london_bills Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said: He is a winning, no nonsense coach. I think he would be great for a young team like Jax. The problem is he's terrible with the media and he will get up in the faces of his bosses and ownership if he thinks they're not helping him win. Sad situation. You are right that Flores would fit Jax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: Still Flores word against Ross and unproven Until emails or texts leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: So with all this going on, what happens to the QB, let's call him "Dom Trady" that accepted a meeting with an NFL owner and HC during a time period where there was suppose to be no interaction between them other than through their agent? Wasn't it Watson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I’m sure the Nfl is full of dark secrets. But the Nfl and Owners have so much power and influence they can bury what they what. Make you believe what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I’ve been kind of ambivalent on the Rooney rule. I like the idea that the NFL nudged teams toward considering minority candidates seriously, but obviously with the way the NFL is today the intent of the Rooney rule - the “once you interview the guy you may be wowed by him and set aside your previous plan” - is more than a bit naive. Flores is obviously going to throw as many embarrassing details out there as he can. He’s got a lawsuit he wants to win and a righteous point he wants to make. The NFL is weirdly backsliding on minority hires now while other leagues go in the opposite direction. But having said that, the Broncos/Elway allegations strike me as a little unfair. After all, they had just given Vance Joseph a chance as one of the very few black head coaches. And if I remember correctly, Joseph was considered the leading candidate all along while the Broncs conducted interviews with other candidates who didn’t stand a reasonable chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, Warcodered said: Wasn't it Watson? I don't know. Nothing has really cleared it up who it was. Hence the fake name. Did you think I meant someone else?😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: I’m sure the Nfl is full of dark secrets. But the Nfl and Owners have so much power and influence they can bury what they what. Make you believe what you will. Yeah the Owners didn’t want Ross in their circle to begin with. watch Ross will be the fallout from this. Just like Gruden was for the WFT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Wow this offseason already getting great, cant wait for more to come out. If Flores is wrong, his is done in the NFL. If Flores is right, he's done in the NFL. How did that lawsuit go as far as getting Kaepernick another shot? 2 hours ago, WMDman said: wow terrible look for the NFL Terrible look for Flores. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Ya hate to see bad publicity for the Dolphins This tuna is not dolphin free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I amended my previous statement based on that. It might come down to who a jury believes ... did Ross really offer $100K per game to throw them and then try and tamper with Brady ? Or will the jury hear that Flores is a disgruntled coach who was fired after a 9-8 season and didn't support the franchise QB ? Ross has deep pockets ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Flores will never coach again in NFL. He’s basically lighting himself on fire. Ross can now sit back and tell everybody ‘I told you so.’ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: This tuna is not dolphin free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Flores would never go to bat if he didn't think he had the receipts. This is going to be NICE. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 What was the knock on Flores in Miami? He didn't handle people well. Duly noted. Belichick congratulated him for getting a job then goes "OOPS! I thought you were Brian Daboll!" Elway and another Broncos executive come staggering into an interview over an hour late hungover. Dolphins owner offers 100K bonus per loss to tank the season IF he bent any of that in any way it just reinforces that he has some serious issues with professional relationships. His punishment? Coaching the Texans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Probably why he's drafted so many hosts recently. Forgot to select all columns when sorting his excel spreadsheet of prospects. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Warcodered said: because this isn't just about Florez. We’re going to get dangerously close into politics so I’ll leave it at this, I don’t believe that black people are not inferior in any way, I also don’t think there are people out to keep them from coaching. The Rooney rule is ridiculous to me for that reason. Treat them like your equals not inferiors. Edited February 1, 2022 by HamSandwhich 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: It might come down to who a jury believes ... did Ross really offer $100K per game to throw them and then try and tamper with Brady ? Or will the jury hear that Flores is a disgruntled coach who was fired after a 9-8 season and didn't support the franchise QB ? Ross has deep pockets ... This is going to get very, very ugly. You know Florio is in heaven with this news. Anything bad for the league he revels in. 28 minutes ago, papazoid said: he's got something there with the dolphins owners only.....a hostile work enviroment.....(but not based on race).....he can say he was canned for not playing along to intentionally lose and/or perform illegal activities How is it illegal to lose on purpose? Could be argued that it's strategic, because the purpose is a huge gain in the draft ad therefore a greater chance of winning big in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Quote @jjones9 Stephen Ross was reported in Nov. 2019 to have invested into a sports gambling startup as part of a $17.5M fundraising round. gamblingnews.com/news/nfls-owne… If an NFL team owner is investing in sports gambling while incentivizing his head coach to lose games, that's a gigantic issue. 