  How many OCs across the NFL have been in their position longer than 4 years?  I'd bet the majority have not.

How many have worked for the same boss for 4 years and not been pissed at them at least once?

[london_bills]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Wait what?  Who where and when?

 

Link?

I think the poster is referring to what Daboll said in his latest interview on GMF..

 

when asked about drawing a comparison between Daniel Jones and Josh Allen, Daboll said he thought it was unfair and  'It took a village to help Josh'.

 

They were looking to cause a reaction I'm sure.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'd just like to point out here that all year, Ken Dorsey had the title "passing game coordinator".  So maybe it's not a good thing he got promoted to OC.

Good point 

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Who'd he drive off so far?

 

McD is intense. That’s what it takes to be great. I’m sure that can be uncomfortable at times. I kind of like it if people are held to high expectations and don’t feel TOO comfortable in their positions. 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

Just now, billsherd said:

Who is trash talking Josh?

 

Daboll had an interview the other day on Good Morning Football. I heard the interview when it happened. I thought nothing of it. Some people here want to raise pitchforks and read into things.

 

Daboll was asked about Daniel Jones in comparison to Allen. In short it sounded like he wants to see what Jones has, that he has some similarities to Josh and that 'it took a village to improve Josh.' All of that is true.

 

Matt Barkley/ Jordan Palmer/ Ken Dorsey/ Brian Daboll and most importantly Josh Allen all helped Josh get to where he is.

 

I took it to mean Jones is raw and will need help from a number of people to tap his potential. Much ado about nothing, and people reading into things in a weird day and rough start to the offseason for the Bills and the NFL.

[Thurman#1]

40 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Flores was a token because he was black….found out about…and is pissed….Daboll was already hired….there was no knocking it out of the park….It was come be interviewed because you are black with no chance to get the job so we can check the hR box

 

 

Unless you're the GM, what you have here is a guess, and one that doesn't make much sense. There are a bunch of cases, Tomlin at Pittsburgh for one, where the team was zeroed in on one guy, but brought in another guy for an interview, including some Rooney Rule interviews and some not, and the new guy blew them away and got the job. It happens. It's a possibility at every interview, including interviews where there's zero expectation of success.

 

Another one happened in a case where Daboll was expected to be hired. As Hapless pointed out above, Daboll thought he had the job with the Chargers last year. They thought he had it too. But they'd scheduled Staley for an interview, and he knocked their socks off.

 

It's far from the commonest outcome, but it happens.

 

 

13 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

We get it.  You dont think there is any racism in the NFL or corporate America.  I mean how many posts is that about what a nut job Flores is now? 

 

 

 

 

This might not be the most sad and pathetic strawman I've ever seen on these boards. On the other hand, it might.

 

You know up there where you said "We get it"? Based on this post, you very clearly don't. Because your attempt to sum up his point was so far off-point as to end up saying far more about you than it did about him.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

7 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Daboll had an interview the other day on Good Morning Football. I heard the interview when it happened. I thought nothing of it. Some people here want to raise pitchforks and read into things.

 

Daboll was asked about Daniel Jones in comparison to Allen. In short it sounded like he wants to see what Jones has, that he has some similarities to Josh and that 'it took a village to improve Josh.' All of that is true.

 

Matt Barkley/ Jordan Palmer/ Ken Dorsey/ Brian Daboll and most importantly Josh Allen all helped Josh get to where he is.

 

I took it to mean Jones is raw and will need help from a number of people to tap his potential. Much ado about nothing, and people reading into things in a weird day and rough start to the offseason for the Bills and the NFL.

 

 

Makes sense.

[PolishPrince]

8 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Daboll had an interview the other day on Good Morning Football. I heard the interview when it happened. I thought nothing of it. Some people here want to raise pitchforks and read into things.

 

Daboll was asked about Daniel Jones in comparison to Allen. In short it sounded like he wants to see what Jones has, that he has some similarities to Josh and that 'it took a village to improve Josh.' All of that is true.

 

Matt Barkley/ Jordan Palmer/ Ken Dorsey/ Brian Daboll and most importantly Josh Allen all helped Josh get to where he is.

 

I took it to mean Jones is raw and will need help from a number of people to tap his potential. Much ado about nothing, and people reading into things in a weird day and rough start to the offseason for the Bills and the NFL.

I actually took it more as Daboll not trying to take all the credit for Josh, essentially saying its not like it was just his doing. Either way I agree people are blowing it way out of proportion 

[Beast]

Maybe true, maybe not.

 

Coaches not seeing eye to eye in any sport is not at all shocking.

[wppete]

11 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Unless you're the GM, what you have here is a guess, and one that doesn't make much sense. There are a bunch of cases, Tomlin at Pittsburgh for one, where the team was zeroed in on one guy, but brought in another guy for an interview, including some Rooney Rule interviews and some not, and the new guy blew them away and got the job. It happens. It's a possibility at every interview, including interviews where there's zero expectation of success.

 

It's far from the commonest outcome, but it happens.

 

 

 

 

This might not be the most sad and pathetic strawman I've ever seen on these boards. On the other hand, it might.

 

You know up there where you said "We get it"? Based on this post, you very clearly don't. Because your attempt to sum up his point was so far off-point as to end up saying far more about you than it did about him.

Very well said. Complete straw man. 

[JoeF]

It was so much better when we missed the playoffs for 19 years in row.  Never forget the good times.  McD walks on frigging water in my mind.  Thank you for:  1) Agreeing to become our coach 2) Selling the GM job to Brandon Beane 3) Never backing down from publicly stating the "Bills Buck Stops with you"

 

Dearly love this man and very, very happy he is our coach.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

McD was a mediocre DC before he got here. You really never know

 

And Daboll was less than mediocre in his 3 prior OC stints.  McD OTOH got the Bills to the playoffs his first season in Buffalo, despite getting rid of the more talented players and everyone thinking they were tanking.

 

And so what if Daboll had a problem with McD?  He's gone now.  Problem solved.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

6 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

I actually took it more as Daboll not trying to take all the credit for Josh, essentially saying its not like it was just his doing. Either way I agree people are blowing it way out of proportion 

 

Oh certainly a legitimate reaction. Makes sense to me too. Certainly Daboll was not taking a dig at Allen or the Bills.