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said: Flores would never go to bat if he didn't think he had the receipts. This is going to be NICE. It happens all the time. People throw FUD up all over and hope the other side gets nervous or wants to be done with it enough to settle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Flores going scorched earth. I would first like to compliment him on his absolutely perfect timing of dropping this bomb at the beginning of the two week run up to the Super Bowl 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Flores is dragging a lot of people into this and airing a lot of dirty laundry and personal communications. No bueno for his career going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: We’re going to get dangerously close into politics so I’ll leave it at this, I don’t believe that black people are inferior in any way, I also don’t think there are people out to keep them from coaching. The Rooney rule is ridiculous to me for that reason. Treat them like your equals not inferiors. So don't get into politics and make it about the NFL and the rules they put in place. That's all fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 This is absolutely amazing! Everyone is racists 😂. Fire me you are racist! You guys don’t hire me you are all racists! Amazing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: I'm assuming he's done in the NFL regardless with this. No he's not done I'm expecting him back in new england or heading to Vegas with McDaniels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, QCity said: Flores going scorched earth. I would first like to compliment him on his absolutely perfect timing of dropping this bomb at the beginning of the two week run up to the Super Bowl And right after Brady officially retired. TOM BRADY RETIRES 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 18 pages of the same tropes being repeated. Sometimes internet commentary sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Frazier was already interviewed, and the event dates don't appear to line up for Flores. I don't see this going very far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I would have to imagine the allegations against Ross are true. Pretty damning and I would suspect a full blown investigation. Flores strikes me as an honest straight shooter. With that said, he is burning bridges along the way and without doubt he is limiting his opportunities. He’s entangling a number of other people in this ordeal and I cannot imagine that there are quite a few influential people who are unhappy with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, boater said: 18 pages of the same tropes being repeated. Sometimes internet commentary sucks. 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Probably Bill Belichicks net lol oops I caught a dolphin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 So while rightfully ticked .. this is not about race. It is about the thing that drives hirings in the NFL .. personal relationships. Mara may well have been interested in Flores on January 11, but then he hired his GM .. the GM did what seemingly most new GMs do .. they bring in somebody they know who they feel they can work with. I have seen this in the workplace .. we are going to hire Sally but we need to interview 3 candidates to satisfy a rule by HR, so two people get interviewed when the hiring manager has no intention of offering them the job. The NFL does have a nepotism / friend problem, how many Ryan's, Shanahan's, Shula's, Belichick's, Reid's ... have gotten into coaching and then their friends, who are in their circles (and friend groups often look like the person) get opportunities .... so I am not saying that black coaches have a harder time .. they do, but not because of their skin .. but because of the relationships. This I suspect will change over time and the Rooney rule I think has helped Bottom-line the owner of the Dolphins didn't fire Flores because of his skin color, he fired him because the relationship wasn't working for the owner and he had an under .500 winning percentage over three years (I am just guessing if he had taken the team to the playoffs this year .. he would still be the coach). The Giants didn't hire Daboll because he is white and Flores is black.. they hired Daboll because Schoen was comfortable with him based on their working relationship .. and they were only going to interview Flores to avoid a penalty from the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Flores is dragging a lot of people into this and airing a lot of dirty laundry and personal communications. No bueno for his career going forward. Makes me wonder if Flores was already blacklisted prior to the lawsuit ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 There have been reports that patriots coach was going back to New York to become their GM. Was coach pissed when Shoen got the GM job? I would like to see the start of the texting stream , did Pats coach have an open line of communication with Flores? Divisional rival head coach ?? Likely not. I can believe that he had open communication with Daboll since he was previously on his staff then got him the job with his coaching buddy at Alabama. I just can’t believe that the texts were sent by mistake. Pats coach sent texts knowing full well who he sent them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: this is cringey. Makes you feel bad Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: People make terrible hiring decision all the time, just look at Adam Gase with the Jets. Or Rex Ryan in Buffalo 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Check out KC’s roster. You think Ruggs will never see an NFL field again even after that poor woman lost her life in an inferno ? He might be in prison until after his career would have been over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 In the category of being able to hold two seemingly conflicting opinions in my mind at the same time: - the Rooney Rule isn’t working. In a world (that of NFL coaches) where everyone knows everything about every coaching candidate, the rule is just wasting the time of a lot of minority candidates. I see why Flores is angry. - the NFL has a big problem with not affording opportunities to minority coaches. In a league where almost 60 percent of players are black we have exactly one black head coach? We seem to be developing a strong bench of NFL assistants; what’s keeping them from being promoted? A little legally compelled soul searching here wouldn’t be the worst outcome of this lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 This should be a good discussion about billionaire owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 That $100K incentive per loss is amazing. They should lose the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, Beast said: Are you missing the whole offering him 100K for each loss? If that's true, Flores is not going to lose his case. No way, no how. I guess I am unclear on the specifics of his case. Offering him money to lose is terrible. But is it evidence of racial discrimination or just terrible behavior by Ross? Like, is there reason to believe he would not have offered $100k/loss to (insert white coach)? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I was just watching ESPN (sorry) and it's interesting that every person on the panel, despite knowing not knowing all the details yet (and not being sure which of the ones they do know are true or false) are already painting Flores as a crusader who is standing up for what is right and what is good. I mean, can we hear some of the facts first before we decide that? And then we have Dan Orlofsky doing his best "I'm not racist! I'm great buddies with Marcus Spears! Tell 'em, Marcus!" Really interesting to see how people react to these stories 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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